@Speedmaster8:
Sorry to say that, but some "new" posters here in the forums have a strange way to communicate with the GTru - users. An enormous amount of spam, nonsense and absolut useless stuff is posted and quoted, just to gain some seed points - and as if this wouldn't be enough, they celebrate themselfs by completely ignoring netiquette and judge about all and everything, without thinking about the consequences.
YES, Minerboh80 - you are right, there should be a mod to take care of such posts and I definitely would like to donate into an I-poste-only-because-I-want-to-grab-seedpoints-pot, to get rid of these posts, but unfortunately this might never happen, because it seems to be funny for some posters to insult people and it seems to be as well funny for some readers. :afr2:
This posts are popular because people find them mostly ignorant and feel the need to explain somethings, however i already felt that and feel this is mostly on the bound of a faux pas like trolling.
@raphjd:
As I previously said, I don't really know much about Spain's situation. HOWEVER, Greece's situation has been well documented in UK news documentary shows (Panorama, Dispatches, etc).
The southern European countries that are having a hard time now had extremely early retirement ages. Even after severe reforms, they still retire 4 years earlier than the rest of Europe.
They also had grey economies through tax avoidance on goods and services.
Job related benefits were outrageous, compared to the rest of Europe.
Despite pretty decent economic growth (prior to the global economic meltdown), the national debt was skyrocketing. The year before the global economic meltdown, the Greek national debt was 105% of their GDP. Their GDP rose 4.3% but their national debt rose 7% up until the global economic meltdown.
Bailing out other countries has meant higher taxes and service cuts for the countries that had to do the bailing out, yet the countries that got bailed out are angry with those that saved them.
All of these things are direct benefits of the people of these countries. This is why you won't see much pity from the people in the rest of Europe.
I do understand your point let that be clear, but when you have an ageing population and you extend the reform age, it also means there will be no jobs for the youth, which means that there will be no people to pay those ageing people reforms… so do you understand how that snowball and backfires on some specific countries? (not greece case they were crazy)
This countries have issues with the ones bailing them out because in part it was their fault too, not those particular ones sometimes but the whole UE mess, and what some countries have said and refer to them as PIGS, EVEN THO these PIGS helped bail some of those countries out. If you are humiliated when you just helped someone that is humiliating you, how do you see that person? Also The rating agencies mess? Really, this crisis was a circus, everyone knew it was bound to happen, noone did a thing until it exploded, and that is the usual process in the UE.
BUT yeah you've got it right it was some of those countries fault too for allowing the grey economy, it would take a revolution, most likely not like Ukraine, but yes ...
I see lots of people simplefying this matter, it means that in some of these countries people are in the streets, because thereare no jobs, they lost their houses, they lost their medical care... so never simplefy what might be a tragedy for others.
