Posts made by royalcrown89

@aadam101:

@Frederick:

Some things puzzle me about Obamacare.
Obamacare is not free healthcare, you and/or your employer have to pay for it.
Let's just pretend that Obamacare completely vanished overnight….
What is to stop people from buying their OWN health insurance?
Seems to me that people could buy better insurance on their own than the crap they are forced to buy that covers very little.

This is one topic that I lack an understanding of, because I've never had a health issue that would be covered by Obamacare.
I've always been puzzled why insurance doesn't cover or barely covers anything to do with dental, vision, or hearing.

Why should I pay for someone's shitty health because they smoked, abused alcohol, did drugs, ate the wrong foods, etc.?

My understanding is that people who would have healthcare insurance whether or not Obamacare existed, want everybody else to have Obamacare to subsidize THEIR insurance and lower their costs.

I agree with you on all of your points.  The solution to this is single payer.

Don't even mention free market.  If John Smith makes $50k per year but needs $100k per year in treatment and drugs to stay alive there is no free market solution for him.  It doesn't exist and it never will.  Companies will NEVER compete for his business.  It won't happen.

For the most part, health insurers don't provide any value to the healthcare system.  They simply skim money off the top and complicate life for all parties involved.  Trust me.  I know.  I've worked in health insurance for my entire career.

And that's what it keeps coming back to: greed. How greedy do we want our nation to remain and do we want to become a greedier nation? Should we continue to put a price on human lives and should we increase that price? That's what this argument has become and without a smart president to manipulate us, everyone is realizing the real argument about greed. Like I've said many times on here, Reagan and his evil policies are dead and burning in hell. It is time for us to move on and it starts with us confronting and destroying the greed. I wish Bernie would have been better at arguing this point. His entire slogan should have been, "End Reaganomics and Greed."

@brianboru72:

@royalcrown89:

FACT: Hillary Clinton lost the election and isn't currently under FBI investigation as the president!  :cheers:

It's really sad how these Trump snowflakes like mhorndisk and Frederick keep using Hillary as a human shield for their pathetic loser Trump. They keep trying to deflect but they don't realize that using Hillary will not work on the independent investigation now underway regarding the Trump campaign's ties to Russia. What they fail to realize is that using Hillary to shield Trump just makes the case that there is no intelligent defense for his brand of ineptitude.

And as #45 heads off on his first trip abroad as president- people are already preparing to treat him like the big baby he is to avoid a Trump tantrum.  ::) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nato-donald-trump-four-minute-time-limit-keep-us-president-attention-span-meeting-a7738626.html

BTW nice new sig royal.  

The 25+ year old Republican anti-Hillary rhetoric is truly all they have to defend the corrupt Cheeto who tricked them into electing him as #45. It is so sad.

And thanks, I adore my new sig  :cheers:

;D ;D thank you raphjd and Frederick! I needed a good laugh and this thread is downright hilarious  

@mhorndisk:

WHY are we not recognizing this?

Hmm…because she isn't the president and has no effect on anything at this point. When her super PAC is up and running and raising money in 2018, then all of this nonsense you're shouting about will make sense and she will be fair game again. I'm sure investigations will be launched into said super PAC by Republicans. As for now, you just look delusional.

@mhorndisk:

Honestly show me one good thing about the FUCKING GOD DAMNED OBAMACARE BILL?! ONE DAMN GOOD THING. ONE. Just go ahead.

Repealing it will flip the House and Senate to Democratic control  :cheers:

@mhorndisk:

Obama bombed SEVEN nations. You have no defense for that.

I never said I was cool with President Obama bombing those SEVEN nations, now did I? I simply stated he didn't begin the destabilization of Iraq in 2003 because in the real world, he didn't become president until 2009. History will judge President Obama accordingly. However, currently, he left office with a 60% approval rating and it shows when he pops up somewhere and hundreds of people line up just to see him and cheer for him. Can't say the same about the self-proclaimed Pussy Grabber.

@hornyeboy:

If she was elected and had actually done something wrong, then an independent party, such as a special prosecutor would have needed to look into it, possibly with the result of impeachment.
However, I remind you, she's not in any position, she's not the president!

They live in an alternative reality where she actually did win and is facing impeachment  :crazy2:

@gaypraha2:

reading all that I'm very proud of my country and universal health care system that although imperfect and expensive we praise.
I rather be part of a nation that dont put " in god we trust" everywhere but act upon the fact that life and health are the most precious thing there are and greed a real sin.

Yes, as you can see by Frederick's responses, greed is a serious problem we have in America but the more we forget about Ronald Wilson "Grand Devil" Reagan, the closer we get to moving away from greed.

@Frederick:

Under Obama.. even our closest allies such as Great Britain and Australia lost respect for us, and Obama pretty much brought back the cold war with Russia, in addition to allowing ISIS to be created and flourish throughout 35 countries in the world.

The two other major powers in the world - Russia and China - both HATED Obama and had no respect for him.

Yep, they lost so much respect for him that they objected to him being at NATO and G7 meetings, huh? They made declarations stating just how much they didn't like or respect him, right? The president of China didn't come to the U.S. multiple times to have dinner with and speak to President Obama the entire 8 years, right? He was never invited by China to visit, correct? President Obama was banned from even visiting various countries in Europe, right? His recent trip to Italy must've been fake news, right? The Cold War never really left because we were never buddy-buddy with the Russians until Agent Orange begged them to hack systems and find Hillary Clinton's emails. Even before then, Russia invaded the country of Georgia under GWB and proved that Russia hadn't really changed as they claimed to have changed. And if you're saying President Obama destabilized Iraq starting in 2003 as president then you are just delusional because everyone knows the main catalyst for ISIS was the Iraq War and he wasn't president when Iraq was severely destabilized.

Either way, pointing to President Obama every single time proves you have no real defense of #45. It's okay, I wouldn't want to defend a president with a 35-38% approval rating either. Just better hope he doesn't get below 28% because…well you remember what happened to GWB by the time the Great Recession began  :blownose:

@Frederick:

The way to lower healthcare costs is COMPETITION.

That argument is tired and over. Sorry, but the year is 2017 not 1981 when Reagan sold his disgusting greed message as "American prosperity." No one is falling for that in 2017 and good luck getting people who actually do like their healthcare plans or are satisfied with their Medicaid coverage to give it all up just so people who already have the means to take care of themselves can have more money in their pockets. The good old days of getting the poor and working poor to care about the well-being of the super rich are as dead as Ronald Wilson "Grand Devil" Reagan. Those days are burning in hell with him and his trickle-down economic policies :cheers:

@mhorndisk:

Well it's duh for me because I am friends with two gay doctors who left to the country because it was cheaper than living here and paying Obamacare taxes.

Did they go to a country with universal healthcare?? If so,  :cheers: your friends are proof that America should have single-payer!

@hornyeboy:

They're laughing at trumpenfuhrer, or laughing at us because of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z48Pngm6Vz0

https://thinkprogress.org/what-newspapers-in-13-countries-are-saying-about-donald-trump-819e632616d2
http://politicaldig.com/donald-trump-has-become-the-laughing-stock-of-the-world-heres-how-other-countries-are-trolling-him/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-03/world-leaders-stunned-trumps-bluntness

We're about to see just how "presidential" the wild, crazy and almighty Cheeto looks on his first foreign trip as president. I have a feeling it's not going to be pleasant since he's ticked off quite a few countries  :fight:

@Frederick:

The best I can do is point out that nobody, including Comey, has determined that Trump did anything inappropriate or illegal.  Every day there is the clamor of libtards calling for investigations, special prosecutors, and impeachment hearings.. for WHAT?  Some anonymous sources or extremely biased clowns suspicions and opinions?  We don't impeach people because someone doesn't like them.

Republicans also called for a special prosecutor and have expressed how pleased they are now that special counsel has been appointed. Also, the investigations are still ongoing so no one can say #45 is in the clear until ALL investigations are complete. The fact that special counsel had to be appointed is proof enough that there's some there there. I'm crossing my fingers and holding to hope until ALL investigations are complete, which by the way could take years. Drip, drip, drip  :cheers:

ACA is a step towards universal healthcare and since it is popular now, it is going to be hard to remove. The Republicans realize that now. Back to the main point, ACA aka Obamacare is a step towards universal healthcare but sadly still has the private insurance companies involved. The majority of Americans support what Bernie Sanders has been talking about, single-payer, which is what many other developed countries have. We could have had a single-payer system; however, Democrats wanted to include people like then-Senator Joe Lieberman (former faux Democrat and later faux Independent) who said he'd vote for ACA if the public option and other things that would have made ACA a bigger step towards single-payer were removed. Democrats removed key provisions and Lieberman along with then-Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME) still voted against the bill when it came up for final votes. In short, we would be even closer to single-payer had Democrats just come together and voted for single-payer without any Republican or faux Independent output input. Given the opportunity, Democrats will get us a lot closer to single-payer next time around.

@mhorndisk:

Not sure if somebody fucked up my words there but I think you understand regardless.

Nope, I have no idea what you're saying. I don't think most people on here have a clue what you're saying half the time because of constant  :crazy2:

@mhorndisk:

Dude OBAMACARE SUCKS ASS! I gotta pay HUNDREDS of dollars a year for that shit and I have never been to a doctor!!!

Yep, too bad 19 Republican governors used it to expand Medicaid in their states and it's very popular. Snatch that away from all those people and we'll see how well that works out.

@mhorndisk:

Dude, I don't want to be rude, but I could only read one sentence before I realized that you don't understand. Donald Trump is NOT a Republican or a Democrat. Party Lines are OFF the table. It has nothing to do with it. They are ONE party of evil, and Trump is the only one who is an outside force strong enough to eviscerate parties.

Yep, someone with a 32-38% approval rating has the power to eviscerate the parties. Someone who got 46.1% of the vote, not even the 53%(2008) or 51% (2012) that Obama got when he ran, but 46.1% of the vote. And are you saying he has a strong outside force just because 77,000 individuals spread across Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan were enough votes to sway enough precincts in those states? Yeah good luck with that  :crazy2:

@mhorndisk:

To a degree. The people want justice now. The people who voted Trump in, will vote those bitches out. It aint over.

You are aware that many Republican districts either voted for #45 by a slim margin or actually voted for Clinton, right? The Republicans definitely hurt their chances by passing that awful Obamacare repeal in the House, which is why thousands of their very own constituents have turned up angry at recent town halls. His support isn't as strong as you think it is, especially after he flopped on key campaign promises.

@mhorndisk:

Not if they want to be re-elected. We voted for Trump. But we more importantly voted for his positions and ideals. We will not vote those bastards in again.

Are you sure going down that rabbit hole will be worth it? If you guys try to vote out longtime Congressmen, those incumbents will most likely run third party and split that side of the vote, possibly causing a Democratic win in some districts. Candidate Agent Orange was more unpopular than Hillary and he won because so many people on the left sat it out. People may have sat it out or voted for Jill Stein or a dead gorilla, but those same people did not want Agent Orange which is why they did not vote for him. We haven't had a president this unpopular this early in his presidency in recent history going back over fifty years. It doesn't matter what YOU voted for, the majority of the country did not want THIS and we're seeing that now with the strong resistance to now #45.

Investigations take time, sometimes years. Remember the Benghazi investigations that went on from 2012-2016 led by REPUBLICANS that went absolutely NOWHERE and did NOTHING but start the Hillary Clinton email investigations that also went NOWHERE and did NOTHING? Ah, good times  :cheers: