@raphjd said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
It's been discussed here many times before. We were originally told that the vaxx would prevent us from getting/spreading covid.
You continue to be a whore to your Russian masters... forever more!
We've been through this before:
The COVID-19 vaccines do exactly what every other vaccine does, and has done, since 1798 (the first smallpox vaccine - the first ever human vaccine - was invented in 1798).
Let's be clear... first about what vaccines ARE NOT:
- Vaccines (not COVID-19, not Chicken-Pox, not MMR, not the 1798 Smallpox, not Polio, not even the Anthrax vaccine!) do not prevent pathogens (bacteria- or viral-based) from entering the body - that's why researchers and scientists wear "space suits" (protective gear) when researching pathogens - even when they are known & they have been vaccinated!
- Vaccines are not (ever) 100% effective
- Vaccines do not (directly) fight actual diseases or infections!
It's helpful in understanding those statements, if you understand what vaccines are actually developed and designed to do: vaccines are designed to trigger an immune response in those who receive the "treatment". That is: the point of the vaccine is to prepare the host (human body) to more effectively fight (by itself) the targeted pathogen. As a result:
- People with compromised or weak immune systems are not helped (or at least not as much) by vaccines. These are people like the elderly, the very young, and people with certain diseases - like leukemia or HIV (especially if it has progressed to AIDS).
- People who receive a vaccine do not immediately receive a benefit - it takes time for the body to react (and build white-blood-cells as a result).
- Some vaccines can provide a lifetime level of protection - that is, the body "permanently" learns how to "fight" the pathogen. Other vaccines (like the early Polio vaccines, and all "modern" Flu vaccines - and the current COVID-19 vaccines) require a "booster" to "remind" the body of how to fight the pathogen, and to trigger the "correct" immune response quickly enough to prevent illness.
So, why is it Scientists say that vaccines "prevent" the disease? Well, in most cases the pathogens multiply inside the unvaccinated human host, who then spreads the pathogen to others. The longer the infection lasts, the more infectious the original host becomes.
Things work differently in a vaccinated host: when the vaccinated host detects the presence of the pathogen, the vaccine-boosted immune response keeps the levels of pathogen growing in the body much lower. For some pathogens, this means that the level of infection never rises to the point where the host is contagious, in others (with particularly virulent pathogens), it reduces the period of time that they are contagious.
Most pathogens do not make the host sick immediately upon infection... it takes time for the pathogen to "build up" before the effects are noticeable by the infected host. Again, the "pathways" for vaccinated and unvaccinated hosts differ:
- in unvaccinated hosts, the pathogen multiplies quickly and the host is often contagious long before symptoms of illness are felt. Once ill, the infected host often has an inadequate immune response that often contributes to the spread of the pathogen to others: coughing, sneezing, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. The "natural" immune response may - or may not - be effective against the pathogen. Even if it is effective, it takes "some time" for the immune system to successfully eliminate the pathogen, or if it cannot, the host often dies as a result.
- in vaccinated hosts, the pathogen triggers a quick immune response - one that the vaccine has "programmed" to be effective against the pathogen. As a result, the host often "defeats" (clears) the pathogen before it has replicated enough to make the host either contagious or ill. However, some pathogens work very quickly, and it replicates quickly enough that the host DOES become contagious and/or ill - but the immune response (if the vaccine is a good one) still allows the body to effectively eliminate the pathogen with minimal illness and a greatly reduced level and/or length of contagion.
THIS IS HOW THE COVID-19 VACCINES SAVE LIVES
Not through some magic that creates a barrier that prevent the virus from entering the body. Not by directly attacking the COVID-19 virus itself (that would be a TREATMENT - like an antibiotic for some bacterial infections - not a vaccine!).
No, just like all the other vaccines we already have in our lives... by strengthening our own bodies' immune systems! Like we have been doing for over 200 years, now!
No vaccine (and, indeed, no treatment) is 100% effective. But Trump's new m-RNA based vaccines are EXCEPTIONALLY effective, and require a TINY FRACTION of the research and testing time needed to adjust (tweak) for variants - or even for whole other diseases!
The m-RNA technology that Trump jumpstarted will be a game-changer in immunology research! (No, he didn't invent it - but he gave it the funding and attention needed to move it a decade or more along in its research "path"! And that has saved untold thousands - perhaps even millions - of lives!)
And your whining that it doesn't "prevent all infection" (it never could - not even by design!) or "prevent all contagion" (also never could - also by design) won't change any of that! We won't "unlearn" the science, and 10-years from now, MOST of our vaccines will likely be based-on the m-RNA vaccines developed for COVID-19!
Trudeau has been photoed/videoed without a mask, despite his mandates for his own people. It's not just him, but all world leaders.
Again, you act as-if Liberals were the only hypocrites! OK, maybe they're more hypocritical of mask-wearing rules - but that's just one example! Conservative lawmakers are hypocritical in all sorts of areas too!
That doesn't make their hypocrisy any less important or any more acceptable... but dogs who bite need to be handled too - but aren't worthy of headline-level attention!
OK, so some ass clowns joined in. But did the truckers do any of the violence BLM and Antifa did and still do? Your government gives them money while calling truckers "domestic terrorists".
OK, so the Canadian Gov't doesn't list BLM or Antifa as official Terrorist Groups (domestic or otherwise) - and neither do they list Truckers (See here)
Who they DO list includes the Proud Boys and the Three Percenters - organizations who support the overthrow of the current Gov't, vs protesting for change within the current Gov't. (It's a subtle difference - I doubt @raphjd will get it!)
For the record, the Canadian Gov't never called the truckers "domestic terrorists" - they said they were acting like domestic terrorists! There's a difference! I can say @raphjd acts like a Russian agent without meaning that he is actually a Russian agent! (I can show the former, but I cannot prove the latter!)
Glad you've decided to open the forums.