@raphjd said in 99.7% Survive, so why a vaccine when TB kills x1000:

@bi4smooth

Maybe you should read what the FBI and the State Depart did against Trump and for Hillary.

Maybe you should understand that people can ACCUSE the Government of anything and be protected by 1st Amendment rights...

But it's ILLEGAL for Government Employees (much less AGENCIES) to work for or against political candidates... any candidates in any election (even local "dog catcher" elections!). Federal employees have even gotten into trouble campaigning in their own HOAs (Home Owners Associations)!!!

So, just like your "Definitive Proof" that the election was "stolen" - proof that can't be shown in any court of law - your "proof" that people in the FBI and State Departments actively (illegally) helped Hillary's campaign are just as much paper-tigers...

Show me the court case, or stop pretending your case is real!

You're all hat and no horse, dude!

@raphjd said in 'Let them die,' Washington state middle school teacher says of the unvaccinated:

@bi4smooth

Your people are the do-nothing swampies and warhawks, based solely on the 2 losers you named.

One of them is Pelosi's bitch.

Let's face it - you're Trump's bitch... and you only support people who ARE Trump's bitch...

But neither Kinzinger nor Mitchell are in any danger of switching parties!

Trump is already 75 & fast-approaching 80... time to pick new leaders... younger ones! But, since you think that "only Trump" can lead us, there is a vacuum of leadership behind him... Good luck when the Grim Reaper makes his call to Trump... you and your like will be like a rudderless ship... adrift in the sewage you've been making yourselves all along...

@raphjd said in Where's the liberal C-19 outrage?!:

@bi4smooth

Marxism is the utopian liberal concept and communism is the reality.

Of course, you are too dumb to know that.

Silly twit - you understand Marxism about as well as you understand Buddha.

Marxism is a concept designed to understand the basis for, and the success of, certain socioeconomic forms. I has no direct tie to Communism, and was rejected by the USSR and Chinese governments (the 2 largest experiments in Communism in recent history).

Marxism doesn't "pass judgement" on Capitalism - but does predict its ultimate demise as the "rich get richer and the poor get poorer" and assumes that the Capitalist societies can only maintain themselves by continually propagating military conflict.

Of course, the US is no more "purely" Capitalist than we are "purely" democratic (small d)... and we've done quite well, in spite of Marxist predictions.

Once again, your 3rd-Grade understanding of "adult words" shines through! Good work!

@raphjd said in 99.7% Survive, so why a vaccine when TB kills x1000:

@bi4smooth

You really are dumb.

We know that Hillary colluded with Russia via Steele. And as you admit, Trump didn't.

Various parts of the federal government colluded to help ensure Hillary would win.

When "big tech" is acting as Biden's bitch, they are acting as agents of the US government.

If Hillary colluded with the Russians, she didn't get her money's worth... the Russians were FOR TRUMP and would never have worked with her to get shit ON TRUMP. Your assertions don't pass the basic smell test, but with your 3rd-grade view of the world, I'm not surprised you can't see that.

Thank God that, if your assertion (about actual Government agencies working directly with Clinton's campaign) was true, that it didn't happen (that is, that she wasn't elected as President)... While I still think the Trump Presidency was an absolute shit-show, I also still think it was better than what would have happened in yet another Clinton presidency!

I don't regret my vote for Trump in 2016... I regret that he was so awful that I couldn't see myself clear to vote for his re-election.

And finally, when any company works to the benefit of any candidate - that's OK, according to the US Supreme Court. EVEN IF Biden actually put them on the payroll, so long as it was Democrat money (and not actual Federal money), they would be within that RIDICULOUS ruling!

I don't argue that it's wrong - it is - but it's perfectly LEGAL because we (Conservatives) MADE IT LEGAL!!!

Ain't it a bitch when the monster you conjured up turns on you!

Maybe you should read history (and even literature) instead of social media!

@raphjd said in 'Let them die,' Washington state middle school teacher says of the unvaccinated:

@bi4smooth

Remember, you people claim to be the "loving and tolerant" ones, while saying shit like this, rioting, looting, and murdering.

MY PEOPLE (like Rep Adam Kinzinger & Sen Mitch McConnell) want people to get vaccinated and wear masks to protect themselves (and others) against this virus.

MY PEOPLE want our people - everyone! - to stop believing the Chinese & Russian trolls who are polluting our social media platforms with false information in attempts to destabilize our country and de-legitimize Democracy as a whole.

MY PEOPLE does not, and never has, included Antifa or BLM (only in your deluded half-child-mind)

Still, nice example of "whataboutism" - changing the subject of your only partially quoting the teacher to make her sound awful... good work!

@raphjd said in NY State Supreme Court sides with Project Veritas against NYT:

The NY State Supreme Court has sided with Project Veritas in their lawsuit against the New York Times.

This ruling allows the lawsuit to go ahead.

The case hinges on whether the NYT used dishonest tactics by claiming the article is opinion, after portraying it as fact.

Apparently, the case law is clearly on the side of PV on this topic. Also, the various appeals by NYT in this case, the judges have sided with PV.

NYT is citing the law on anti-SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) to prevent this lawsuit. Every court ruling so far, in this case, the judges sided with PV, stating that the lawsuit has nothing to do with SLAPP, but rather "cloaking opinion as fact in an attempt to harm another party".

Make no mistake, the courts have not ruled that PV is correct in the case, but that that is what the lawsuit claims, which makes it a legal lawsuit regardless of SLAPP.

Great post! No hyperbole, no inexplicable sense of outrage... just the facts!
And I especially appreciated the last point of clarification: that the PV suit can go forward is not an indication of the validity of their case, only that the issue is a relevant one and both sides need to be heard.

IMHO the NYT gets full of itself at times... being brought down a peg would not be a bad thing!

Mind you, I do not agree with PV's tactics - and I'm frankly shocked that there hasn't been a liberal counter-punch to it - but that doesn't mean the NYT didn't act wrongly here...

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@raphjd said in 99.7% Survive, so why a vaccine when TB kills x1000:

@bi4smooth

LOL, I misspelled something. It's funny how rabid you get over something so tiny. It clearly is important to you because you have nothing but attacks on my spelling and grammar. You are such a twat.

So, Psaki is a liar then. GOOD ON YA, that's the 1st step to recovery.

We know from Project Veritas, "big tech" all said they would work to prevent Trump from being re-elected. We aren't just talking about flunkies saying that it was said, but we actually have the video of the top bosses saying it themselves.

BTW, the FBI, White House, State Department (probably others), and Russia colluded with Hillary.

So typical... we got caught doing something wrong, so we'll say the other guys were doing it too!

Look: the fact that the Russians interfered - and wanted Trump for President - in 2016 and 2020 is FACT.

The question is (was): did the Trump campaign COLLUDE (work with, or provide or derive support from) the Russians, or was it all coincidental...

The outcome of the investigations was: there was no provable collusion.

For you to IDIOTICALLY them come back and say: they did it too is to re-open the idea that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians in the first place!

Hillary did NOT collude with the Russians... and the Government itself is precluded from working for or against any candidate (doesn't mean it didn't happen, but that it was never investigated to the point of prosecutions means the idea didn't old water where it mattered: in a court of law)

Hillary lost (thankfully) fair and square - because even IF the Russians worked to the benefit of Trump, and even it it is against OUR laws for them to do so, it's not against THEIR laws, and we have no jurisdiction over Russia... so the election happened, Trump won, and the notion that there was collusion has been decided - in Trump's favor. Let the historians take it from here - ca. 2040!

But on the flip side, in 2020 - by the same measure - Biden won. It fucking sucks that the sword cuts both ways, but it does, and it did. There was no collusion, there was no theft of votes... all of these conspiracy theories collapse into dust when presented in a court of law - even when the judge is a Trump appointee and a political hack to start with!

One last thing: did big tech want Biden to win? maybe so! But this is America and they are free-enterprise companies!

Big Tech is not the Government!

If Bill Gates wanted Biden and the Koch brothers wanted Trump and they both spent $billions of their own money to help make that happen -- that's all part of the process!

And while I despise the idea of corporate America being allowed to involve themselves (and their absurdly huge piles of money) in our elections, according to the Conservative US Supreme Court decision commonly called Citizen's United, that's the law... Conservatively led corporations are allowed to interfere, and Liberally led corporations are too...

Maybe, now that the GOP seems to be distancing itself from corporate America (thanks to Trumpism), the Conservative Court will want to re-think that... how will they feel when the large majority of Corporations favor the Democrat party?

Only time will tell - but ONLY A FOOL assumes that political alliances last forever... whether it was corporate America and the GOP or the "greens" and the DNC... political alliances come and go over time!

Remember:

• The GOP is the party of Abe Lincoln and George Wallace
• The DNC is the party of Andrew Johnson (who tried to undo the slave-related Lincoln acts) and Barack Obama...

Politics changes... like the wind... and if it's time for Corporate America to change allegiances, we need to react to that... not bury our heads in the sand and pretend it isn't happening! (IMHO, it's not too late to get Corporate America back into the GOP - but Trumpism isn't going to make that happen. Quite the opposite!)

@raphjd said in Where's the liberal C-19 outrage?!:

@bi4smooth said in Where's the liberal C-19 outrage?!:

@raphjd said in Where's the liberal C-19 outrage?!:

@bi4smooth

Blah, blah, blah

You are a fake-ass Libertarian, unless they decided to support hivemind bs, that you demand.

Mitch is a do-nothing, useless swampie.

BTW, dumb ass, communists are on the left.

Sad that your 1st Grade Education felt that that was in error! However, SOCIALISM is what's leftist, not communism... Google is your friend, ask her!

The point was that it didn't matter where your position was on ANYTHING except Trump... if you don't agree with Trump, you're a Liberal!

AH, so you decided that communism is on the right, so it must be.

I asked Google and she said you're a clown.

Moron: communism is an ECONOMIC system, not a political one.

Communism is the opposite (in current systems) of CAPITALISM... it is neither Liberal nor Conservative...

Socialism, on the other hand, is a political system where the state generally takes care of everybody...

5th Grade Civics class anyone?

@raphjd said in Too late for this guy... will you be next?:

@bi4smooth

You are such a clown.

I am not afraid to look foolish - ask my kids (and their friends) - I'm a very popular neighborhood dad for JUST that reason... but I don't think you meant that as a compliment... c'est la vie - I took it a one anyway!

You voted FOR Biden. The very same man who has made a political career of lying about absolutely everything. He is a self-confessed dictator.

You are so RIGHT! I forgot how I had that stroke just before I voted and completely forgot that my intention was to choose the lesser evil (the same way I did in 2016, albeit the results were different!).

Thank you for reminding me that my FIRST vote for a Democrat for President in 36 years was because I'm secretly a Democrat!

Thank your for re-awakening my inner-liberal... it's been dormant for the past 57 years (oh wait! I'm only 57... maybe I've never actually been a liberal? Much to the chagrin of my college friends who were mostly quite liberal! We used to have interesting arguments, because they used REAL facts and REAL political theories - not lies and wishes. I miss those days...

Back to you... please forgive me in that I had an accident as a small child... unlike you, and most other people, I cannot read minds... I can only dream of a life like yours when you could tell what other people thought just by reading their minds... yours must be such an idyllic life!

You are just so fucking clueless. Psaki has even admitted Biden and Co flag people and posts they want to be removed and/or banned.

You are so tied up in this conspiracy theory, you see causality where there is none. When the parent of a kidnapped child implores the police to find the kidnapper... do you think the police only then start to look? And when they find the child, do they return them to their parents solely because it is at the request of the parents?

Yes: the Democrats see value in stopping the spread of misinformation and lies about COVID-19.. because it's literally killing people! And yes, the BigTech companies believe that they can play a part in this... but not at the DIRECTION and CONTROL of the Government!

FUCKIN-A man, do you think Twitter hated on Donald Trump when he got them MILLIONS of new subscribers in 2016 and 2017? Were they hating on Trump or Conservative voices in 2018 (midterms)? F-no! They were loving all the attention. But when COVID hit, and then the lies and misinformation FROM THE RUSSIANS and CHINESE flooded in in 2020, they realized that their forums couldn't be open to EVERYONE EVERYWHERE because they could easily be used for evil purposes (like undermining our Democracy)...

But no, man - this is all just a conspiracy to thwart the Trumpite movement!

You go with that... Simple, stupid, devoid of facts, but supports your position as a targeted victim of "the man"... so yeah, it works for you!

I hate Fauci because of what he has done, which I have pointed out. You worship him for those same fucked up deeds.

I don't worship Fauci - I defend him (as well as others) against your baseless attacks. I also respect him in his role as a leader (and mouthpiece) for scientists and researchers. But again, I understand how blaming him for HIV, COVID-19, H1N1, and athlete's foot again plays into your "I'm a victim" mentality and need for their to be a "bogey man" to blame...

However, AFTER you seek the emotional and mental counseling you do desperately need, you may come to realize that - EVEN IF COVID-19 was accidentally unleashed on humanity by the Chinese - it's still not the fault of the President of the US (neither one: D or R), and that the important thing to do now is to fight it - and that means vaccines and masks - REGARDLESS of the messenger!

You can't say why you hate Trump other than "because he's Trump". I can point out exactly why I hate Fauci.

Actually, I can't say why I hate Trump... because... well, I don't hate Trump! I don't agree with Trump, and I think putting him into power greatly diminished the US on the world stage (which Biden has NOT helped with - what with this Afghanistan fiasco!) and threatened the core of our Democracy... but I also don't agree with Biden's attempt to just spend spend spend us into whatever utopian dream he came up with last night! And I don't hate him either!

But I will do whatever SMALL PART I can to ensure that NEITHER man is offered the position of US President in 2024!

Let's be clear, despite your bullshit, the vaccines are still not approved for general use. So stop the lies and diversions.

And it's Wednesday... be careful NOT to plan for Friday! Your ass might shred!
The FDA has said "by September"... it's August....

You do the math...

The FDA is no more or less political than any other federal department and we have seen how political they are.

Other than illness rates, C-19 isn't really changing much.

I know - it's not really a big deal, so long as you're OK with primarily Republicans buying into your bullshit, and mostly Republicans dying from it.

How is your statement different from the lady you were denouncing who said (using the FULL quote) "We have to let them die"??? Except that her words were more direct...

The Mayo Clinic clearly, in their own words said that getting the vaccine will prevent you from getting C-19. That is a lie. You keep defending a lie. I quoted exactly what they said on their website and provided the link. You are the one making up shit to defend them.

If you believe that the Mayo Clinic meant to imply that the COVID-19 vaccines were new and special and that, unlike every other vaccine developed in history, actually prevented the virus from entering your body (funny, my skin doesn't FEEL plasticized! Does yours?)... well then, you go boy... use that 3rd Grade science education to its fullest!

News flash tho... when you get to 5th Grade science, they're gonna ROCK YOUR WORLD! Get ready for SPERM AND EGG! And I don't mean for Breakfast!

Social media is where lots of your fellow liberals get their news. This is why they are so important.

Social media is a giant gossip rag... it is NOT a place for NEWS! Not even NEIGHBORHOOD news!

Not news for liberals (actually, let them get their news there - better that THEY are the ones being misled than Conservatives!)... not news for communists... not news for Brits... not news for ANYONE! It's just never been a news source PERIOD!

Ah, because I disagree with you, I am incapable of independent thought. Ok, dearie.

You may have original thoughts - I've just never seen them HERE... I can't read minds, so maybe there are original thoughts... care to share a few?

@raphjd said in 'Let them die,' Washington state middle school teacher says of the unvaccinated:

@bi4smooth

As expected, you defend this kind of shit.

As usual, you spin this to maximum negative light...

If you'd made the comment "Let them die" in January (2021) - when we didn't know much about the vaccines, among many other aspects of this disease and its spread... that would have been crass and uncaring.

Making that comment in August (2021) - when we know (factually) that the vaccines work and are safe and plentiful (at least here in the US), but where politics has UNNECESSARILY been injected into public health... where people are given the facts and asked to help prevent the spread of this disease with 2 simple things: get vaccinated, & wear a mask indoors - but politics (and in most cases, solely politics) stops people from doing so ... AND they're the ones dying (or at least 90% of those dying)... and when put into the context that I've been using - which is "what else can we do?"... well then, "Let them die" isn't crass and uncaring, its exhaustion and resignation... it's all we can do... we're pretty much OUT of options! (Shit, SOME of these people have been offered $1000 to take the vaccine - by their employers - but still refuse!)

When you get to the Pearly Gates and St Peter tells YOU you're too early, don't be surprised when he tells you:

"We sent you THREE vaccines and a plethora of masks! What else could we do?"

@raphjd said in 'Let them die,' Washington state middle school teacher says of the unvaccinated:

https://thepostmillennial.com/let-them-die-washington-teacher-unvaccinated?utm_campaign=64470

More "loving and tolerant" liberals

Y'all don't need her permission to die.....

A man hears on the radio that a hurricane is coming and that he should evacuate! Instead, he grabs his bible and starts to pray for God to save him!
In about an hour, the police come by in a small boat, as the water is rising into his home... but he refuses to go with them, grasping his bible even tighter and imploring his God to save him!
30-minutes later, the Coast Guard comes by in a large boat - the water is now hip-deep in his living room, but again he refuses to go with them. Instead, he takes his bible and climbs to the roof of his home where he stands, arms wide and asks God to forgive his sins and to save him from the storm!
A short while later, the National Guard circles overhead in a helicopter... a guardsman comes down a rope ladder, but the man refuses to go, telling him he is CERTAIN that his God will save him!

Hours later, the man, having drowned in the storm, arrives at the Pearly Gates of Heaven... St Peter welcomes him, thanks him for living such a wonderful life, also but says he is so sad that he is so very early. There was much more for him to do!

Early? the man replied! He had prayed - hard! - for God to save him! He assumed that it must have just been his time!

Oh no! St. Peter replied: We sent 2 boats and a helicopter! What else could we have done?

Unvaccinated people have been given the information: The vaccines are free (at least in the US they are) to all: legal and illegal, insured and not. They are provably safe and effective (500 million times over now).
If you choose to ignore the gifts that God has given us to fight this disease, who are we to stop you from your own horrible, agonizing (suffocating) death?
It is a FREE country!

As I've said before: harsh? yes! But Mother Nature is a mean and vengeful bitch and if you give her virus the opportunity to kill you, she will take it - and neither the virus nor Mother Nature will give a damn about your race, religion, color, creed, money, or politics!

@raphjd said in Where's the liberal C-19 outrage?!:

@bi4smooth

Blah, blah, blah

You are a fake-ass Libertarian, unless they decided to support hivemind bs, that you demand.

Mitch is a do-nothing, useless swampie.

BTW, dumb ass, communists are on the left.

Sad that your 1st Grade Education felt that that was in error! However, SOCIALISM is what's leftist, not communism... Google is your friend, ask her!

The point was that it didn't matter where your position was on ANYTHING except Trump... if you don't agree with Trump, you're a Liberal!

@raphjd said in 99.7% Survive, so why a vaccine when TB kills x1000:

@bi4smooth

You forgot D, where the President's Admin tells them what and who to ban, as we have now.

Also under D, they ban speech that runs counter to the liberal agenda

C is extremely dishonest because, as you and I have discussed before, prior to Section 230, they were only liable if they moderated the speech (publisher) but they were NOT liable if they acted as a platform. In either case, it was their duty to remove illegal content, such as kiddie porn and whatnot. This is still the case under Section 230.

Section 230 is the special right for "big tech" to be cunts to those they disagree with.

Let's not forget that Parlor was found not to have been the platform where your beloved 6 Jan was set up. That was FB and Twitter.

You silly twit - I have no issues with Parler! (For a Conservative, I'd think you'd know how to SPELL it!)... they are a platform VERY MUCH like Twitter! They are an independent company VERY MUCH like Twitter! They have millions of subscribers VERY MUCH like Twitter!

If Parler wants to ban Liberal speech, they have the right to!

Again, as you often do, you lose the forest for the trees! I do not support Twitter and FB de-platforming users... but I also think it is THEIR business if they do! There is no 1st Amendment issue because there is no Government involvement!

If you could clench your ass-cheeks and stop the bleeding out your asshole, you'd realize that I'm looking at this systemically - I don't want Government interference in private enterprise. You're looking at specific cases where the "systems" they put into place offended you.

I think you tweak the "system" to be less offensive (knowing you'll never please anyone - least of all you, personally, @raphjd)... you think you throw it out and either have full Governmental control (fascist) or no controls at all (anarchist).

I still say your PREMISE that the Government is FORCING the big-tech firms to delete posts is false... I think that if there was Government pressure to do so, they'd say so and make a fuss about it! That would be a Government intrusion into their realm, and an unwelcome one at that.

Funny that we can accept that Russians interfered in the 2016 elections for the benefit of Trump - but that he didn't collude with them, they acted on their own. Although it benefited the Trump Campaign, they didn't control it at all...

Yet, when we look at Big Tech, the fact that they're working against Trump is sufficient to imply collusion with the Democrats and/or the Government....

You sound like a F**ing Democrat!

@raphjd said in Too late for this guy... will you be next?:

I didn't say YOU blame Trump, but your fellow liberals have, and still do. Remember, you people constantly blame Trump for everything. It was the Dems that no matter what Trump did, it was always wrong, even if he did what they wanted.

I see - let's follow in your examples and push your argument here to its extremes... you're a nationalist and a fascist (that is: you believe in country first - even above humanity as a whole, and you believe Trump is "the answer" - "the only answer" - to our "problems" and should be followed "religiously" (with no oversight or control - absolute power!)... so, since that's you, I will hold you responsible for the Holocaust, Jim Crow, and the death of Jesus Christ - because those are all actions taken by people with the same beliefs! Seems to follow!

Oh, those aren't your REAL beliefs - but they're exaggerated claims of your beliefs! So that still works in your "example"....

The "accepted science", as you admit was garbage.

I credit Trump for looking at everything that might help and not just listening to the asshole who funded GOFR in the very lab that C-19 came from.

It's also the same asshole who said that GOFR was worth a global pandemic or 2.

I'm sorry that your personal nightmares appear to always include Dr. Fauci - that's not the case for the rest of humanity.

You claim I have "Trump Derangement Syndrome" because you think I "blame" Trump for everything (which is not true - I give Trump credit for a LOT of things - even COVID-19 related things: Trump designed the contracts that not only led to the discovery/development of the COVID-19 vaccines, but also made them "fixed cost" to the Government for as long as we need them! I thought it obvious, but to spell it out for you: Trump has saved taxpayers $billions in drug costs for those vaccines!)

You, however, clearly have Fauci Derangement Syndrome: Fauci, in your eyes, is pure, unmitigated, and irredeemable evil incarnate! If Fauci came out in favor of brushing your teeth, you'd let yours fall out rather than comply!

Just because you aren't "officially" a member,.....

And you're not a card-carrying NAZI either???? Am I following properly?

Correct, you are not a strawman. You are the person HERE that constantly defends the DNC.

That is DEMONSTRABLY not true - in fact, I SELDOM come out in favor of Dems at all - what I DO do - consistently - is point out where your DEMONIZATION of your opponents goes off the rails. As happens frequently, we agree on the underlying premise - I just don't stand for the hyperbole and made-up facts!

• You think you need to make Nancy Pelosi out to be a child-eating deamon that should be sent back to the hell from which she was spawned
• I think Nancy Pelosi is a Democrat who wants to do Democrat things - things I don't like (similar to when my dog used to pee on the floor when no one was at home... I didn't like it, but WTF: he's a dog!). I do not need to demonize Nancy to think she's wrong (about most things: the budget, the border, military spending, "Green" laws...the list is long!... but, not everything! Wearing masks on the House floor is a GOOD idea - for the health and safety of members and staff).
• You think I'm "evil" (a Liberal) because I don't like Trump - I think he was autocratic, nationalist, fascist (which is redundant, given that I already said he was autocratic and a nationalist), and an egomaniac.
• I don't think HE was good for our country, and I don't think his what's good for Trump is good for the Country stands up to history very well... but I also don't think he's evil, nor was he out to hurt anyone - just out for Trump (and no one else)...
• You think that, to win an argument, you have to be accepted as correct and vindicated on every point: every I dotted, every T crossed, every punctuation mark confirmed.... You also seem to think that repeating yourself and raising your tone HELPS your argument (it does not)
• I think that arguing is a teaching tool.... often, neither person is entirely correct, and often neither person is entirely wrong.

Still not fully approved and classed as experimental with the drug companies full exempt from any harm caused.

Yes - and it's not Wednesday yet, so let's just assume that it's Taco Tuesday ALL THE TIME and FOREVER! (The FDA has said approval should be completed "by September"... I don't know... only 500 million+ doses given so far... I think there needs to be more study! LOL)

I'm sure the FDA delayed the authorization on purpose.

It's all a conspiracy! The reptiles are controlling all of this to kill off all of the humanoids!

Or, maybe (just maybe) it's Government bureaucracy and incompetence that's lead to it taking this long... but to call it a "delay" is insane... these approvals normally take 2-3 years... this will be a FULL approval in 9-months...

You are all over the map. You demand we believe (and worship) the CDC, but when you don't like what's on the website then fuck 'em.

I'm actually rather consistent: you have to look at the latest data because data in this area are changing RAPIDLY! In April, 1% of COVID-19 cases in the US were of the Delta variant. Today, it's over 90%... and it's killing kids, where 6-months ago they were hardly impacted by the virus at all.

It reminds me of your bizarre claims that the Mayo Clinic didn't really mean that getting the vaccine would prevent you from getting C-19, despite them actually stating that on their website.

Your claim is the bizarre one: that the Mayo Clinic said that, unlike any other vaccine in history, THIS ONE creates a magic barrier that prevents COVID-19 from getting into your body.

Typical you: you're taking someone's "simplification" of a piece of data, and then extrapolating it into ridiculous ways... and using your extrapolations to disprove their statements... which were true (as written and as intended to be interpreted)...

Hey, you are a massive defender of social media and muh science. You previously said you were against spreading misinformation, but you have no qualms about your beloved social media dictating what is truth and what is a lie.

Social media is great for sharing pics of your dick and vagina, as well as sharing vacation photos and what you had for dinner and who came to your anti-vax party!

Social media sucks as a source of news and factual data about anything. (Even people's dick-pics are usually enhanced, or taken from "flattering" angles!)

You've been extremely silent on the fact that Biden has been working with social media, making them a de facto government agency, to block and ban people that they don't like what they say. No 1st Amendment concerns from you.

I don't think that's true: I don't think ANY of the social media companies are being controlled by, nor would they tolerate control by, the Government. An "atta boy" from Biden is hardly "collusion"...

Conspiracy theory anyone?

But to your point about my thoughts: NO it would NOT be OK if the Government were telling social media companies who or what to censor...

If AOC cared, so would you.

AOC sucks your dick, not mine! I don't follow her (she's really a rather toothless-dragon.. more an annoyance, and a whiny one at that... kinda like Rand Paul is to the Republican Party in the Senate)...

Grammarly, is pretty rubbish despite how expensive it is.

Try "Middle School English for dummies" - it's on Amazon

You voted for him.

Let's not forget what your fellow liberals have said about the last President.

Again with the generalizations that are contrary to the specifics... I voted AGAINST Trump (he was a danger to our Democracy - a fear that was DEMONSTRATED on Jan 6!)... If I asked you: would you rather I shit on your dinner or pee in your drink... and you chose one, would that mean you're into piss or crap? Maybe in your world... not mine.

Here we are once again.

You can't stop defending Biden and social media.

I defend free commerce & Capitalism.... even when companies make decisions I don't like! (My local paper dropped about HALF of their Sunday comics... fuckers! But it's their paper! They can run whatever they want! If I want to read those comics, I can find them in other places!)

You defend Autocracy & Fascism.

I didn't know that the Raving Looney party has a branch in the US. I thought it was only in the UK.

There are some loonies in the UK, I'll grant you that... and there are definitely loonies here too (Rand Paul and AOC both come to mind quickly!)... But "moderation" has become a 4-letter word in politics - and people like you are the reason!

Did you get that from Rachel Maddow or the BBC? Maybe the CBC or ABC? Maybe you got that from when CNN was faking Chris Cuomo was on his deathbed from C-19 but was caught being a dickhead and arguing with a cyclist because Chris thinks bike lanes aren't for bikes. Maybe you heard if from Don Lemon during one of his anti-white man tirades, just before he went home to get fisted by his white husband.

Well, unlike you, I am capable of independent, reasoned thought. My prediction that Trump entering the 2024 Presidential race before the 2022 midterms would doom Republican chances to retake the legislature is purely my own opinion. I say so because Trump (love him or hate him) is a polarizing figure that fires up a larger portion of the the Dem base than the portion of the Republican base that fervently support him.

This will be a shocker to you: Elections are about getting the right voters to the polls... if Trump fires up 10 million of HIS followers to go out and vote for his candidates in 2022, but also fires up 15 million Dems to go vote "anything BUT Trump" in the same election, the Republicans lose... Not EVERYWHERE, but enough where's!

@raphjd said in 99.7% Survive, so why a vaccine when TB kills x1000:

@serenity

Like it or not, both of you are quoting someone.

I don't agree with what he is saying, but your source has also been caught lying to us.

Query: Which sounds more like a NAZI state?

• In Country A, private companies are allowed to determine - on their own - what content people are allowed to post. The barrier to entry in the marketplace is essentially zero, and startups in the content distribution space are numerous and varied.
• In Country B, private companies are told by the Government what speech is allowed, and what speech is not allowed. Companies who wish to be content providers must register with the Government (given that the Internet is not in any one country, I'm clueless which Government you would want that to be...) and must allow Government auditors to view posts and removals to ensure that they comply with Government rules.

... and for completeness:

• Country C, where private companies who distribute content are required by the Government to allow any and all voices to be heard, but are also held legally liable for every piece of content posted on their site. Companies initially start-up and try to handle the onslaught of messages. User fees to cover the cost of editing the content are about $100/month, but are not enough to cover costs, so companies change to requiring users who want to POST content to "buy a license". Within 6-months, the companies just close up... there is no more "social media" as the companies cannot afford the liability insurance and/or the users are not willing to pay for access.

@raphjd said in Carl Sagan's advise on Critical Thinking:

@bi4smooth

Clearly, you are a Fauni worshipper.

Take 2 documents and compare them and if they match, they are talking about the same thing. That is what Rand Paul did.

The official NIH definition of GOFR and what Fauci paid Bill Gate's Eco-Health to do in Wuhan matched.

You don't need to be an expert to know that the 2 things matched.

Seriously dude, pull your head out of Fauci's ass.

Seriously, dude - pull your EGO out of your own ass...

You still seem to think that your "I Got a C+ in High School Science Class (even though I blew the teacher to get the +)" is more enlightened and informed about genetic research than.... oh, the PhDs who make it their life's work?

We're not talking about 2-paragraph documents (where some Technical Writer has tried to summarize 3,000 pages of research into 2 paragraphs or 100 words, whichever is shorter)... we're talking about knowing and understanding the WORDS in the paragraphs...

I'm still waiting to see your CV - Masters in Biology even? (That'd be more germane to the topic than Paul's Ophthalmology!)

When we want a proofer to validate that manual duplication of 2-paragraph documents are unchanged, we'll certainly call you first! That's your special purpose! (apparently)

@raphjd said in Where's the liberal C-19 outrage?!:

@kinkyrican

Funny how you do what you claim not to like.

I smell a liberal.

Don't worry, @kinkyrican - to @raphjd, EVERYTHING non-Trumpite is a Liberal...

• Libertarians are liberals (it's almost in their name!)
• White Nationalists who do NOT follow Trump are Liberals
• Communists who do NOT follow Trump are Liberals
• Corey Lewandowski (Trump Campaign Manager who "turned on" Trump) is now a Liberal
• Mitch McConnell (who voted with the Dems on this latest Infrastructure bill) is now a Liberal

If the political spectrum were to be drawn with Trump at a 10, and AOC at a 0, anything less than 9.9999999 would be a Liberal! (You are allowed to not like Trump's ties - nothing more tho!)

@raphjd said in Too late for this guy... will you be next?:

@bi4smooth

Let's be honest here. Come on, try it for once.

If Covid started during Obama and Trump said the same shit as Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, etc, etc, etc you would have and still have a massive cow.

It doesn't matter who was President when COVID-19 hit - even if the Chinese manufactured the virus and then lost control of it, it is not, has never been, and I could not fathom how it could become the US President's fault that COVID-19 hit us! I've never blamed Trump for COVID-19!

I do blame Trump for "giving up" on the Scientific approach to a response to COVID-19, though! His initial responses to COVID-19 were coming DIRECTLY from the scientists (who were wrong, but their viewpoints were the "accepted science" of the time)... but Trump (like you) seemed to think that if the scientists got it wrong once, they're just a "bunch of losers" and couldn't ever be trusted again, so he looked elsewhere for answers - answers that supported HIM in his re-election campaign! Nevermind any kind of FACTS, it quickly became about DEFLECTION and the CAMPAIGN! (And that cost us many thousands of lives... the fact that COVID-19 also cost him the election was pretty much a foregone conclusion by May/June of 2020... there just wasn't going to be a way - science-based or fairy-tale-based - to "recover" enough from COVID-19 to NOT get blamed by the electorate. It wasn't fair, but life ISN'T fair! Never was, shouldn't ever expect it to become fair!

Because it was your beloved DNC that said that crap, against Trump, you are defending it.

I'm not a member of the DNC, and you know it.

I am not the straw-man you're looking for...

The vaccine still has not gone through full testing, which is why it's classed as experimental and the makers are exempt from any harm caused.

The Pfizer vaccine is a couple of weeks, if not just days, away from getting FULL FDA approval (beyond the emergency approval). The Moderna vaccine is just a couple of weeks behind that. The FULL approval process is just paperwork at this point. 300-million+ doses have been given out in the US alone, and the health/safety protocols are already very well known.

And to be clear: These are vaccines created by, funded by, and spurred by the Republican President - Project Warp Speed was created in April, 2020 by the Trump Administration. Honestly, if the first vaccines had been ready in Sept or maybe even Oct 2020 (instead of getting their original emergency approval in Dec, 2020 - a month AFTER the election), it could have easily have swayed the Election in Trump's favor. Woulda, shoulda, coulda... didn't happen that way. Wasn't fair (see above on fair).

As we discussed in previous threads, fewer kids have died from Covid than have gotten any of the single life-altering side effects from the various vaccines. This isn't "fake" news, this comes from the CDC's own data.

That's just bullshit - especially when looking at the DELTA variant, which - unlike the original virus - IS making kids sick (deathly so). Even kids under 12 who CANNOT get the vaccine!

Oh and let's not forget that quoting from the CDC, NIH, WHO and any other legit medical body can get you banned from your beloved, can do no wrong, social media.

You're so focused on your social media feeds... a GREAT DEAL of what you read on social media is bullshit - people who (not unlike you) will see a story, don't even bother to read it (beyond the headline or 1st paragraph), but reference it in their own fact-deficient diatribe about how they see things!

I'm so sorry you got butt-hurt for re-posting something that you think was perfectly OK... it wasn't my call, I honestly have no idea about the facts (or, more correctly, about your post) - because I just don't care! But, you are also (apparently) butt-hurt that I don't want to shoot the social media platforms in the head because you got your feelings hurt. C'est la vie. I can live with that. LOL

You President has admitted through his mouthpiece that he is working with your beloved social media to ban certain content and people, who post things that the Der Fuerh doesn't like. That makes your beloved social media agents of the state, thus a 1st Amendment violation.

You need a better spelling and grammar checker... LOL Still:

• He's only my President in so far as he is EVERY American's President - so I won't argue your perspective there... but the idea of the Government supporting private enterprise in dampening the actual harm being done to our country - in many MANY cases by foreign adversaries! - by removing posts that contain mis-information about COVID-19 isn't scary to me...

What would be scary would be if the Government overreached and:

• Decided for itself what was TRUE and what was FALSE, and then FORCED the companies to comply. This ain't that: the companies police themselves, with nothing but the verbal support of the Government - essentially saying "good job! what you're doing is good for our country!"
• Decided for itself that the companies COULD NOT police their own (private) networks.
• Government TELLING (forcing) private companies how to run their business is a bad idea.Government thanking and supporting private companies for stepping up and doing the right thing is a GOOD idea!

Another example of this is the recent number of corporations deciding - on their own - to take initiative on global warming. Cool! All in favor, say Aye! All opposed? choose to buy from other companies if you must, but its THEIR company, they can run it however they like! BUT! The Government "Green New Deal" that seeks to FORCE companies into making GREEN initiatives is overreach, and a BAD idea. Companies in an open and free marketplace make the right moves... even if it takes a while.

As Winston Churchill once said about us: "You can always trust the Americans to DO THE RIGHT THING... once they've tried everything else!" LOL

At best, your party is the do-nothing, warhawk, swamp party. At worst, your party is the Pelosi is god party.

My party is trying to figure out what to do Post-Trump, and is being sidelined by the notion that we may not yet be Post-Trump.

If Trump declares his candidacy for President in 2024 before the 2022 midterms, he will DOOM the party's hopes of retaking the House and/or Senate.. and his chances in 2024 are NIL! He has reduced the size of his support base every year since 2016, and it's smaller still than it was in 2020...

@kinkyrican said in Where's the liberal C-19 outrage?!:

Your posts in this thread just might be the most sound argument and sane perspective I've heard a Republican voice since McCain died.

Thank you for the kind words of support. I seldom get any support at all in here, so it is genuinely appreciated!

Careful though! @raphjd is certain that I am a faker... nevermind a 40-year history being registered in the Republican party (tho, admittedly, I do not always vote Republican - it depends on the candidate!)...

But, I'm not a Trumpite, and so to him (and some others), I'm no longer welcome to call myself a Republican... When their opinion matters, I'll break out the tea - because there will be ice all over hell!