Sheriff Presents Evidence of Felony Fraud in Election Commission's Actions: Wisconsin
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I know our very own Feng Feng will be posting insults at me, despite him playing the victim the other day.
He doesn't like to look at videos that don't match what his Chinese/DNC masters tell him is "reality".
He will claim that anyone against voter fraud is that way because Trump lost, even if you have a long history of being against voter fraud before Trump ran in 2016.
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@raphjd said in Sheriff Presents Evidence of Felony Fraud in Election Commission's Actions: Wisconsin:
I know our very own Feng Feng will be posting insults at me, despite him playing the victim the other day.
He doesn't like to look at videos that don't match what his Chinese/DNC masters tell him is "reality".
He will claim that anyone against voter fraud is that way because Trump lost, even if you have a long history of being against voter fraud before Trump ran in 2016.
Typical of your posts - your "summary" here assumes no one will actually watch the video.
Well, I did - and the Sheriff has made allegations that the Election Commission (made up of both Democrats and Republicans) broke the law by allowing for "special circumstances" for voters in nursing homes to enable them to vote.
Needless to say, the commission (all of them - including the Republicans) say otherwise.
@raphjd continually promotes remote incidences of voting "irregularities" as-if they were part of some broad-spectrum mass voter fraud... all in support of the continued "Lie of the Century": that the 2020 election was somehow "stolen" from Trump.
Were there voting irregularities in 2020? Sure! There always are! But there were FEWER in 2020 than there were in 2016 (broadly speaking) - even though millions more people voted in 2020 vs 2016.
Did the Election Commission overstep their authority to allow these nursing home residents to vote? Maybe - but that's for the attorneys and a judge to decide.
BTW: When these things have been brought up and heard in OTHER states, the judges - many of whom are Republican appointments - have ruled that there were "exigent circumstances" and found no evidence of fraud or other illegality.
That's not to say a Wisconsin judge might differ... but you'd think the Tumpites would tire of wasting money on attorneys at this point!
As for @raphjd's other attempts to provoke me back into an "insult war", I'll defer... I'm not that bored tonight...
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@raphjd The whole world lost when that senile asshole Joe Biden took occupancy of the White House.
I actually want Biden to hang in there for 4 years so Trump can destroy him in 2024.
If Biden were to be replaced, it would be President HARRIS! She would also be a disaster that Trump could easily destroy in 2024.
I can't think of any credible democrat that could run in 2024.
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The DNC has no one even remotely electable that they haven't screwed over and demonized for not being far-left enough.
There are some Democrats that I would be willing to vote for, but they have absolutely no chance as Democrats, so their only option would be to switch parties.
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Clearly, Feng Feng is yammering on about some shit.
Sadly, for him, I don't care what his masters at the CCP and DNC have to say, about anything.
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@bi4smooth what are you trying to imply? since republicans (commission/judge) involved, it's somehow less severe or 100% fair? "there were FEWER in 2020 than there were in 2016" this statement has no basis because there was a mass mail-in in 2020 due to covid-19, none in 2016. If anything, mass mail-in created a higher potential for errors or irregularities, yet you claimed fewer. My granny lives alone but received a total of 4 ballots (2 for her and other 2 for the previous occupants). Same thing happened at my place, people who rented our basement moved out a few years ago, yet their ballots came in regardless. sign you name on the back of your credit card, then give it to someone and tell them to buy something at some stores, see if they can commit fraud; the same concept leads to dead people voting, out of state voting, and non-resident voting. BTW if you watched the video, the main fraud event is cognitive impaired elders cast the ballots with the "help" of nursing home staffs which you conveniently left out, assuming you watched the video at all.
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The Carter/Baker Commission was absolutely against pretty much everything that happened in 2020, because, as they said, it would lead to and allow rampant voter fraud.
My older brother and my dad were on the 2020 voter rolls. My brother died at 14, so he never registered to vote. My aunt reported my dad's death and he was taken off the voter rolls, but through some miracle, he was back on it in 2020. This happened in 2 completely different states.
Sadly, Feng Feng isn't very honest, which is why I stopped having any respect for him.
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@blackheart88 said in Sheriff Presents Evidence of Felony Fraud in Election Commission's Actions: Wisconsin:
@bi4smooth what are you trying to imply? since republicans (commission/judge) involved, it's somehow less severe or 100% fair? "there were FEWER in 2020 than there were in 2016" this statement has no basis because there was a mass mail-in in 2020 due to covid-19, none in 2016. If anything, mass mail-in created a higher potential for errors or irregularities, yet you claimed fewer. My granny lives alone but received a total of 4 ballots (2 for her and other 2 for the previous occupants). Same thing happened at my place, people who rented our basement moved out a few years ago, yet their ballots came in regardless. sign you name on the back of your credit card, then give it to someone and tell them to buy something at some stores, see if they can commit fraud; the same concept leads to dead people voting, out of state voting, and non-resident voting. BTW if you watched the video, the main fraud event is cognitive impaired elders cast the ballots with the "help" of nursing home staffs which you conveniently left out, assuming you watched the video at all.
You downplay my facts that the OVERALL numbers of irregularities (challenged ballots, recounts that had statistically differing results, charges of attempted vote fraud [mind you, those are actual charges, not partisan claims that never made it to court) were LOWER in 2020 than in 2016.
And then in the same breath (paragraph) claim that mail-in-ballots are inherently irregular! The fact that your "granny" received multiple ballots IS NOT irregular! Anyone who has done vote-by-mail in the past knows this! The issue isn't how many ballots you RECEIVE, it's how many you RETURN! ICYMI: Those mailed out ballots aren't just blank pages with a list of names on them - they are coded... the local Supervisor of Elections knows exactly who each ballot was mailed to... and when they get them back, they are checked to ensure that - if 100 ballots were mailed to "Granny" by accident, only 1 would be allowed to count as a vote.
If you don't believe me - PLEASE in 2020, take one of your "Granny's" mail-in ballots and return it as your own! Go ahead! Then show these discussions to the Sheriff's investigators who come find you... "It was just a test" you'll tell them... "It's voter fraud" they'll tell you while they fit you with some fine new silver bracelets!
I know this is a shocker - but Elections Officials didn't "invent" vote-by-mail for 2020 - it's been a staple of our elections for over 30 years! They've had plenty of practice in rooting out ways to "fool" it, and as opposed to the 3.4 seconds you appear to have spent "thinking critically" about this, they've had entire staffs considering these things for decades.
But let's get back to the article here:
This Sheriff isn't claiming any knowledge of any voter being intimidated or influenced... he's claiming that the elections board erred in their ruling that staff at the nursing homes (which were in lockdown to protect the residents from COVID-19) could assist their residents in filling out mail-in-ballots.
This isn't an accusation of FRAUD so much as a disagreement over interpretation of the voter laws of their State... which is why ALL of the board members - Dem & Republican alike - have decried the accusation and affirmed their unanimous collective belief that they acted properly.
As I noted above: this will be determined by a Court... and if they were wrong, and the Court determines that they overstepped their bounds, there will be penalties of some sort.
But lets look deeper here: Is your intent to show that these older people shouldn't have been allowed to vote from within their retirement home? That if they WANTED to vote, they should have had to expose themselves to COVID-19 "like the rest of us?"
Voter fraud (REAL voter fraud) is an ongoing ISSUE in every election - and EVERY election has some people trying to "game the system"... Elections officials in general around this country do a damned good job of rooting out irregularities and detecting fraud.
One last comment: Because of the extra scrutiny of the 2020 elections, there HAS been an up-tick in FELONY attempted voter fraud charges filed so far... but in a "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" bit of karma, it's been our own Republicans who have - by a wide margin - been caught attempting to illegally vote!
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@raphjd said in Sheriff Presents Evidence of Felony Fraud in Election Commission's Actions: Wisconsin:
The Carter/Baker Commission was absolutely against pretty much everything that happened in 2020, because, as they said, it would lead to and allow rampant voter fraud.
My older brother and my dad were on the 2020 voter rolls. My brother died at 14, so he never registered to vote. My aunt reported my dad's death and he was taken off the voter rolls, but through some miracle, he was back on it in 2020. This happened in 2 completely different states.
As I noted above - y'all seem to imply that mail-in balloting was NEW for 2020.
PRIOR to the 2020 election cycle, FIVE States authorized local jurisdictions to hold all-mail elections (Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah, & Washington)... in those states, the localities don't even HAVE TO OFFER in-person voting!
ANOTHER THREE States and DC also had "automatic mail-in ballot distribution" policies already in place (by law, not by executive actions): where every voter receives a mail-in-ballot by default. In these places, you still have an in-person option. (Those States are Nevada, Vermont, & California)
Also: "mail-in ballot" is almost a misnomer... I received such a ballot in Florida - I didn't put it into the US Mail, I put it in a collection box (that was monitored) at my local library.
Mind you: I am TOTALLY IN FAVOR of increased voter ID requirements - but that's a double-edged sword: if you REQUIRE the use of a "State issued Drivers License or ID", then obtaining one of these IDs has to be free to low-income voters. (One State - I don't recall which - is moving towards this: low income residents can get a free State ID card (but not a free DL!) if they are on Gov't assistance already).
In many States, the cost of getting a State ID can be over $100 (it's nearly that high in Florida)... if you make having that kind of ID a voting requirement, and it costs $100 - then you have a Poll Tax - which is unconstitutional (see 24th Amendment).
Personally, I think giving poor people a (free) State-issued ID card could be useful in stopping all kinds of fraud - not just voter fraud! There is MASSIVE fraud in the public assistance systems - people claiming children who don't exist, or exist in multiple households simultaneously, people continuing to claim benefits after someone dies, and so on... in The Information Age we shouldn't be allowing this!
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Let's get something straight:
Vote Fraud Is Bad
All vote fraud is bad - we can (maybe) agree on that?
Maybe we can even go so far as this: We all would like to see vote fraud reduced, and confidence in our election systems increased.
Where we seem to differ is where we are at now!
- You (Trumpites, in general) would have us believe that, in spite of DECADES of history of running free & fair elections, something changed in 2020... and the primary evidence of that is that Trump lost!
- Elections officials of all parties in all states generally agree - there was nothing unusual about the 2020 election, except that far more people voted by mail. But 10's of millions of votes have been cast in the same way in prior elections... including in 2016 when Trump won. The only difference is the shift (not creation of) of voting methodology to mail-in vs. on-site voting (and, as I've noted above: mail-in is often a misnomer, as most of those ballots never saw a postage stamp! They were hand-delivered to a collection box - usually, but not always, monitored)
Election (vote) fraud is bad... but so is rape and murder... and if you have a solution that can solve all vote fraud, then the same process can be used to solve all rape and murder! (And you will rightfully so earn the Nobel Peace Price for a decade!
But, let's be equally clear: not all "vote fraud" is created equally:
- the old man who showed up to the polls on election day, having forgotten that he mailed in his ballot 3-weeks earlier
Is a far cry from:
- the old man who showed up at the polling center 3-hours after casting his own ballot, wearing a "disguise" and claiming to be his son.
And that is a far cry from:
- someone attempting to mail in 100's (or even 1000's) of fraudulent ballots, or
- someone attempting to fool (or hack) the vote tallying equipment.
And none of that addresses the "vote accountability" issue that this Sheriff is accusing the Wisconsin Election Board of creating/violating!
I know @raphjd will pull out his hair and teeth over this, but as a quasi-governmental body, they (the Election Commission as a group, as well as each of its members) are immune from prosecution for doing their governmental function - even if it turns out that a court agrees with the Sheriff, and their decisions violated Wisconsin law. (The original use of "absolute immunity" under US law!)
I would caution my fellow Republicans who are so keen on letting partisan politics enter our election mechanisms though... your assumptions in allowing partisan politics into that "world" - where it has been kept out for so long - are faulty! You assume, for one, that Republicans would control those partisan bodies (like State Legislatures)... that will not always be the case! Won't we (Republicans) be screaming bloody murder if the makeup of the legislatures in, say TX, NC, PA, IA, AZ, & MI -- all of whom are less than 10-seats away from flipping Democrat - were to change and all-of-a-sudden it's Democrats overruling Elections Supervisors and declaring their own victors in elections? That's a very slippery slope and you can't "have your cake and eat it too!"
I'm not sorry Trump lost... but attacking the very voting infrastructure that put him into office (in spite of losing the popular vote) in 2016 is disingenuous at best, and just being a sore loser in any case.
Can we PLEASE move on and focus on 2022! If we're laser-focused on 2020, we'll LOSE in 2022 - even though we have ALL KINDS if historical trends that say we should win BIG in 2022!
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ok first, i said potential for errors and irregularities in my granny case. I never said she could turn in both ballots under her name. The other two ballots under previous occupants, weren't they uniquely coded like you said? couldn't they be filled out and turned in?
2nd. I didn't say any specific citizen should be deprived of their right to vote. just pointed out the reason video claimed voter fraud because a severe cognitive impaired elder couldn't remember anything beyond JFK, cast her ballot one month before she passed away. Check Doe vs Row, 2001.
3rd I didn't say mail in ballot a new thing. I'm aware of its existence in several states. I'm sure those states have done it for a long time, fine tuning to the point of "a stable of our election for over 30 years". But there were other states in which mass mail in was a first time thing. how do you know "they had plenty of practice" in those states? they properly cleaned up their voter roll/registration databases? Also I don't question their capability but their interests.
4th over 2000 year we didn't have covid-19 pandemic. Your point? Trump lost, ok so? What election officials said, believe what you want. Arsonists don't go out and publicly announce that they caused the fire (Coumo's and Whitmer's nursing home death coverup).
5th you compared voter fraud to rape and murder. Lol I have no comment there; not interested in discussing ethics. I didn't say i have solutions for anything nor I brought up any. I'm not an altruistic person nor a saint. just pointed out the potential due to mass mail in in relation to the discussion of linked video.
6th what far cry from what, I don't really care at this point. You have dragged the whole discussion too far out of its original topic.
You have a weird and twisted way to put words into other people's mouths. Also if you don't believe in my "granny" story, please just don't respond and waste your time. Attempting to read people intention by using assuming and inferring tones doesn't make you appear intellectual, just plain weird and creepy. -
@blackheart88 said in Sheriff Presents Evidence of Felony Fraud in Election Commission's Actions: Wisconsin:
ok first, i said potential for errors and irregularities in my granny case. I never said she could turn in both ballots under her name. The other two ballots under previous occupants, weren't they uniquely coded like you said? couldn't they be filled out and turned in?
If the entries on the Voter Rolls were still present AND the person filling out the ballot could successfully pass the ID tests (signature or notarized witness or copy of photo ID - different jurisdictions use different methods to ensure the person who returned the ballot is legit the same person on the Voter Roll.
People who insist there was "so much fraud" in the mail-in-ballot process seem to literally think that the people who make running free and fair elections their professions are stupid, new-at-this, and/or part-time... none of which is true!
There are LAYERS of protections - and yet, there CAN be some "bad ones" that get through... but that is the case in the in-person balloting as well (witness the old man who attempted to vote while impersonating his son! If the poll worker hadn't personally recognized the man, he'd have gotten away with it!)
2nd. I didn't say any specific citizen should be deprived of their right to vote. just pointed out the reason video claimed voter fraud because a severe cognitive impaired elder couldn't remember anything beyond JFK, cast her ballot one month before she passed away. Check Doe vs Row, 2001.
There are all kinds of scenarios that make end-of-life balloting tricky: what about the man who keels over of a heart attack while literally walking out the door of his precinct's polling place? What about the LOL (Little Old Lady) who dies the morning of Election Day, but mailed her ballot in a week earlier?
There are published rules in each jurisdiction about those cases - and they're all different. But the fact is, voting is SELDOM about 1 - or even 1000 votes. While it DOES happen that some are decided by a tiny fraction of votes, by far most elections are decided by full percentage-points, representing 1000's of votes...
3rd I didn't say mail in ballot a new thing. I'm aware of its existence in several states. I'm sure those states have done it for a long time, fine tuning to the point of "a stable of our election for over 30 years". But there were other states in which mass mail in was a first time thing. how do you know "they had plenty of practice" in those states? they properly cleaned up their voter roll/registration databases? Also I don't question their capability but their interests.
Mail-in-balloting isn't new (wasn't new) in ANY State (and it's wrong of you to believe that there are only 50+ State Elections Systems - when, indeed, there are over 1000 separate "elections systems" in the US - all very local. For example, here in Florida, each county administers its own elections, under the supervision of a state official. Next door, in GA, they again have a county-level "Supervisor of Elections", but instead of reporting to a single person, the "state supervision" is separated out to different officials.
Interesting read here about the strength and weakness inherent in the "distributed" nature of US Elections.
The change in 2020 was not an INTRODUCTION of mail-in-balloting in ANY jurisdiction - it was just the explosive GROWTH of it!
4th over 2000 year we didn't have covid-19 pandemic. Your point? Trump lost, ok so? What election officials said, believe what you want. Arsonists don't go out and publicly announce that they caused the fire (Coumo's and Whitmer's nursing home death coverup).
I don't know how to parse that... My only point about "Trump lost" is that is the only real evidence most Trumpites have to back-up their "massive elections fraud" claims from 2020 - as-if it's EVER a foregone conclusion someone will win! - is that Trump actually lost! (How could that have happened legitimately?)
- Hillary was supposed to win in 2016
- Dewey was *supposed to win in 1948
This isn't unprecedented!
5th you compared voter fraud to rape and murder. Lol I have no comment there; not interested in discussing ethics. I didn't say i have solutions for anything nor I brought up any. I'm not an altruistic person nor a saint. just pointed out the potential due to mass mail in in relation to the discussion of linked video.
I didn't compare the offenses - I'm sorry the analogy "didn't work for you" - they are simply human actions we (as a society) abhor and want to prevent from happening.
The point was simply: when you have populations of people, there will always be some "bad apples" who try to cheat/game the system or who just have "bad intentions" altogether.
You can't predict where those "bad apples" will strike next, so you have to mix protective measures (attempting to stop the behavior before it happens - like putting up streetlights in Central Park reduced the number of rapes there drastically, and how requiring voter ID would stop a lot of "impersonation" vote fraud!) with reactive measures (like detecting vote fraud and stopping those votes from being counted, or hunting down the murderers and putting them in jail)
If you can find a way to stop bad people from doing bad things before they do them, THAT is when you'll win the Nobel Peace Prize for a decade!
All to the point of: you cannot ELIMINATE vote fraud, you can just minimize it!
6th what far cry from what, I don't really care at this point. You have dragged the whole discussion too far out of its original topic.
Again, I'm sorry if the analogy threw you... I think you read way too much into it! LOL
You have a weird and twisted way to put words into other people's mouths. Also if you don't believe in my "granny" story, please just don't respond and waste your time. Attempting to read people intention by using assuming and inferring tones doesn't make you appear intellectual, just plain weird and creepy.
I didn't claim your "Granny story" was false - only that it didn't represent a pattern of "mass fraud" resulting in a "stolen election"...
Understand that I am a registered, and loyal Republican voter (since 1980!)... I want Republicans to win in 2022!
To do that, we (as a Party) need to let go of 2020 (where we can DO nothing but bitch, moan, lament, and whine) and focus instead on 2022 (where there is still very much to do!)!
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Steven Crowder proved absolutely that there was massive voter fraud in Wayne County.
I previously linked to the video, which Feng Feng refused to watch because it went against his narrative.
You are legally required to register to vote based on your physical address. In Wayne County, people were registering to vote from self-storage buildings, parking lots, and many other things. One of the self-storage places had over 300 people registered there. This was all based on official voter rolls public records. They had more votes than registered voters.
One of the county employees that worked for the elections admitted to committing vote fraud, in her official capacity, in the triple digits in each election for over 20 years.
Project Veritas exposed several cases of massive voter fraud.
I pointed out numerous PROVEN cases of voter fraud and Feng Feng demands we ignore them.
Hell, in New Jersey, there was an entire Congressional district election and every other election on the ballot was deemed dirty so the judge threw them all out. Oddly, the judge said that the Presidential election on that same ballot was the only clean election. The entire barrel of apples is totally rotten, but the one in the middle of all that festering rot. Once again, Feng Feng has no problem with that, while many of us are questioning it.
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Another lie Feng Feng loves to tell is that I'm only against voter fraud because Trump lost.
My posting history on the topic, on this very site, proves he's full of shit.
Also, he claims to be a Republican. His 10 favorite "Republicans" are against the extremely vast majority of the party. There are 252 Republicans total in Congress (both Houses) and he only like 10 of them and he usually sides with Democrats on every issue I bring up. His 10 BFFs are Pelosi whores.
He claims that the vast majority of Repubs in Arizona are liars, but the proven liars in Maricopa are telling the truth. If Maricopa County is telling the truth, then why did they violate numerous court orders and state Senate subpoenas?
His version of libertarianism is exactly what we see in every dystopian movie, novel, video game, etc. People have no rights, while businesses have all the rights. He supports the Build Back Better mantra of "you will own nothing and you will be happy" because the businesses will own everything and people will have nothing. I guess we should not be surprised, he is after all a well know agent of the CCP/DNC.
He also voted for Chop SueyJoe and Dirty Kamala, but claims that's because he's a good Republican.
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@raphjd said in Sheriff Presents Evidence of Felony Fraud in Election Commission's Actions: Wisconsin:
Another lie Feng Feng loves to tell is that I'm only against voter fraud because Trump lost.
My posting history on the topic, on this very site, proves he's full of shit.
Also, he claims to be a Republican. His 10 favorite "Republicans" are against the extremely vast majority of the party. There are 252 Republicans total in Congress (both Houses) and he only like 10 of them and he usually sides with Democrats on every issue I bring up. His 10 BFFs are Pelosi whores.
He claims that the vast majority of Repubs in Arizona are liars, but the proven liars in Maricopa are telling the truth. If Maricopa County is telling the truth, then why did they violate numerous court orders and state Senate subpoenas?
His version of libertarianism is exactly what we see in every dystopian movie, novel, video game, etc. People have no rights, while businesses have all the rights. He supports the Build Back Better mantra of "you will own nothing and you will be happy" because the businesses will own everything and people will have nothing. I guess we should not be surprised, he is after all a well know agent of the CCP/DNC.
He also voted for Chop SueyJoe and Dirty Kamala, but claims that's because he's a good Republican.
Old news intended to goad me into another flame war...
pass...
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It may be old news, but it's true.
