Posts made by pppucci

How can the number of videos you find on the web possibly  tell you anything at all about the relative incidence of violence of right vs left?  Do you have a web crawler embedded in your brain that diligently scours every website on earth?  Even if you id, there would be a bias related to which videos were posted and published.  Perhaps leftist violence seems on the rise since it was virtually non-existent for the past ten years.
Your North Carolina study does nothing for your argument.  That study looked at how ex-felons registered (either democrat or Republican after they were released.  They did not distinguish between violent and non-violent felons.  They did not look at party affiliation at the time the crime was committed. Believe it or not, there are conservative democrats, and although they are a rare bird now, there are liberal republicans.  Even the authors of your beloved study did their data did not support Senator Cruz's assertion.
Try again.

Now we are turning bar brawls as evidence of the violent tendencies of the left?  You crack me up.  From the very article you cite:

"Val ( the victim) says he was dancing for a few hours on the dance floor when his red MAGA hat fell off. As he went to pick up his hat, a woman identified as Emma Rodriguez was stepping on his hat and told Val she hates the hat and hates him.

Val  pushed her away to retrieve his hat when he got into a fight with Rodriguez’s boyfriend, Leonardo Heinert. Val was then struck in the face with a beer bottle by Heinert. Rodriguez also struck Val in the back of the head with a beer bottle.

Val, Rodriguez and Heinert were all arrested and subsequently released."

He was attacked because he pushed the other guy's girl, not because of the hast.  She didn't like the hat, but that is just incidental to the real reason for the violence. ALL THREE WERE ARRESTED. You really are grasping at straws.

You and raphjd are entitled to your opinion that liberals are inherently violent, but your attempts to take a few incidents (he's big on the Berkley rots and the Stanford bike-lock incident) and conflate them into a growing national phenomenon in the United States is pathetic.

As I am mostly ignorant of European politics, I will not refute that the Hamburg rioters were leftists.  But that is irrelevant here.

All I am saying is that in a thread started by a "liberal" praising the president, none of the ones who clearly support the president weighed in, I guess because there was no controversy to enflame.  I understand you can be conservative or anti-liberal and lukewarm on Trump, but there are several members here who have not hidden their enthusiasm for him. I have never dissed them for being fanatic.
If you think the premier political issue if the implosion of the left and their "toddler-like" behavior, what would you suggest be done about it, besides griping.  If your goal is to make your opponents see the error of their ways, you have a long way to go. It appears you think current law id too left-leaning–what would you change?
I am tired of all the griping and sniping.

@Frederick:

It must be hell to be a moonbat and be wrong about virtually everything.

Here's just one more fundamental problem with moonbats.  The alleged premise of justice in this country is that one is innocent until proven guilty.  And yet, when it comes to Trump.. the moonbats don't need any proof, they don't need any trial, they don't need any charges.  All they need is some anonymous person to suggest something.. and the moonbats become a rabid horde of mad villagers with torches ready to burn Trump at the stake.

Just for trivia sake.. someone tried to swindle my father out of 4.25% of his life savings this month.  I caught him, I investigated him, and that man is going to lose his license soon, and he might be going to prison.  The tipoff is when I spoke to him, the topic of Trump came up.  I was praising the success of Trump - while this idiot has the opposite view.  I will enjoy punishing that man.

I guess we lit those torches from the ones you are still carrying for Hillary. And you guys still go on and on after the investigation was closed. The investigation of Trump and his associates is just beginning and it is way more complicated than the investigation into Hillary's email server.  It may be true that the President himself was not involved directly with any possible Russian collusion.  But that does not exonerate his campaign. And no matter what you think, Trump is acting like he is guilty.  He is trying to discredit the investigation even as it is starting.  He has called it a witch hunt and a hoax. Why didn't he appoint a presidential commission to look into the Russian meddling with our election?  There is certainly more evidence backing that up than 3 million illegal votes.

@Frederick:

Keep going with your delusional fantasies moonbats.

I should play your game.. where's the proof?

The proof that Nixon was directly involved in the cover-up of the Watergate burglary was not revealed until 2 years after the crime.  That was a petty burglary.  This is an international conspiracy.  You cannot dismiss it because there is no proof…yet.

@strangeloop:

Pucci, liberals are far, far more violent than conservatives ever could be in the U.S.   The numbers are not on your side.

No, the numbers aren't even close. The number of attacks by leftists far FAR outweigh the attacks by the right.  The large majority of gun violence is committed by democrats:

Source: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/06/robert-farago/firearms-related-homicides-democratic-vs-republican-affiliation/
Source 2: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/01/ted-cruz/are-overwhelming-majority-violent-criminals-democr/

And yes I see that Politifact rating, as it is biased. The thing is, even though they try to qualify the issue, they still have to report the numbers.  Here are the numbers from the politifact article:

For instance, in New York, about one-third of felons released from prison registered to vote after their release. Of those, about 62 percent registered as Democrats and 9 percent registered as Republicans, with 26 percent registering as independents or with other parties.

In North Carolina, about a quarter of those who were released registered after their release. Of those, 52 percent registered as Democrats, 19 percent as Republicans and 22 percent as independents or with other parties.

And in New Mexico, 41 percent of those who were released registered to vote. Of those, 55 percent registered as Democrats, 10 percent as Republicans and 18 percent as independents or with other parties.

These things are true.  Not mostly true, or mostly false, just true.

You need to stop denying that there is an issue with left wing violence.  The numbers and statistics are not on your side.  The anecdotes are not on your side.  The video documentation is not on your side.

Here is a video of ultra-left wing black bloc rioters in Hamburg smashing windows and setting the city on fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sRjonStJv0

Will you continue to argue there is no problem specifically with left wing violence?

Strange loop, the two articles you cite are statistically flawed. The most important statistic is left out, which is the prevalence of political parties in the US:
From Wikipedia:
Gallup polling in 2010 that found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats (tying a 22-year low), 29% as Republicans, and 38% as independents.
So most murders are committed by independents, if we are to use the logic of the first author.  The fact that blacks commit violent crimes out of proportion to their population has little to do with their party affiliation.  That article is not even a study.  It is a methodologically flawed manipulation of statistics by a pro-gun site.
You politifact study purports to show that ex-felons vote Democratic. Even if it were true , it says nothing about politically inspired leftist violence. You might try refining your Google search.  These studies are meant to discredit those calling for gun control.
Go ahead. Google liberal violence.  You will find a lot of objectionable rhetoric, the shooting attack on the Republican baseball team (which was roundly condemned by liberal, including Bernie) and little else.  Yet Buzz Feed counted 28 incidents    of violence and racism in THE FIRST WEEK after the election. Why do you refuse to acknowledge all of these blatant incidents, including the ones I cited before?

Two days ago, I posted a topic entitled "Trump the Statesman".  I was truly impressed by his speech in Poland, and since then, I think he has done a good job at the G20 summit.  He has stepped on his own message a few times, but those flubs were minor.
Interestingly, the only conservative (or anti-liberal), raphjd responded to the post, and only to trash CNN.
None of them jumped in to praise the president.
I have only been participating in the forum actively for about 6 weeks, and it may have been different before, but now it seems that the "other side" is only interested in baiting liberals and complaining about the media than by promoting any positive agenda.
Raphjd is out to prove liberals are violent and blacks are racists, Mhorndisk is vocal in praising the president, but seems more pre-occupied with global banking conspiracies.  Frederick at times discusses issues, but revels more in trolling his opponents with clever epithets. Strangeloop is also bent on pointing out examples of liberal violence and making a case that the incidents are on the rise.
I can remember only one thread on healthcare and nothing on jobs, the economy, tax reform and infrastructure.  Yet we are the ones who are blamed for keeping the discussion focused on the foibles of the current administration.  Sad.

@strangeloop:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Timcast/status/883280369344290817

More far-left violence, documented by video.  Is there anything more ironic than a German man accusing a reporter of being a nazi?

It's time to stop denying there's a massive issue with liberal political violence.

Strangeloop, you are a hoot.  One person gets pissed, hurls an epithet and pushes someone–That is a "massive issue with liberal political violence?"  and in the video itself, 5-10 people nearby pull the angry man off, separate the two, and help the reported get his things.

I guess there is a massive issue with politically motivated liberal kindness as well.

@strangeloop:

The problem I am talking about is not the existence of these groups, but the culture of pro-violence and the disproportionate violence committed by left-wing extremists and often encouraged by mainstream liberals.

You make assumptions that are not justified.  When have main-stream liberals encouraged violence?  How is leftist violence disproportionate when compared to the right?  While recent leftist protests have gotten ugly, very few, if any have resulted in deaths.  Yet right-wing domestic terrorism is on the rise.

New America's tally shows 21 instances of right-wing terrorist attacks causing 53 fatalities since September 11, 2001. These were:

The 2017 Portland train attack (2 killed),
The 2017 stabbing of Timothy Caughman in New York City (1 killed),
The 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting (3 killed),
The 2015 Charleston church shooting (9 killed),
The 2014 ambush attack on Las Vegas police officers (5 killed),
The 2014 Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting in Kansas (3 killed),
The 2014 Pennsylvania State Police barracks attack in Blooming Grove, Pennsylvania (1 killed),
A 2012 tri-state killing spree by white supremacists, David Pedersen and Holly Grigsby (4 killed),
A 2012 ambush of St. John the Baptist Parish, Louisiana police (2 killed),
The 2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting (6 killed),
The 2011 FEAR group attacks (3 killed),
A murder in 2010 in Carlisle, Pennsylvania (1 killed),
A 2010 suicide attack by airplane in Austin, Texas (1 killed),
The 2009 shooting of Pittsburgh police officers (3 killed),
The 2009 United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting (1 killed),
The 2009 assassination of George Tiller (1 killed),
The 2009 murders of Raul and Brisenia Flores in Pima County, Arizona (2 killed),
The 2009 murders in Brockton, Massachusetts (2 killed),
The 2008 Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting (2 killed),

Newsweek published and article in June on the matter:  http://www.newsweek.com/homegrown-terrorism-rising-threat-right-wing-extremism-619724

Massive civil unrest and "violence" (destroying property is far different than destroying life) is more a reaction to the party in power.  That is why you see what you do in Germany, and to an extent, what is happening in the USA.  The the right is in power, the left will protest, and when emotions run high, there will be violence.  When the roles are reversed, the right protests and violence ensues.

The "rise of leftist violence" is a conservative media talking point that is designed to discredit the entire liberal movement and offer exculpatory justifications for their own past offenses.

As Senator McCain has said, this investigation is like a centipede and another shoe will drop every day.
As I have said before, Trump wants to use the presidency to increase the value of his brand and his family's wealth.

@Frederick:

It appears someone is back to their ad hominem logic again.

Oh, and I believe the rule popping into a post just to flame was just broken, no? Oh moderator!

EDIT:  Please see my correction below in another post

Sorry, Fred, No rules broken on either side.  Ad hominem attacks are lame, but not forbidden.  You, by definition, cannot "pop in" to a topic you have created.  You just have proven your own childishness by returning an inappropriate ad hominem attack with one of your own.
You both have shown how responses get out of hand and away from the OP.
EDIT:  Please see my correction below

@raphjd:

Let's go back to 1900 and compare the number of dead by the sides.

Let's not forget that fascism and communism is on the left.  Since you guys love Islam so much, I guess you're gonna claim them too.

You are off the chain today.  Why don't we go back to the Spanish Inquisition?  I thought 1990 was too far back, but included it only because the website I quoted did.  But you can see there are several incidents this year.

At first, I was pleasantly surprised when I got a breaking news alert on my phone that Trump had brought up the issue with Puitin.  I was at work and couldn't read more.

In diplomacy, words are chosen very carefully and every word counts.

Tillerson said. "The President brought up the concerns of the American people regarding Russian meddling in our electoral process.  Putin denied it."

Then the Russian side claimed that Trump had accepted Putin's denial.  A White House "source" said that it wasn't true, but neither Tillerson nor Trump has made a follow-up statement.  Trump did not hold a news conference at the end of the summit.

@aadam101:

@raphjd:

Liberals like to whine about posts, yet not a single liberal reported a post that clearly violated the rules by a person who jumped in to the thread solely to flame me.

Where are the 40 reported posts I'd get if the same thing was done to a liberal?

I don't know which post you are talking about but why would someone report a post about the moderator to the moderator?

Your point is well taken.  The post was by bostonpolar who was not on this thread before,  He received an official  :police:–------ :police: reprimand for not following Forum rules which ban popping into a thread just to flame someone.

I think the correlation is too broad.  There is no evidence that the guy attacked in Philadelphia because he would not "bow" to liberals. I am sure he either got in their fgace, or was attacked by thugs who were just looking for an excuse to commit violence.

As for the post that I thought has misplaced bracket, your reply to my post appears in the same grey box as my quoted post.  Since it is not in a black background, it does not appear as a reply, but as part of the my quted post.  I know those words are not mine. It looks to me like you wrote your reply above the
"" code.

@raphjd:

Liberals like to whine about posts, yet not a single liberal reported a post that clearly violated the rules by a person who jumped in to the thread solely to flame me.

Where are the 40 reported posts I'd get if the same thing was done to a liberal?

I can't share the perspective of a moderator.  Personally, I didn't read the post because the thread was old and there was a newer one by mhorndisk on the same play. Again you are making assumptions about the behavior of others. I find that really annoying. But, I suspect you are speaking from experience.

BTW, i have a message for the  :police:
The links "show unread posts since last visit" and "show new replies to your posts" next to your avatar in he upper left of the forum page  work erratically.  I have diligently clicked on both when visiting the forum and I missed the flaming post in this thread.  This is not the only time something like that has happened.  I have taken to skimming the entire board to make sure I haven't missed anything.  The "new" flag works well.
Do I need to log out of the site and log back in for this to work properly?

Is your argument that the left is catching up with the right in terms of violence? Because your innocent act ain't gonna fly:

Here is a list of right-wing terror attacks since 1990.

USA - Anti-abortion murders (1993 to 1998).
USA - Oklahoma City bombing (1995).
USA - Larry Shoemake (1996).
USA - Eric Rudolph (1996 to 1998).
UK - Neo-Nazi London bomber (1999).
USA - Christian murder of gay couple (1999).
USA - Benjamin Nathaniel Smith (1999).
USA - Jewish Community Center (1999).
USA - Richard Baumhammers (2000).
Germany - Neo-Nazi killings in Germany (2000 to 2007).
USA - Mark Stroman (2001).
USA - Knoxville church shooting (2008).
USA - Keith Luke rape and murder (2009).
USA - Pittsburgh police officers (2009).
USA - Anti-abortion murder (2009).
Norway - Norway attacks (2011). Though perhaps should be just insane.
USA - Holly Grigsby (2011).
USA - Sikh temple shooting (2012).
UK - Pavlo Lapshyn (2013). (Though he was not actually British, but an immigrant only in the country a few days.)
USA - Jewish Community Center shooting (2014). The killer was a fan of Israel-hater Max Blumenthal.
UK - Mold, Wales (2015). A strange one. Zack Davies, the attacker in Mold, was both pro-Nazi and pro-jihad.
USA - Charleston black church massacre (2015).
USA - Lafayette cinema shooting (2015).
Germany - Stabbing of Henriette Reker (2015).
Sweden - School attack (2015).
USA - Planned Parenthood shooting (2015).
UK - Assassination of Jo Cox MP (2016). Though perhaps should be just insane.
Canada - Quebec mosque massacre (2017).
USA - Kansas racist shooting (2017).
USA - James Harris Jackson (2017).
USA - Richard Collins murder (2017).
UK - Finsbury Park mosque (2017).
UK - Acid attack on Muslims (2017).

http://markhumphrys.com/left.right.violence.html

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Two groups committing violence for vastly different reasons, even if they are part of a larger group does not, imho,  unite the issues sufficiently to discuss in one thread.  This is another example where the debate deteriorates  into broad denouncements of "the other side."

The issue of liberal supporting Islamic violence deserves its own thread.

This thread epitomizes what is wrong with this board. What started as a discussion of a current event deteriorated into unsubstantiated and inflammatory generalizations.  It is wrong to say "conservatives are against free speech," but it is incendiary to say, "all liberals are scum."
Neither remark furthers the issue of the OP.

While certainly a sensitive erogenous zone, the scrotum plays no role in storing cum or shooting it out.  As part of the natural physiology ox sexual stimulation, thee cremaster muscle, which contracts the scrotum, is maximally stimulated just prior to orgasm.