@blackheart88 said in Sheriff Presents Evidence of Felony Fraud in Election Commission's Actions: Wisconsin:
ok first, i said potential for errors and irregularities in my granny case. I never said she could turn in both ballots under her name. The other two ballots under previous occupants, weren't they uniquely coded like you said? couldn't they be filled out and turned in?
If the entries on the Voter Rolls were still present AND the person filling out the ballot could successfully pass the ID tests (signature or notarized witness or copy of photo ID - different jurisdictions use different methods to ensure the person who returned the ballot is legit the same person on the Voter Roll.
People who insist there was "so much fraud" in the mail-in-ballot process seem to literally think that the people who make running free and fair elections their professions are stupid, new-at-this, and/or part-time... none of which is true!
There are LAYERS of protections - and yet, there CAN be some "bad ones" that get through... but that is the case in the in-person balloting as well (witness the old man who attempted to vote while impersonating his son! If the poll worker hadn't personally recognized the man, he'd have gotten away with it!)
2nd. I didn't say any specific citizen should be deprived of their right to vote. just pointed out the reason video claimed voter fraud because a severe cognitive impaired elder couldn't remember anything beyond JFK, cast her ballot one month before she passed away. Check Doe vs Row, 2001.
There are all kinds of scenarios that make end-of-life balloting tricky: what about the man who keels over of a heart attack while literally walking out the door of his precinct's polling place? What about the LOL (Little Old Lady) who dies the morning of Election Day, but mailed her ballot in a week earlier?
There are published rules in each jurisdiction about those cases - and they're all different. But the fact is, voting is SELDOM about 1 - or even 1000 votes. While it DOES happen that some are decided by a tiny fraction of votes, by far most elections are decided by full percentage-points, representing 1000's of votes...
3rd I didn't say mail in ballot a new thing. I'm aware of its existence in several states. I'm sure those states have done it for a long time, fine tuning to the point of "a stable of our election for over 30 years". But there were other states in which mass mail in was a first time thing. how do you know "they had plenty of practice" in those states? they properly cleaned up their voter roll/registration databases? Also I don't question their capability but their interests.
Mail-in-balloting isn't new (wasn't new) in ANY State (and it's wrong of you to believe that there are only 50+ State Elections Systems - when, indeed, there are over 1000 separate "elections systems" in the US - all very local. For example, here in Florida, each county administers its own elections, under the supervision of a state official. Next door, in GA, they again have a county-level "Supervisor of Elections", but instead of reporting to a single person, the "state supervision" is separated out to different officials.
Interesting read here about the strength and weakness inherent in the "distributed" nature of US Elections.
The change in 2020 was not an INTRODUCTION of mail-in-balloting in ANY jurisdiction - it was just the explosive GROWTH of it!
4th over 2000 year we didn't have covid-19 pandemic. Your point? Trump lost, ok so? What election officials said, believe what you want. Arsonists don't go out and publicly announce that they caused the fire (Coumo's and Whitmer's nursing home death coverup).
I don't know how to parse that... My only point about "Trump lost" is that is the only real evidence most Trumpites have to back-up their "massive elections fraud" claims from 2020 - as-if it's EVER a foregone conclusion someone will win! - is that Trump actually lost! (How could that have happened legitimately?)
- Hillary was supposed to win in 2016
- Dewey was *supposed to win in 1948
This isn't unprecedented!
5th you compared voter fraud to rape and murder. Lol I have no comment there; not interested in discussing ethics. I didn't say i have solutions for anything nor I brought up any. I'm not an altruistic person nor a saint. just pointed out the potential due to mass mail in in relation to the discussion of linked video.
I didn't compare the offenses - I'm sorry the analogy "didn't work for you" - they are simply human actions we (as a society) abhor and want to prevent from happening.
The point was simply: when you have populations of people, there will always be some "bad apples" who try to cheat/game the system or who just have "bad intentions" altogether.
You can't predict where those "bad apples" will strike next, so you have to mix protective measures (attempting to stop the behavior before it happens - like putting up streetlights in Central Park reduced the number of rapes there drastically, and how requiring voter ID would stop a lot of "impersonation" vote fraud!) with reactive measures (like detecting vote fraud and stopping those votes from being counted, or hunting down the murderers and putting them in jail)
If you can find a way to stop bad people from doing bad things before they do them, THAT is when you'll win the Nobel Peace Prize for a decade!
All to the point of: you cannot ELIMINATE vote fraud, you can just minimize it!
6th what far cry from what, I don't really care at this point. You have dragged the whole discussion too far out of its original topic.
Again, I'm sorry if the analogy threw you... I think you read way too much into it! LOL
You have a weird and twisted way to put words into other people's mouths. Also if you don't believe in my "granny" story, please just don't respond and waste your time. Attempting to read people intention by using assuming and inferring tones doesn't make you appear intellectual, just plain weird and creepy.
I didn't claim your "Granny story" was false - only that it didn't represent a pattern of "mass fraud" resulting in a "stolen election"...
Understand that I am a registered, and loyal Republican voter (since 1980!)... I want Republicans to win in 2022!
To do that, we (as a Party) need to let go of 2020 (where we can DO nothing but bitch, moan, lament, and whine) and focus instead on 2022 (where there is still very much to do!)!