Torrance police find 300 unopened recall ballots, with gun, drugs and mail, in sleeping man's car
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https://abc7.com/recall-election-stolen-ballots-vote-by-mail-torrance-police/10969902/
Let's remember that, despite repeatedly having new cases of it, voter fraud does not happen in the US.
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@raphjd said in Torrance police find 300 unopened recall ballots, with gun, drugs and mail, in sleeping man's car:
https://abc7.com/recall-election-stolen-ballots-vote-by-mail-torrance-police/10969902/
Let's remember that, despite repeatedly having new cases of it, voter fraud does not happen in the US.
You silly Trumpite! Not even the Democrat Supervisors of Elections say there was NO fraud in the 2020 election... only that there was no SYSTEMIC fraud, and no evidence of any irregularity that would rise to an amount that could have changed the outcome of the 2020 election... in any State, much less the Electoral College as a whole.
Fraud happens... but even this wasn't that! This wasn't fraud (at least, not yet!)... read your own f--ing story, dude!
This guy had ballots. Unopened, un-marked ballots.
Now, maybe in your 3rd-grade-educated mind that meant he just had to open them & fill them out to successfully commit fraud & vote 300 times... but that's only because you think ELECTION ballots are as simple as your book-club ballots... and they are not.
Each of those ballots are traceable to who they were mailed to. When they are received, they have to be validated. In this case, signatures have to match - among several levels of verification. Read more here, if you want.
We've been doing this (having elections) for over 250 years now... we have pretty much made it foolproof, but not yet damned-fool-proof (fools can surprise you!)... The simplistic methods you seem to think could be used to alter the outcome of an election were accounted for over 100 years ago!
And once again, you've hollered FIRE! when all there REALLY is to see here is another match!
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I do love how you keep defending these kinds of things.
I guess the Carter/Baker Commission lied because ass clowns like you know best.
I guess you are too high on the fumes from Pelosi's panties to know better.
We heard how during the 2020 election, all manner of fraud, including accepting late ballots, signatures not matching, and many other things. But of course, you know best because Joy Reid, Rachel Maddow, Honest Joe, and the rest told you their version of the truth.
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It's interesting that almost all voter fraud is done by democrats.
There needs to be severe penalties for voter fraud, and they need to LOOK for voter fraud.
For example, in the 2020 election in Atlanta Georgia, they have numerous video feeds of the staff of the voting precinct going home for the night.. except for one woman and her daughter. The two of them then pulled cases of ballots that were hidden under tables with sheets on top of them. And they tabulated those fraudulent ballots several times through the machines while everybody else was gone.
Georgia is quite Republican.. except for the one tiny county of Atlanta. That one county flipped the state for Democrats.
The USA is comprised of 2974 counties. Across the country, Donald Trump won 2,497 counties. Joe Biden: 477 counties. Trump won 84% of the counties - even WITH the massive democrat fraud. -
@lololulu19 said in Torrance police find 300 unopened recall ballots, with gun, drugs and mail, in sleeping man's car:
It's interesting that almost all voter fraud is done by democrats.
There needs to be severe penalties for voter fraud, and they need to LOOK for voter fraud.
For example, in the 2020 election in Atlanta Georgia, they have numerous video feeds of the staff of the voting precinct going home for the night.. except for one woman and her daughter. The two of them then pulled cases of ballots that were hidden under tables with sheets on top of them. And they tabulated those fraudulent ballots several times through the machines while everybody else was gone.
Georgia is quite Republican.. except for the one tiny county of Atlanta. That one county flipped the state for Democrats.
The USA is comprised of 2974 counties. Across the country, Donald Trump won 2,497 counties. Joe Biden: 477 counties. Trump won 84% of the counties - even WITH the massive democrat fraud.The idea that Secretaries of State and Supervisors of Elections do not look for - and find people attempting to vote illegally - is absurd on its face.
What you're REALLY trying to say is: they needed to have FOUND fraud to explain why Trump lost... but, you silly twit, they DID look - in many cases, they did HAND recounts! There was no significant fraud! - YES, there was some attempted fraud - there always is! And sometimes there are mistakes - thats why there are paper records and recounts.
The Atlanta example you cite has been widely debunked - not by Democrats or Republicans, but by non-partisan supervisors of elections -- not only in the Atlanta county you cite, but in other jurisdictions as well.
And finally, the demographics of GA are a perfect example of the CHANGING demographics of the parties! (And no, there is not just 1 county in and for the City of Atlanta... the sprawl of the city means that Fulton, Cobb, Gwinnette, & DeKalb are all largely Democratic now...) The suburban counties a little farther out - like Coweta, Douglas, Fayette, and Henry - are quickly turning Blue! This isn't happening because of Democrat fraud - it happening because the Republican Party is more popular in RURAL locations, and the Democrats are more popular in URBAN settings. (BTW: I went to college in Atlanta in the 1980's - which is how I know the "layout" of the city reasonably well... that said, I think there are a couple of other counties that are purple-blue in the Atlanta area that I didn't think of... PLUS you shouldn't count out the smaller cities in GA - which are also turning Blue: Savannah, Augusta, Macon, & Columbus all have populations over 150,000!
This is why RED states with large cities are turning Purple! The cities are growing FASTER than the rest of the rural areas, and as a result Dems are getting more people in the state overall. Florida was one of the first this happened to (and it continues here), but the successes of the cities in the other large Southern states is having similar effects in TX & AZ too!
The problem we're going to have in FL (where I live now) is that people - especially in the suburbs - are LEAVING the Republican Party in DROVES. They're not going Democrat, they're just changing their party affiliation to NONE (Independent)! The operative question will be: how will they VOTE in 2022 and 2024! If they choose to abandon the Republican Party at the polls too, we will suffer EXTREME losses at the state level - where we (Republicans have been "in-charge" for decades now!)
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@raphjd said in Torrance police find 300 unopened recall ballots, with gun, drugs and mail, in sleeping man's car:
I do love how you keep defending these kinds of things.
I guess the Carter/Baker Commission lied because ass clowns like you know best.
I guess you are too high on the fumes from Pelosi's panties to know better.
We heard how during the 2020 election, all manner of fraud, including accepting late ballots, signatures not matching, and many other things. But of course, you know best because Joy Reid, Rachel Maddow, Honest Joe, and the rest told you their version of the truth.
No, you silly TWIT, I din't defend the guy with the ballots... but as I said in my original reply:
Read your own references!
The ballots were blank and sealed. They have no idea why he had them (at least not at the time the article was written): he could have been a Postal Employee, or he could have stolen them thinking they'd have checks in them - or he could have been an idiot, totally unaware of how elections are run, and intended to try to cast them a ballots -- which, as I've pointed out, wouldn't have worked! The key though is: THEY DON'T KNOW YET!
Read your own references!
I didn't (and still don't) defend this guy having a bunch of ballots he shouldn't have - and that clearly wasn't the point of my reply.... but you don't care about that, you just want to throw recriminations and pretend like you know something others do not so you can justify your BIG LIE that fraud cost Trump (but no other Republicans) the 2020 election... I know you're trying hard.. but you should perhaps follow the old adage: Try smarter, not harder
Because what I don't SUPPORT is your absurd (likely because you only read the headline) assertion that this was evidence of actual voter fraud! (Even if the intent was to eventually commit fraud, he/they never got that far, so you "shot your wad" too quickly there!)
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Sorry, you are right, the guy had no ill intent. He was just helping the postman deliver the ballots before he got sidetracked and passed out.
As we have seen with 2020 elections, they didn't always match signatures.
It's odd that your beloved DNC would choose the very way that the Carter-Baker Commission said was the easiest way to commit voter fraud.
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@raphjd said in Torrance police find 300 unopened recall ballots, with gun, drugs and mail, in sleeping man's car:
Sorry, you are right, the guy had no ill intent. He was just helping the postman deliver the ballots before he got sidetracked and passed out.
As we have seen with 2020 elections, they didn't always match signatures.
It's odd that your beloved DNC would choose the very way that the Carter-Baker Commission said was the easiest way to commit voter fraud.
well, NATURALLY you know more about the case than the police or the reporter who wrote the story. So long as we all agree that your knowledge is greater than that of anyone else (in the known universe), we'll drop this one too...
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Well, you assumed an innocent reason for him having the ballots.
I mean, it's not like you to downplay everything I post.
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@raphjd said in Torrance police find 300 unopened recall ballots, with gun, drugs and mail, in sleeping man's car:
Well, you assumed an innocent reason for him having the ballots.
I did nothing of the kind - I stated that there were a LOT of potential explanations (tho I honestly do believe he thought he had something that would be of value - like government checks - and much less likely that he was interested in the election).
I said they didn't know yet (at least not in that reporting)... In so far as I haven't followed up on that story, I personally still don't know what his motivations might have been.
I mean, it's not like you to downplay everything I post.
Not every post - there was one earlier this month when you must've been on your meds... you quoted the facts and didn't extrapolate anything extremist about them. You even posited that whatever it was could be interpreted different ways!
And I replied to that post saying literally that yours was an excellent reply and exactly on-point!
But a majority of your posts here are filled with hyperbole and sometimes complete falsehoods.
You'd be surprised at how many times I agree with your underlying premise, just not your message or vehicle to support your premise. You prefer hyperbole, fire, brimstone, and even made-up data to DRIVE HOME your beliefs... I prefer logic and data... real data.
And when you scream out "fire" and I look closely and barely see a spark - yes, I'm going to call you out on it! And when you post a reference (and I read that reference - and it doesn't support your argument at all), I will continue to call you out on that as well!
Depending on the laziness of the average reader to NOT actually read your references, but just assume you have a supporting argument in that reference is disingenuous at best.
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No, you are just a combative old twat that needs to pick a fight.
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@raphjd said in Torrance police find 300 unopened recall ballots, with gun, drugs and mail, in sleeping man's car:
No, you are just a combative old twat that needs to pick a fight.
LOL - you GO boy!