Posts made by royalcrown89

@sutieday:

@royalcrown89:

For some reason, this site isn't letting me report you anymore (possibly raphjd's bias) but I'd wish you would give it 24 hours before you politicize the assassination attempt on Steve Scalise's life. This is not the time for disgusting political statements when people's lives are in critical condition as a result of this morning's shooting. Tomorrow, post all the mean-spirited disgusting posts you want but please not today. There needs to be a higher level of civility following such a tragic day.

royalcrown89, you're expecting Frederick, an alt-right person, to be a decent human being; This is just not possible. The truth is the alt-right is desperate for anything they can use to attack their opponents, they don't care about this attack, only that they can use it as a political tool for their agenda.

I've talked to him privately on here and was hoping he wouldn't go down this route, specifically after I and others asked for at least 24 hours of not using this for political attacks. If we can't get through 24 hours then the civility in this forum truly is dead and someone would have to make the argument for getting rid of the forum all-together. It should not be this hard to be civil over a real assassination attempt.

@Frederick:

@sutieday:

@pppucci:

Things get heated in this forum, and there as been much name-calling.  Today's shooting at the Republican baseball practice should remind us all that we are all Americans first.  As Speaker Ryan said, "An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us."  I encourage every poster and lurker in this forum to donate to the Congressional Baseball Charity in celebration of our unity.

https://www.facebook.com/CongressionalBaseball/
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I agree, we all need to come together after a terror attack and not be divisive. ANY extremist group (Far-Right or Far-Left) should be denounced.

I won't hold my breath waiting for the far-left to denounce anything.  One example I'm thinking of involves CNN's Don Lemon who absolutely refuses to call anybody a terrorist.

Frederick, please do not bring political comments into this yet. We're trying to display a higher level of civility today. Can you not wait 24 hours?

For some reason, this site isn't letting me report you anymore (possibly raphjd's bias) but I'd wish you would give it 24 hours before you politicize the assassination attempt on Steve Scalise's life. This is not the time for disgusting political statements when people's lives are in critical condition as a result of this morning's shooting. Tomorrow, post all the mean-spirited disgusting posts you want but please not today. There needs to be a higher level of civility following such a tragic day.

Can we please not politicize this for at least 24 hours? Can we for once show that we in this forum are above the disgusting low level of civility most of the country and world is in currently? A Congressman was nearly assassinated today and no matter what party he's a part of, we should be wholly against the assassinations of people. We are better than this. Any post I see–-left or right---trying to politicize what happened today (until tomorrow morning) I will report to the admin of this forum. Now is not the time to score political points off the backs of people who were shot today. Thank you.

(1) No one has yet explained why Republicans have called Democrats "obstructionists" when Democrats do not have any majorities or significant numbers to be obstructionists. One person explained that for major legislation, 60 votes are still needed. Fine. What about for other things?

(2) If Republicans truly believed there was no Russia collusion or that Russians didn't make attempts to mess with our democracy at all, why did they open investigations in the House and Senate? Republicans control the committees and subcommittees in Congress; therefore, they have the power to ignore anything and everything Democrats say. Why were investigations started by them and why are people on here blaming Democrats being "upset" with #45's win as the reason for the investigations? Democrats did not open those investigations because they do not have the power to. Can anyone explain why you blame Democrats when it was the Republican leadership that began the investigations?

@sutieday:

@raphjd:

She should be sent to Saudi so they can "corrective rape" her, then stone her to death.    I mean, it's the best thing for her, since it's islam.

Disgusting that we can have comments like this in a politics & debate forum, and that it can receive so many upvotes.

Yep, and that's why the forum posts have been removed from the home page of this site.

I need some help understanding this point. Republicans control all of Congress. They decide what gets put on the floor for a vote in both the House and Senate. They control who gets appointed to committees and subcommittees. They have more than enough numbers without needing Democrats to pass anything and everything they want. They also decide when and when not to open an investigation into something. Republicans opened the investigations into Russia's involvement in the 2016 Presidential election, right? If they disagreed with all of our intelligence agencies, they would not have begun those investigations, right?

I keep seeing so many on here blaming Democrats as if Democrats have the majorities in Congress and have any power to begin anything. How are the Russian involvement investigations "Democrats attacking the president because he beat Hillary" a rational argument when it was Republicans who began the investigations through committees they wholly control? The same goes for supposed obstruction. How can you obstruct when you do not have the numbers to obstruct? President Obama was obstructed because Republicans had the numbers to obstruct him, with some of them (specifically Mitch McConnell) declaring they were going to obstruct Obama no matter what. Can the same truly be done to #45 by Democrats if they do not hold any power in Congress? The "blame Democrats" argument makes zero sense. Or am I looking at this wrong?

@magentas:

Two, is the right to criticize other religions. I, and Bernie ,can look at the things you believe in and state our own opinions about them. We do not have to apologize simply because you disagree.

That has nothing to do with my point. He not only criticized Christians, he called Christians "islamophobic" for being Christian.

@magentas:

Many Christians, I assume not you since you are here, believe all us gay folk are going to hell for grabbing cocks instead of grabbing pussies. Their beliefs are homophobic. They have every right to be homophobic, but they ARE homophobic.

Yes, most religions believe everyone else on the planet is going to be punished in some way, and only their religious people will be saved/enlightened/abducted/whatever.

That does not make it not bigoted.

I have no idea what you're talking about here, I know that many religions have elements of bigotry in them, including homophobia. THAT DOES NOT MAKE ALL THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW THOSE RELIGIONS BIGOTS AND HOMOPHOBES. That is the dumbest argument and I'm surprised you would suggest something like that. I am not a Christian because of every single word in the Bible, I am a Christian because I believe in Jesus and I've always relied on my faith to get through hard times. Bernie screwed up the moment he tied Christianity to being islamophobic. You NEVER make a broad generalization like that because I am not islamophobic and I am a Christian. Yes, he needs to apologize and if he doesn't, this will define him forever. I can promise you that. I am deeply offended by this and like I've said before, I didn't have much of an opinion of Bernie before this. Now, I see why there was resistance to him and I wish I was more active in that resistance. He needs to stay the hell out of the Democratic Party and more Democrats need to call him out on this.

@magentas:

@royalcrown89:

The overwhelming majority of Christians believe that Jesus is the only savior and believe in Hell; therefore, Bernie just called the overwhelming majority of Christians "islamophobes." I am a Christian and I am not an "islamophobe," Bernie.

You are confusing completely different topics.

FIrst, is freedom of religion. You are free to believe whatever hateful thing you want to believe, and Bernie never said otherwise.

Two, is the right to criticize other religions. I, and Bernie ,can look at the things you believe in and state our own opinions about them. We do not have to apologize simply because you disagree.

Three, and this is the big one- you think "Freedom of Religion" automatically makes all beliefs no longer bigoted. That is just not true.

Mormons used to believe that black people could not be in the priesthood, so when they die they don't get their very own planet like white people do. That IS racist. They are free to believe that racist crap, but it IS racist crap.

Many Christians, I assume not you since you are here, believe all us gay folk are going to hell for grabbing cocks instead of grabbing pussies. Their beliefs are homophobic. They have every right to be homophobic, but they ARE homophobic.

Yes, most religions believe everyone else on the planet is going to be punished in some way, and only their religious people will be saved/enlightened/abducted/whatever.

That does not make it not bigoted.

All of what you said is irrelevant because Bernie isn't just stating his belief, he used it as a reason to make an attempt to block someone from getting a position in the White House. That's a religious test and it's wrong no matter how you slice it. He should apologize for making a broad generalization. We do not have religious tests in this country. I wholeheartedly disagree with every single thing Russell Vought stands for and what he did at that Christian school is just plain wrong, but Bernie is ridiculous if he thinks someone should be blocked from a position for simply being a Christian and believing what's in the Bible. The whole thing should not have come up for someone who is up for a deputy budget director job anyway. What was his goal? To shame Christian Republicans for being "immoral" as he always puts it? Bernie's 15 minutes of fame are up and he's now an old tired joke that just isn't funny anymore.

@strangeloop:

@royalcrown89:

Therefore, it's only me condemning bad behavior on the left and absolutely no one but fellow liberals condemning bad behavior on the right. That has to change or we can't even start to reach common ground in this forum. It cannot be this one-sided.

It is literally only you condemning bad behavior on the left, from the left.  The majority of "your side" refuses to say anything.  Also, you've yet to say anything on Evergreen.  If you want "the right" to condemn something post a link here.

Nope, I've posted bad behavior from those on the right and there was ZERO condemnation by those on here who consider themselves conservative. Instead, I've seen either a doubling-down of the bad behavior or complete deflection from the topic. And at least I am condemning bad behavior by those on the left, even if it's just me. There are NO conservative or conservative-leaners on here that will do the same for bad behavior on the right.

Common ground is extremely difficult to achieve when people refuse to see other viewpoints. For example, I have condemned awful behavior on the left even though I am liberal. I have yet to see any condemnation by members here who are more right or center-right on awful behavior on the right. I've literally prompted people to see if they would condemn disgusting acts committed by people on the right and every single time there was zero condemnation. Therefore, it's only me condemning bad behavior on the left and absolutely no one but fellow liberals condemning bad behavior on the right. That has to change or we can't even start to reach common ground in this forum. It cannot be this one-sided.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/09/532116365/is-it-hateful-to-believe-in-hell-bernie-sanders-questions-prompt-backlash

What Bernie Sanders did to Russell Vought is deplorable. He called Vought "islamophobic" for believing that only Christians are guaranteed eternal life and that all else will go to hell. First of all, it's Vought's right to hold that belief. Second of all, that belief is not "islamophobic." The overwhelming majority of Christians believe that Jesus is the only savior and believe in Hell; therefore, Bernie just called the overwhelming majority of Christians "islamophobes." I am a Christian and I am not an "islamophobe," Bernie. Third, what the hell does Vought being a freaking Christian have to do with his nomination by our president to be the deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget? We do not have religious tests in this country and Bernie subjected Vought to a religious test. I already was never a supporter of Bernie but now I'm speaking out against him. He owes Russell Vought an apology and he owes an apology to Christians around the world.
I would like to have a civil debate on this without childish irrational comments or deflection/derailment because this is an important argument about religious hypocrisy on the left

I hope they are shut down. After the disgusting thing they did to Shirley Sherrod in 2010, they need to be shut down for good. They even admitted wrongdoing in that situation after the settlement.

@strangeloop:

@royalcrown89:

But seriously, he showed great restraint today given today's events. I and many others would actually like it if he showed this much restraint on a day-to-day basis because it looks more presidential than freaking out on Twitter over everything.

He is actually very "restrained" almost all of the time.  Go through the White House channel and pick literally any of his addresses to the American people.  They're all exceedingly restrained.  The only reason you think he's not "restrained" is because the media cherry picks and total non-stories and exaggerates everything.  "Covfefe" anyone?  Two scoops of ice cream anyone?

Yep, staying up all night and tweeting at 4 a.m. multiple times is showing restraint. Flipping out on reporters after being asked simple questions is showing restraint. Going on a mission to defame the FBI Director that you fired for conflicting reasons (especially with your own staff) is showing restraint.  :crap:

@strangeloop:

@royalcrown89:

I have always held the belief that his actions make him look guilty

Got it.  Feelz over realz.

More like my honest opinion which is not a fact. You're giving my comment a little too much credit. Just because I said it would make him look guiltier doesn't mean he is guilty or that every single person has that same viewpoint. Either way, he didn't use executive privilege and I made a subsequent thread (https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=50320.0) addressing the fact that he didn't use said privilege; therefore, you flaming this thread was wholly uncalled for. Goodbye.

@strangeloop:

@royalcrown89:

I never in this thread claimed the president himself was being investigated. Do you see otherwise?

Yes.

If the president does this, it will make him look guiltier.

Guiltier or what?  If he wasn't under investigation, as you say, how can he be guilty?

Saying that if he silenced Comey, it would make him look guiltier, doesn't mean he actually is guilty; just that his actions make him appear to be guilty of something. I have always held the belief that his actions make him look guilty; hence, why I always say he keeps making self-inflicted wounds on his administration. There is an appearance of guilt, but no guilt has been proven or even close to being proven at this time. I still didn't say he was under investigation. Notice I said make him look guiltier and not make him guiltier. Stop jumping to unfounded conclusions based off of you reading something wrong.

@aadam101:

Donald Trump is a man of faith.  Just ask any of his three wives, dozens of mistresses or many sexual assault victims.  They will all agree.

Now, now. Everyone knows adultery and lusting after one's own daughter is God's will  :cheers:

But seriously, he showed great restraint today given today's events. I and many others would actually like it if he showed this much restraint on a day-to-day basis because it looks more presidential than freaking out on Twitter over everything. The best way for him to beat these media-led scandals is to stay on message and show more restraint. Only he knows the truth; therefore, nothing others say or do should effect him to the point he gets on Twitter at 4 a.m. to ran about nonsense.

He does need to be prosecuted. Let him be an example of what happens when you attack reporters.

@strangeloop:

Royalcrown, now that Comey's testimony has come out, do you want to revisist your comments in this thread?

I posted a thread not long after this thread acknowledging that the president wasn't going to use executive privilege to stop Comey here: https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=50320.0 Other than that, no, I have nothing else to revisit. I clearly stated in this thread that the investigation was to see if there was possible collusion, which there hasn't been any proof of as of yet, and I never in this thread claimed the president himself was being investigated. Do you see otherwise?

It is possible that he is the subject of Mueller's investigation, but that's only a possibility. It should now be agreed upon by everyone that he was not under investigation by Comey. It still doesn't help that he fired Comey while Comey was indeed investigating his administration, but he himself wasn't being investigated.

What can shift this whole thing is if the president does shady things to either stop, derail or influence the special counselor's or Senate's investigations. If he truly has nothing to hide, he'll let the investigations go where they need to go.