Posts made by royalcrown89

@Frederick:

@royalcrown89:

It ain't over til it's over, but I think this may be the end. ObamaCare is most likely here to stay  :cheers:

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/342447-two-more-gop-senators-defect-on-healthcare-bill

There isn't much information.. but look at what I found on CNN just now:  "McConnell said in a statement late Monday that the Senate would vote in the coming days on a bill that would delay the repeal of Obamacare for two years"
My interpretation of that is the Senate would have to pass a bill to prevent the repeal of Obamacare for 2 years.  Is that your understanding also?   I can't imagine that any republican would vote to delay the repeal.  That would be political suicide.  Also, if that is a bill, Trump could veto it.. and Trump has said as recently as TODAY that he wants Obamacare repealed NOW - with the reasoning that once it is repealed, it will force democrats to cooperate on replacement healthcare legislation.

Nope. ACA has majority consensus approval and even when you call it ObamaCare, it still has majority approval. A repeal vote will satisfy the Republican base but will awaken a ton of people who otherwise checked out of politics recently. Something similar to this happened in 2006. People checked out and stayed away during the 2004 presidential election, Republicans had some significant missteps and a large number of people got pissed over those missteps and turned out in large numbers giving Democrats a sweeping victory. Repealing the ACA will no doubt awaken millions. Also, just the threat of taking away those Medicaid funds being used to help fight the opioid crisis in counties the president won is not a good look at all. Saying that there will be a delay also won't help them. All everyone will hear from Republicans and the president is, "I am going to take away what you currently have and replace it with nothing and I do not care that you are battling opioid addiction." Period.

Mitch McConnell just announced he will seek a full repeal of ObamaCare. I guess the Republicans do not care about getting reelected next year.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/two-more-health-care-defections-dooms-current-gop-bill-n783926

@Frederick:

@royalcrown89:

It ain't over til it's over, but I think this may be the end. ObamaCare is most likely here to stay  :cheers:

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/342447-two-more-gop-senators-defect-on-healthcare-bill

I personally think you may be correct, but I don't think you get the implications.
Obamacare is a massive failure and doomed to collapse completely.  It is already "terminally ill".
The assumption was that the republicans would come up with a replacement plan.. but frankly, there is no plan that is going to make people happy.  The underlying reason for that is whenever something is insured, the cost increase to take advantage of the insurance payouts - making it virtually impossible for anybody without insurance to get healthcare.  A simple example of this is with cars.  The costs for auto repairs are completely different when paid "out of pocket" vs paid "by insurance". 
So, there is no magical health care plan that is going to work. 
The democrats have no plan to fix Obamacare.
The republican plan won't work either. 
Many republicans would rather just let Obamacare collapse and not offer another healthcare plan.

Socialized medicine only works in countries such as Cuba.. where health care costs are very low.  Doctors work for low wages, and it is next to impossible to sue a doctor for malpractice.   It's like that old lesbian expression:   "You can't eat Kate and Edith too!"

So, the choices are:
Repeal Obamacare - resulting in going back to pre-Obama healthcare.
Repeal and replace Obamacare - resulting in temporarily offering a republican version of healthcare which will also fail - which eventually results in going back to pre-Obama healthcare. 
Doing nothing - resulting in Obamacare's inevitable collapse - with nothing to replace it other than returning to pre-Obama healthcare.

Politically, don't forget that Trump is not really a republican.  He's not in bed with any political machine.

The end result:
Healthcare will return to pre-Obama healthcare
Republicans will lose control of congress, however Trump will get his tax cut in his first term.
Trump will win re-election in 2020.. and during those 8 years, he will pack the Supreme Court with conservative judges which will last for decades.   (Goodbye "Roe vs Wade") 
The economy will do extremely well due to Trump, and when it comes down to it.. people care more about the economy when they go to the voting booths more than anything else. 
In Trump's second term, I doubt he will be able to get any meaningful legislation out of congress.  Congress might come up with some lame democrat backed healthcare bill, but Trump will just veto it.

The losers - the democrat party, the republican party, people with health problems, women who want abortions
The winners - Trump, the economy, healthy people, people with money to invest, workers

This message is unusual for me in that it is my OPINION instead of irrefutable facts. 
I am very interested to see any other opinions. 
The only other opinion I see so far is RoyalCrown seeking to retain Obamacare - but I would then ask RC if he thinks Obamacare can work without being revised.  Obamacare is going down like the Titanic - and THAT is not an opinion.

Actually, this message is unusual for you because (1) you actually stayed on message without massive deflection and (2) you actually remained civil. Thank you Frederick. Please, more responses like this. This is truly unprecedented. You stated your opinion and defended it without a single childish name.

I disagree heavily with what this means. Needing to do something, I believe Republicans will either announce they will work with Democrats to fix the problems with the ACA or they will try to move on (as you said) to giving rich people the tax cuts they want. The problem with the latter is that Republicans burned their political capital (which wasn't much) on this ACA repeal effort. The pressure from those who do not want to see the wealthy receive huge tax cuts plus the fact that our president has no credibility will stomp out any effort to pass tax reform to benefit the wealthy. This failed and that will fail also. This is what happens when a president wins with a flimsy 77,000 spread across three state electoral victory. There are more than 77,000 people who DID NOT vote who DO NOT want this president or anything he is about. He could help by staying far, far away from anything the Republicans want to do. You're right, he is not a republican but the (R) beside his name and the fact that he ran for their ticket and won is bringing their party down. Those special elections they won won't mean anything when Virginia and New Jersey vote for their statewide officials this year. Those upcoming Democratic victories will make a big difference later this year.

I am gay and a Christian and I was raised believing that Jesus is love and that we should all do our best to help one another and love one another. Realizing that that is an almost impossible task given the level of hate in the world, I simply use my faith to make myself a better person and I refrain from using it to punish people the way many other Christians do. Hopefully, others are inspired to do good things and donate and volunteer their time to helping others. So yes, I believe one can be gay and religious as long as they are not preaching hate towards those who are different than they are.

It ain't over til it's over, but I think this may be the end. ObamaCare is most likely here to stay  :cheers:

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/342447-two-more-gop-senators-defect-on-healthcare-bill

Most of his defenders on here are the same. They cannot name one single promise that he has kept and cannot name a way that their life has improved over the last six months. When we ask it in a year, they still will not have an answer because they were conned. This is what happens when you vote for and support a con man with strange hair.

They have that stolen Supreme Court seat. Other than that, nope, zero accomplishments and no one's lives have gotten better as a result of this presidency yet. Time is running out.

@sutieday:

I'm glad the Central Park Five were able to receive some compensation from NYC, however, it won't make up for their years of wrongful imprisonment.

#45, even after the men were exonerated, still presumes they are guilty even with no evidence, just assumptions. His supporters on this board are quick to come to his defense, yet provide no factual evidence, just their own assumptions (and possibly racial prejudices).

To deny their fact of exoneration is the same as denying Obama's birth certificate which, ironically, #45 accepts.

And that's one of the reasons why I made the thread, to show his pattern. He used the racist Obama birth certificate mess to help build his base of voters for years and now he's abandoned it because he doesn't need it anymore. Meanwhile, his supporters still believe–-without a shred of evidence---that President Obama was not born in America and that he is a Muslim. If #45 has some evidence to back up his statements about the Central Park Five AFTER they were exonerated, then he should provide it. Otherwise, he looks like a disgusting vile racist calling for the deaths of five exonerated black men who lost years of their lives for something they did not do.

So they're trying to blame the Secret Service for their disgusting anti-American backroom deals with Russians?  :crazy2:

The polls are very accurate when tracking his support because notice how many protests against him pop up after he makes one statement either on camera or on Twitter. The right try to claim these protests are paid and made up, but I've been to a handful and they really are grassroots movements. He is the most unpopular president this early on in a presidency that we've had for a while. It's only going to go downhill from here unless something happens to show off his leadership skills. Presidents with sinking numbers need a rallying effect or their presidency will crumble. His win wasn't really as historic as he claims. 77,000 people spread across three states is not a historic or overwhelming win. It means the country is so divided and so many people tuned out and didn't vote so 77,000 people in three separate states determined the results and that there are many, many other people who DID NOT vote who DO NOT want him as president. That's a huge problem and the poll numbers reflect just how true it is. The worse he gets, the more he will motivate people to turn out to vote against him and his agenda. If you do research on what happened in 2006, you'll see a lot of similar instances comparable to what's happening right now.

@raphjd:

@royalcrown89:

@raphjd:

RoyalCrown89

Well, at least my point was proven; the president is indefensible and no one has defended him for wanting five innocent men executed before and after they were exonerated.

Read the bit I bolded.

Now go back and read my previous comment again.

Wanting self confessed criminals to be punished is normal, for normal people.

He still to this day wants them dead, knowing now that they have been exonerated. Once again, where is the evidence showing him walking back his recent (2015-2016) statements? He wants innocent men dead; and once again, that's indefensible.

Not my argument.

Re-read what I said.

I understand that you are defending his right to call for their deaths prior to them being exonerated. I never said EVERYONE should condemn him for holding that belief because the five did initially confess. I said that I personally hold him responsible for his words before AND after, but that I understood those who defend him for his words prior to the five men being exonerated. All I'm simply saying is that his words and actions AFTER the five were exonerated are indefensible. Thank you for at least remaining civil with me.

This presidency is a joke that isn't funny anymore. So many of his products aren't made even made here. It's sad that those 77,000 voters spread across Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin fell for a con man. I believe the day will come when he loses THOSE people, which would ruin him since his Republican base support was not enough to elect him. His flimsy win is no match for a broad 2018 electorate, no match by a long shot.

@sutieday:

@royalcrown89:

@sutieday:

@mhorndisk:

GOD DAMN. SHUT THE FUCK UP. I SHOULD TOTALLY SUE YOU FOR YOUR FRAUDULENT STATEMENT HERE.

So sad this is still the standard of decorum on this board…

I reported him to the moderator. Something needs to be done because that response was totally uncalled for.

Apparently our mod has no problems with the post as he posted directly after it.

@raphjd:

@pppucci:

@raphjd:

You're butt hurt because Trump thought they should be executed before they were exonerated, after they confessed?

There was no death penalty in New York when Trump argued for it.  That's enough for me to get "butt hurt."

Oh, so a private citizen can't call for a state to get/use death penalty?

I see another case of liberals hating free speech.

I noticed that but I'll wait to see if any action is taken before I appeal to someone else. I said nothing to Mhorndisk for him to say that to me. Clearly, a warning is not enough at this point.

Lol Bill Clinton will forever be one of my favorite successful presidents. He's always had a great sense of humor.

@raphjd:

RoyalCrown89

Well, at least my point was proven; the president is indefensible and no one has defended him for wanting five innocent men executed before and after they were exonerated.

Read the bit I bolded.

Now go back and read my previous comment again.

Wanting self confessed criminals to be punished is normal, for normal people.

He still to this day wants them dead, knowing now that they have been exonerated. Once again, where is the evidence showing him walking back his recent (2015-2016) statements? He wants innocent men dead; and once again, that's indefensible.

@sutieday:

@mhorndisk:

GOD DAMN. SHUT THE FUCK UP. I SHOULD TOTALLY SUE YOU FOR YOUR FRAUDULENT STATEMENT HERE.

So sad this is still the standard of decorum on this board…

I reported him to the moderator. Something needs to be done because that response was totally uncalled for.

@pppucci:

His approval  rating  among Republicans right now is 85%.  It would have to drop below 50% for them to drop him.  Otherwise, he could support primary challengers in their safe, gerrymandered seats.

That's very true for gerrymandered seats, but what about statewide positions such as senate seats and governors? Remember in 2006 when George W. Bush's popularity tanked severely? The left became very enthusiastic and turned up in general election numbers while the right turned out in their typical midterm fashion and got completely wiped out. You're right, we're not there yet but I'm saying there will come a time where we do get there and it will most likely happen prior to the 2018 midterms. I could be wrong but judging by what happened in 2006, it's hard to say for sure. The current president did not start out with a decent approval of Americans the way President Bush did, nor has he been able to rally the country following a tragic event like 9/11 the way President Bush did which got him 90%+ approval ratings and showed us how much of a leader he could be. Also, it's very standard that–-without a 9/11 type situation---the party of the incumbent president loses control of Congress after that first midterm election. His approval among Republicans will not matter if millions turn out as a referendum on his presidency so far, which is what usually happens to a president in his first term.

Notice in this thread I have not called those who oppose me derogatory names. I've called the president's words disgusting because they are disgusting, but I have not personally called those who support his opinion on these five innocent men disgusting. I'm not calling those who support him on this issue disgusting because there could be a million reasons why you support him on this; however, you need to define those reasons instead of deflecting to other things wholly unrelated to this topic. So far, this thread has been largely civil but please refrain from making flaming personal statements such as calling me "butt hurt" and also refrain from major deflections. It is clear what this thread is about and if you cannot make an argument for what our president stands for then you are not here to have an open and honest discussion. I still want more civil discussions like this one but we can't get there unless we all take it seriously and call out bad actors on here when we see them.

@raphjd:

You're butt hurt because Trump thought they should be executed before they were exonerated, after they confessed?

Raphjd, he still currently holds the belief that they should be executed AFTER they were exonerated. YEARS AFTER. He is on the record saying he still wants them dead because they are guilty. He wants innocent men dead for something they did not do and have been proven to have not done. Further, he called their wrongful conviction settlement a "disgrace." Yes, I personally hold him responsible for calling for their deaths prior to them being exonerated; however, that can be defended because they did confess to something they didn't do whether it was by coercion or manipulation by the police, they confessed. However, our president CONTINUES to believe they should be executed KNOWING that they have been exonerated and he's calling the settlement a "disgrace." Can you provide me with evidence that (a) those five men are without a doubt CURRENTLY guilty of that crime or (b) the president has walked back the disgusting statements he's made AFTER they were exonerated? The stuff he said BEFORE they were exonerated was also disgusting but that's not the big problem here. The big problem is that he's still calling for their deaths. This is disgusting and I will keep saying it's indefensible because it truly is indefensible.

I knew this would happen, 100% deflection and severely  :ot: Well, at least my point was proven; the president is indefensible and no one has defended him for wanting five innocent men executed before and after they were exonerated. Instead of defending the president's disgusting comments and actions, there has been a huge deflection to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and for some reason, abortion. Where in any of my initial or proceeding comments did I mention Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton or abortion? Why was domestic terrorism brought into this discussion? Can anyone please give a straightforward answer to why our president currently wants five innocent men in this country dead for something they did not do?