Posts made by pppucci

@Frederick:

"Everyone in this country is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law"?   Are you that naïve?  Tell that to all the people that cops kill for no good reason at all.    Tell that to all the people put into prison with convicts.. before they even go to trial.

You want to bring up the cops and BLM?  I think not.  Yes, people are held pending trial when they cannot make bail or represent a safety of flight risk.  But, according to the Constitution, the trial must be sppedy and fair.  One can always file a writ of Habeus Corpus

@raphjd:

They have requested, names, addresses, partial SSN, party affiliation and voting history

Unless the states are doing something illegal, then they have no idea who you voted for.

Australia has mandatory voting and your voting record (not who you voted for) is shared within the government because you are denied benefits and can be sent to jail for not voting.

I don't care if anyone knows I normally vote Democrat.

Liberals love that CNN is threatening to dox a person over a meme, but hate the idea of illegal voters being faux doxed.

I never meant to imply that voting history meant who you voted for.  It just means what elections you did cast votes.  How does that history relate to vote fraud beyond the information if the person in question ever voted.  Actually, I don't that voter suppression, even the suppression of illegal voting is the prime motivator in seeking this information.  They are looking to use it politically, and develop a huge database of party affiliation, who are the most motivated voters, who votes in primary elections, etc.  This will put them on firm footing going into 2020 to direct their campaigns ans spend their advertising dollars efficiently..  I have a strange feeling that they will not share the raw data with the Democrats.  It is just conjecture on my part, but even if it is partially true, it would mean the federal government is being used to further the cause of one political party.

I have to admit I was impressed by President Trump's speech today in Warsaw.  He looked presidential, sounded presidential and offered a stern warning to Russia to stop its domination of the Eastern Ukraine and supporting Iran and Syria. We need to see more of this side of Trump.

–-I am not replying to my own post, I am copying and pasting Frederick's remarks on this subject which were posted in another thread, so I can respond to them.. Frederick wrote:
_"AGAIN.. you are twisting and spinning reality: 
Here's REALITY for you:

For the time period of January 1, 2011 through December 31, 2012 
ANY and ALL documents in your posession, and/or sent from or received by the email address "[email protected]",
"[email protected]," or any other email address or communications device used by you or another on your behalf,
referring or relating to (Libya)

Let me break this long winded statement down:
It orders Hillary to turn over all her documents emails from the years 2011 and 2012.
This is to also include communications made by her or on her behalf related to Libya.

I will grant you that this is a bit confusing.  This is typical of government speak. 
You are interpreting this order as being restrictive in that they only wanted those e-mails that were related to Libya.
That is not what it says.  It says it wants ALL of HER communications of 2011 and 2012.
It also wants the communications made on her behalf if they are related to Libya.

It is absurd to interpret that as giving her the right to not only DELETE, but also make it impossible for anybody, including the FBI and CIA, from getting physical possession of her hard drives to retrieve that DELETED information by using "bleach bit" software.  There is a world of difference between not turning something over and DELETING it so it can't be turned over.
She had no business deleting any communications off that server which she illegally had in her own home.  This is one reason why it is illegal for the servers to be in private homes such as Hillary's basement.  It's not only for security from hackers, but also to ensure that the private person can't go and delete things that don't belong to them.  Imagine if Nixon just deleted or burned those "Watergate" tapes.  That would put him in prison if he was not a President at the time.  Nixon didn't even delete / eliminate the tapes.  Perhaps he WOULD have if he could have done it without anybody finding out.  In Hillary's case, she wasn't a president, and we DID find out. 
Additionally, Hillary told several lies about the e-mails and devices, including that she only used ONE mobile communications device, when in fact she used something like 15 of them.  (She destroyed them with a hammer which was to cover up what she was leaking.  The information on them would have already been leaked.. so wouldn't it be nice for the US Government to KNOW what was leaked?  Not possible since she took a hammer to them.  Now only the hackers know what was leaked).  She lied about the number of e-mails.  She had a private computer firm without security clearance going over those communications. 
Even if Congress had not subpoena's those communications, she STILL had no legal authority to delete them.  As it turns out, there were many very damaging e-mails coming and going out of her e-mail accounts - including how they plotted to steal the nomination from Bernie Sanders, and pay people to disrupt Trump's rallies (those were obviously not part of the 2011-2012 subpoena, but she still had no right to DELETE them.. they probably would have been subpoenaed later.. you can't subpoena something that no longer exists.. ) 
Also, we later found out that COPIES of these deleted e-mails were floating around all over the place, including on the computers of pedo Anthony Weiner, husband of Huma Abedin (Hillary's closest advisor).

I could go on, but clearly Hillary grossly violated the law, and she should never had been eligible to be a candidate while under investigation.  This is why that corrupt former Attorney General Lorettta Shudbee Lynch, used the word "matter" instead of "investigation".  "_
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My reply.  You misstate the scope of the subpoena.  She was asked to turn over emails from 2010 and 2011 rregarding the events in Libya… So clearly she did not violate a congressional subpoena. 
As to her obligation to preserve even un-related emails, it is true she had an obligation to preserve an correspondence relating to her duties as Secretary of State, but she was under no obligation to preserve those of a personal nature.  So even if those did contain damaging political information, she did not legally have to preserve them.  Even IF they contained evidence of criminal activities ( I am not saying they did) she still would be under no obligation to preserve them.  The fourth amendment protects against unlawful search and seizure.  She did not have to preserve them for some future possible investigation.
Lastly, she did not destroy all of her emails.  She did turn over about 30,000. The ones that were deleted were examined by her legal team in good faith, and found to be unrelated to her cabinet duties.  Destroying old mobile devices with a hammer was standard practice in the state department.
But as I asked mhorndisk, why the hell does that matter now?

@mhorndisk:

No, it's not.

This is the kind of post that shows you are not open  to debate.  But your original post implied hypocrisy on the part of those calling for civility on this board while not criticizing a play about a Roman Emperor who is betrayed to resemble Trumo. What does one have to do with the other? Even if there was rioting on the streets, we can treat each other with respect here.

Saying that Kathy Griffin was not criticized on this board or anywhere else simply is not true.  She was almost universally called out for it.  She apologized.  Nonetheless, even CNN fired her from their New Year's Eve show, and she lost most of he comedy bookings.  It was clearly a mistake.  We are not afraid to say it.  When has mhorndisk admitted that he or one of his heroes is wrong? He still clings to birtherism and throwing Hillary in jail.  He rejects out of hand the report by the FBI, NSA and CIA that Russia meddled in our election.  But this thread was not about this issue at all, it was about being civil to each other.

@Frederick:

@pppucci:

Her husband, Sid Williams is an ex-NFL star.

Sigh..here we go again…
Her husband Sid Williams did play football.. 50 years ago.  he was hardly a star.. and back in those days, football players weren't paid squat, especially black ones.  He is most famous for speaking out in defense of Cassius Clay for being a draft dodger.  Interesting that Cassius never spoke out against the Vietnam War or OTHER people being drafted until AFTER he was drafted.  Muhammad Ali had no problem bashing in people's brains with his fists, but didn't want to get in any fight that he might get hurt.

In his entire NFL career, Sid had 1 touchdown, 1 interception, 1 recovered fumble.  He played a total of 70 games.  I'm pretty sure that if my grandmother played football, she would have better statistics than that.

Sid then went on to be a car salesman for 15 years.. then went on to be the ambassador to the Bahamas for 8 years.. and apparently has been sitting his ass on the couch for the past 19 years.    So again.. where did Maxine Waters get that $4.3 million?

I willgrant you all that, but if you go to the celebrity net worth site, they list his at $600,00.  That of course, does not consider income, which would be private information.  Also Maxine listed the value of her home at 1.4 million on her financial disclosure form in 2016.  Not that it makes much difference.  I am not defending her views, which I think are too extreme, but I will defend her right to live where she wants, even in a

@royalcrown89:

President Obama is not being considered for another Nobel Peace Prize. It's something the alt-right has come up with to try to distract us from our current president's historical low approval, and it's sad.

It is not only a distraction.  The only thing that unites such groups with a nihilistic view of the word is opposition to someone.  There is very little positive about their agenda.  It is all about keeping people out of our country and overturning the accomplishments of the last administration.  That's why they keep bringing up Hilary.

@raphjd:

Longer article;

https://mg.co.za/article/2017-07-05-court-declares-fuck-white-people-is-neither-racist-nor-hate-speech

Basically, blacks can be racist to white, because it's good.

Only one problem with your theory:  the author of the "Fuck White People" was white.

"The piece by Dean Hutton, an art student at the University of Cape Town, showed gold-colored boots, a chair and wallpaper showing the expletive and the words "white people" numerous times. Hutton is white."

Be careful making assumptions.

@mhorndisk:

You have GOT to be KIDDING ME!!! She SMASHED THEM UP WITH A HAMMER!!! :cheesy2: You're just too much man.

The whole hammer-smashing thing is another false slogan.  The Hammer smashing was a standard recommended procedure at the State Department for destroying old mobile devices. And so what?  She turned over what the Congress asked for and endured days of hostile hearings on the Benghazi issue.  The whole e-mail thing was blown out of proportion.  It was not, as she has said recently, a "nothing burger," but neither was it a treasonous offense as her critics maintained.  Either way, it is not relevant at all in today's political world.

@mhorndisk:

OH! I aww see two thumbs down already. You must have voted for him to get a second Nobel prize, you little whores. You know he doesn't deserve it. How can you bomb seven nations and expect a second Nobel peace prize? Wow you have to be NUTS.

Who is even talking about a second peace prize for Obama.  I googled "Obama second peace prize nomination" and all I got was how some on the Nobel Prize committee had second thoughts about awarding him the first one.  Oh well…

@raphjd:

While I strongly disagree with the original thread title, I do have the exact same question; how is bombing the shit out of 7 countries worthy of a peace prize, let alone a 2nd one.

I didn't disagree with the original thread title for anything more than it's crassness.

Please at least make public, if it is true, that the change of the title of the OP was die to your intervention.  I know you would never edit a post yourself as moderator, uinless it was flagrantly against the rules, but did you encourage him to do so?  That would give me some hope.

Her husband, Sid Williams is an ex-NFL star.

@raphjd:

@pppucci:

@raphjd:

Liberals will use any apologetics to justify CNN's vile actions.

Doxxing is never a good thing, even when a liberal does it.

I guess it's only good when the president wants to do it to the entire American electorate.

Do you have any proof that Trump wants to dox the entire electorate?

The UK has a list of registered voters and my name is on it.    I've had no problems due to that.

Why the absolute terror over having your name, along with 100 million others, know as a registered voter?!

The only people with something to fear are the ones who are doing it illegally.     In another thread, we talked about 2 cases in Texas involving both main parties.

They have requested, names, addresses, partial SSN, party affiliation and voting history. If it were just names, I don't think there would be pushback.  And the assumption that those who seek to protect the privacy of their citizens have something to hide is sinister.

@mhorndisk:

Seriously? It's called JULIUS CESAR. Ever heard of it?

Exactly.  Written 400 years ago.  Was Shakespeare predicting the future?  Should he be prosecuted posthumously by the Secret Service?  Simply dressing up Caesar to resemble Trump is not calling for the assassination of the president.  It is an effort to make an ancient play modern.

@mhorndisk:

You guys are all playing on this big sad face civility lie, the next trick in your play book, and yet you don't call out your own when they are assassinating a sitting President in Central Park. Is that civil? You're terrible actors, just like them. If they did that to Obama, wow you guys would be shitting bricks for months. Acting like this is remotely acceptable? There is seriously something wrong with you.

Do you read the news?  Name the title of the play.

@mhorndisk:

Here's an idea. I will declare that the President was unpresidential in his tweet, if you admit that CNN lied, instead of conveniently ignoring that and pointing the finger at him. Admit they lied. I doubt you can do it. I doubt you can actually say CNN lied, when they did, and admitted it, and fired three reporters over it.

Did I ever deny that CNN retracted a story that was poorly sourced, did not meet its own standards and fired the reporters.  Ok they lied.  How does that give the president the right to virtually punch them out?  They retracted the story, and fired the employees.  What do you want? A firing squad?
And no matter what you think of me, I have never been resistant  to accepting known facts, or as Carl Bernstein puts it, "The best obtainable version of the truth." I don't need to accept that Obama is the devil's whore just because you believe it.  Even if you had something back that up with, that characterization is your opinion.  As far as I know, there is no National Devil's Whore Registry.

I am trying to move this discussion to the new topic I created.  Copy and paste it there and I will respond.
https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=51154.0

And, BTW, I am still waiting for a more complete response to my OP. This thread was not about threatening to report the moderator to the "boss,"  If it devolved into that, I apologize.  The aim of this thread was to discuss how we can make this board more accommodating to all users.

@mhorndisk:

She admitted that she deleted 30,000 emails after a subpoena, after an investigation was launched. Is that really not obstruction of justice to you? Come on. Where's your head at man?

We are a nation of laws.  I know that does not jive with your anarchistic tendencies.  Every one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.  She was not charged.  You are entitled to your opinion based on what you have heard.  But your opinion and my opinion do not matter.  In the eyes of the law and of our criminal justice system she is innocent.  Accept that and move on.  It does not impact on any of the issues we are facing today.  It mattered in the election and she lost.  Game over.