Posts made by royalcrown89

@sutieday:

I'm a Classical liberal, and I dislike anyone being violent or aggressive towards another person.

I will say that assuming all liberals are the same is being bigoted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal

You're right generalizations are wrong, but my brother's Facebook wasn't disabled as a result of individuals. People a part of an anti-free speech group reported him multiple times because he made a post condemning BLM. I support some elements of BLM but I also believe they should be criticized for some of their actions, especially their disgusting attacks on anyone trying to end black on black violence. Not trying to derail, but the left is out of control when it comes to free speech.

@sutieday:

Well…. Whatever! Trump will be exposed one day!

What do you think he did and why do you believe he'll be exposed for it?

Speaking as a liberal, I condemn this disgusting behavior, I've been condemning it and I will continue to condemn it. It is one-sided in that many on the left are not condemning these acts. Recently when the Republican candidate in Montana's special election slammed a reporter, there was condemnation from all sides and he apologized. Yet, the left goes silent when a building is set on fire to stop free speech and no apologies have been given to those who were silenced by violent means. I agree, the silence is truly deafening and I don't care how many down votes I get, I'll keep speaking out because I've seen how one-sided this is literally everywhere; on social media and in public.

Can we all at least be happy and civil about this now proven fact? Can we all agree that after today, it is a known fact that our president isn't under investigation? Both sides and moderates can agree with that without bringing up irrelevant points or childish name calling. :cheers:

I never said I was from day 1 someone trying to bring civility to this forum. Carefully read my original post in this very thread and show me where I proclaimed, "I am the epitome of civil posters." Yes, I have not always remained civil but that is not the point of this thread. The point of this thread is that we all make an attempt to do better starting now and moving forward. We don't have to treat each other with massive respect or simply ignore each other all the time, but it is important to frame your arguments and state your position clearly. You can frame your argument and state your position without childish name calling or bringing in wholly irrelevant factors to deflect and/or derail.

If I offended raphjd or anyone else, I do apologize. I've stated to raphjd that I agree with him many times on the issue of immigration and I sympathize with the reason why he's been living in the UK. I've stated that I agree with Frederick many times that Facebook's punishment of free speech is a very, very real thing because I have seen it first hand. The same with Youtube. I've also criticized the left's suppression of free speech, particularly on college campuses. There are acts of violence being committed by those on the left to keep people from speaking and the same isn't happening on the right, and I've gotten down voted for speaking on that truth. My point: I have been willing to agree with people on here and I have been attempting to be more civil, I can't say the same for others.

@raphjd:

You are a liar because you claim to want civility, but attack me.

If I, or another conservative, did that to a liberal, the site would be broken from you guys smashing the hell out of the REPORT button.

I noticed you didn't go into the John Lewis conversation, where I pointed out recent 2 proven lies by him and you went bat shit crazy claiming I hate black people because of it.

You and your leftist friends are thread Nazis who think they control each and every topic.   We're only allowed to talk about Obama and Hillary if it's in worshipping tones.

Questioning if you are a liar is not attacking you. You directly called me a liar on multiple occasions. Are those also attacks? Also, when have I reported YOU? Name the time and show the report. I'm waiting.

I've only objected to bringing up Hillary and Obama when a post has absolutely nothing to do with them, but if you want to bring them into a discussion that has nothing to do with them, I'll continue to point out the irrelevance as I've always done. I've never said, "stop talking about Hillary or President Obama if you have nothing nice to say about them." "Thread Nazi," is another attack. Got any more?

Relating to the John Lewis situation, the only thing I repeatedly posted was his legacy and how his legacy was related to the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. I specifically stated that I personally disagreed with him saying #45 was illegitimate. I can actually copy and post where I said I disagreed with him questioning #45's legitimacy as president. I stated I believed #45 was elected legitimately and is our president, I have always held that belief and made it known. All I said was John Lewis has a legacy and so does Dr. King and those legacies are related and I support those legacies. I asked you did you agree on the importance of those legacies and as usual, you deflected and derailed; leaving me to believe you do not view the advancement of people of color as important in America; therefore, you left me no choice but to question if you are indeed a racist and/or white supremacist.

@strangeloop:

@royalcrown89:

Did you or did you not say this in another post, "Maxine Waters makes black people look bad,"?  So I ask you again, who is the real liar here?

Maxine Waters makes black people look bad is not a statement of fact, but an opinion.  So saying that he is "the real liar" is not only a personal attack, but also wrong.  Do we really need to spam the forum with all the articles generalizing Trump supporters?  Because you KNOW those bigoted articles exist and are 100% serious, whereas what raphjd said was just a quip.  So what you're saying is also hypocritical, because again, you're only calling out one side.

It is a disgusting generalization and it was said to derail an argument. He called me a liar and a partisan hack, yet I'm in the wrong for asking if he's the liar? How dare you ignore him calling me a liar and act as if I questioned if he is a liar without a reason as a "personal attack?" Posting articles, with the links I may add, is not spamming. If the topics of said articles had nothing to do with politics, then they should be considered spam or should be moved to another thread. This will be my last response to you because I'm not discussing civility with someone who is clearly ignoring certain posts while claiming I'm the only one hurling attacks. Goodbye.

@strangeloop:

Call out your own side too, because honestly they're not going to listen to us conservatives.

My post is for everyone, not just conservative posters. I used raphjd as an example because he has been deflecting and derailing multiple discussions instead of framing an argument on the discussion at hand. And I wholly disagree with you on posting an article title and quotes from an article without stating a personal claim on said title and/or quotes. What is wrong with someone posting an article from a reputable source and only putting it there to start a debate, not to flame people, but to start a debate on the actual article? Why not discuss the merits of that article? Why not make an attempt to prove the article wrong? If a professor prompts the class on a topic, your first response shouldn't be, "this topic is stupid in my opinion; therefore, I want the topic dead."

And you want to talk to me about toxicity when 3 of the same members have been constantly day-to-day downgrading my reputation for the past 2-3 weeks straight? I can see who has been downgrading my reputation on here and it is the same 3 users, 1 of which I clearly pointed out in this thread: https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=48241.0 As a result, I've went from having a reputation of 11 to one of -3. That is unfair, especially given that I haven't constantly been giving negative reputation responses to them the way they have to me.

@raphjd:

@royalcrown89:

This is the Politics & Debate thread; therefore, if someone posts a news article or quotes from a news article, why not frame an argument against what the article says or begin a debate about the facts or false assumptions of the article? In my opinion, the only "low quality shit posts" are the ones where childish insults are thrown or massive generalizations are made such as "[certain person] makes all [certain group of people] look bad." This isn't about being politically correct, it's about being civil adults. Someone on here kept saying I deemed everything I didn't agree with as irrational and that simply wasn't the case. I deemed specific arguments irrational only after making my argument why I believed they were irrational, not by simply stating they were irrational just because or only because I disagreed. Instead of forming their argument to counter mine, they just claimed I call everything I disagree with irrational, and then they proceed to flame other posts of mine with irrelevant points that are clearly meant to derail and deflect. If you do not know how to be civil then you should rethink participating in this thread, simple as that. How can we expect to debate when one side is being extremely childish?

See, you had a point for a second there, then you went on the attack.     Now I see you as a liar, who is only pandering to your fellow liberals.   You are just a partisan hack.

An attack or the truth? Did you or did you not say this in another post, "Maxine Waters makes black people look bad,"? You have repeatedly made disgusting generalizations like this and I have had to tell you on more than one occasion that Maxine Waters does not speak for me and I am black. She does not represent me because I do not live in her district. You cannot say someone speaks for an entire group of people just because you "feel" like that person thinks they represent an entire group of people. I do not make posts saying David Duke represents all white people because HE DOES NOT. He doesn't even represent a significant number of white people because white supremacists are a tiny, tiny extremely small fraction of the population. No white person represents all white people. How am I a liar when there are no posts on here of me ever saying, " represents all white people?" There's plenty of evidence of you saying Don Lemon, Maxine Waters, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and a whole host of other black people represent every single black person. So I ask you again, who is the real liar here?

@strangeloop:

@royalcrown89:

This is the Politics & Debate thread; therefore, if someone posts a news article or quotes from a news article, why not frame an argument against what the article says or begin a debate about the facts or false assumptions of the article?

Why not the original poster frame an argument?  You're requiring that people responding come up with an argument, when the original poster didn't even do that?  Ludicrous.

This thread is about the lack of civility, not me making an argument for a certain position. Where in my original post did I make a political statement that needed an argument to back up the statement? I have made plenty of threads on here–-the non-satirical ones---that made a claim and I backed up my claim with an argument filled with logical reasoning, not gut-feeling or name-calling or just stating, "You're wrong because I disagree." This entire forum is becoming toxic and it seems like there isn't an honest effort to bring some civility to it.

This is the Politics & Debate thread; therefore, if someone posts a news article or quotes from a news article, why not frame an argument against what the article says or begin a debate about the facts or false assumptions of the article? In my opinion, the only "low quality shit posts" are the ones where childish insults are thrown or massive generalizations are made such as "[certain person] makes all [certain group of people] look bad." This isn't about being politically correct, it's about being civil adults. Someone on here kept saying I deemed everything I didn't agree with as irrational and that simply wasn't the case. I deemed specific arguments irrational only after making my argument why I believed they were irrational, not by simply stating they were irrational just because or only because I disagreed. Instead of forming their argument to counter mine, they just claimed I call everything I disagree with irrational, and then they proceed to flame other posts of mine with irrelevant points that are clearly meant to derail and deflect. If you do not know how to be civil then you should rethink participating in this thread, simple as that. How can we expect to debate when one side is being extremely childish?

Can we please discuss politics and debate in this forum without so much name calling? This has seriously gotten ridiculous. I understand in terms of satire (such as my signatures) some name calling is fine, but this constant childishness is uncalled for. The deflection has also gotten worse on here. What happened to making an argument and then defending your position without constant deflection and childish name calling? We're adults here, not high school teens (or middle school pre-teens in some of your cases). Also ***tard and other variations have been banned, yet I'm still seeing it posted in threads. Why is that?

It looks like someone finally got through to #45 and made it clear how damaging it would've looked had he used executive privilege to block James Comey from speaking to the Senate publicly. Thursday is going to be crazy because we'll finally learn the truth behind Comeygate. I have a feeling we're in for a big surprise.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-won-t-use-executive-privilege-stop-comey-testimony-n768431

It's really sad how my first interaction with you, Frederick, was in this thread and in support of you and your right to be able to say what you wanted on Facebook without them disabling you and now you've stooped down to constantly downgrading my reputation on here. I've seen the multiple hits you made to my reputation and it's just sad that you would constantly do that day after day. Even mhorndisk and raphjd only did it once, but not you. I'm attaching proof that you have been constantly downgrading my reputation while I have only did the same to you a total of 2 times as opposed to your whopping 8 times against me within the last 2 weeks. You're pathetic.

Even though you've become very childish, I still believe Facebook is wrong for what it did to you and that it is very one-sided. I have black and white friends who only said they disagree with BLM and have had their profiles removed, yet there are black people who clearly state they hate white people and their profiles cannot be removed. I'm an adult and even though you've been very unfair to me on here constantly, I can still say you're right and you should take legal action against Facebook. This will be the final time I address you though because I just wanted to prove my point with screenshots to back me up.

His support will continue to drop among key supporters if he doesn't learn how to control his messaging. If people need to be fired then they need to be fired. The self-inflicted wounds need to stop. I believe he's already done enough damage to himself to ruin his presidency, but there are plenty of ways out of the downward spiral he's been on since taking office. Fixing his problem with the military communities is actually quite simple: be an effective commander-in-chief by showing you're willing to take diplomatic approaches over starting wars, fix the VA like you promised, and work with companies more to provide better economic opportunities for veterans. Those 77,000 people spread across Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan who elected him voted for the things he promised, not incoherent/incompetent tweets.

Mariah to this day still has the longest running #1 hit on the Billboard Hot 100 with Boyz II Men, "One Sweet Day." 16 weeks! Until that incredible feat is knocked down, she shall remain Queen. Even after the record is knocked down, she'll still down in history for said record, something a lot of other artists don't have.

Beyond that, she is a diva and it has hurt her many times. I'm sure we all remember her feud with Whitney Houston that cost her dearly. One year she sat out in the Grammy audience and didn't receive a single award, partly due to her shading Whitney. Glad she made up with Whitney in '99 and did that song with her because they were ready to shut Mariah out forever over that mess lol.

Christina has always had more talent and the better voice, Britney has always had the better pop star appeal and relevancy. I hate comparing them because they are both great at what they do and are both iconic.

Lady Gaga definitely. Artistically, vocally and musically (literally being a musician) she's superior to Madonna. Madonna only has longevity and discography advantages, which can both be knocked down by Gaga overtime. I also have a feeling that the A Star is Born remake is going to further show off Gaga's acting skills. Both her and Madonna have Golden Globes but I have a feeling Gaga will win the Oscar, something Madonna doesn't have  :cheers:

@sutieday:

I remember when #45 tweeted that he had "tapes" of conversations between them, I wonder what they talked about?

The only way we will know anything is if Comey is allowed to testify. He could potentially put a lot of unknown things into context. He could very well help #45 by showing he never noticed any evidence of collusion or any wrongdoing. Comey needs to testify or it will only start more questions. He's been cleared by Mueller, so he should be allowed to testify in front of America. Can you imagine how damaging it would be with so many people now paying attention for #45 to use executive privilege to block someone who wants to testify under oath on live TV? We'd soon be asking how low can those approval ratings go because no one will be able to spin that level of obstruction.

Pulling out of this agreement has further pissed off the Germans, who have invested over $1 billion in my state for the BMW plant here in South Carolina. He's also made other negative statements about countries that have invested in our country and have been providing jobs for people here. If the Germans decide to pull their support and their investments in our country because of this and other bad actions by our president, my state is going to lose those important investments. That plant employs a lot of people here and is a plus for this state's economy. The South Carolina Republican Party, as well as the Georgia Republican Party, are meeting with their members this weekend to determine whether or not to continue to support this president because he is driving Southern states who voted for him toward recessions in incoming years.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2017/06/02/trump-trade-remarks-germany-draw-confusion-red-state-sc/358504001/

"America 1st?" More like America bankrupt just like his raggedy businesses.