Well, let's elaborate a bit on the picture, catalonya has always been autonomous to a degree, since this social rift has millenia, centuries and centuries, however during Franco depotism the region (state) suffered a lot of repression in terms of language etc… had to that mix a spanish central government which inherits Franco ideology and has not a solid standing (3 elections to form it and no majority), had to that silence from the government for several decades over this matter, had to that the fact catalonya is supporting almost solo the debt of more than half of spain... and finally sprinkle in top of the cake the fact rajoy is a fucking bastard that ordered police brutality on people voting...

Yes it's secessionist all the countries divides are by norm inconstitucional, what is that point worth aniway in the matter?

This either goes slowly and calm down noone does nothing, either goes smart and catalonya destroys it's economy and makes Spain go bankrupt forcing the EU to make it solve the issue or get expelled, either goes really bad and some groups start agitating things and they get civil war.

Any of those things are not that far fetched seen the history of the place.

O que é que querem saber? Posso responder, agora falar de tudo ficavamos aqui horas… há muita vida gay na cidade, a maior parte não atrai a vasta maioria dos gays que não são estereótipos...

There is no Soft Brexit…
The wave is only in freeze waiting to start again... but the mommentum it had has died down. We are looking at 3 years of standstill in almost zero growth and several issues to fix in Euro Affairs, with the right moves we might have a 8 years time line of slow growth, or if nothing be done a humanitarian crysis in every other street with more poverty and small crimes

Isn't it truth that the south used that flag in a war in order not to abolish slavery? I guess that would be enough… this thing with cool icons of rebelion etc isn't it a bit teen angst much for some older people? Do you really think that the south or north have any reason to be proud of their past history or wartimes? For me it looks like it's the flag of bitterness...

@gaypraha2:

if you think the EU did not enrich the 'rich' countries you are delusional

We give 23 billions euros every year and we get back 14 : loss every year 9 billons + loss of jobs because of troubles such as for instance these days Whirlpool + loss of industries … EOD.

Ahahahahahahahah in exactly what do you base those numbers? You do know that the figures were inspected and it is well known how much the debt of the piigs went to the german banking system, so perhaps some countries should be screaming to Merkel that the deutsche bank decided to play with the debt money and actually waste most of it. Follow the money and stop talking about make up numbers.

Riu Melo, for his twink frame that ass is weirdly bubbly

@gaypraha2:

europe without the EU was not the most agreeable of sights,

probably true for poor countries but not for contributors countries…. 

You have no memory and read no history then and watch no news, why do you think Sweden is getting an army now? It might surprise you but 'rich' europe was not at all in peace before the EU and not all that better off in terms of revenues and market, if you think the EU did not enrich the 'rich' countries you are delusional, also all countries are contributors in a free market, some receive more help because of stupid ideas like the eurozone etc… but do not confuse the eurozone project with the actual EU project. And I might shudder with most Macron policies, but he does say something which should be heard, if countries want to be part of the EU, they must accept some of the core values, you can't just take the profits of free market etc and then run a dictatorship disrespecting human rights... This can be seen as sovereign interference in country policies, yet guess what, who really wants to have a product with relations to slavery or tiranny etc in the current market? Some of you should actually learn the way in which countries acted pre EU agreements if you want to go back to living like that...

Marine and Trump, she is a far better demagoge, and actually knows how to pull off the shite she wants to create… I thought people actually looked at what are the consequences of bad decisions, France is fucked a bit in either way... mais voila les rotis...  Trump was a bad decision, Brexit was a bad decision and lE pen is a bad decision, not because they are supposed to be from the right etc.. but because the brexit is spiraling the UK into a mess that will take time to fix and was unnecessary, because TRUMP is obviously uncapable and as zero intent of helping any of his electorate or poor america getting jobs, and Marine is a wannabe dictator that would plummet the EU into a war zone, the EU needs reformation not dismantling... europe without the EU was not the most agreeable of sights, tho there are enormous errors to be corrected in policy it's far better to make it viable than plummet the south currencies and ignore the populism rise and east war front.

Exactly when did Drwas say he was not mad at them? A moderator trying to cause drama in a forum?

… I be damned, you are using republican party ideas of what conservatism is? Conservatists should be miles away from that ...

People are finally heading to secular thought, that leads to mid central politics, for someone in the states this center or mid is left, does not have to be rabid ultra 'liberal' left, however let me tell you conservatism has completely other conotations in Europe, same with being liberal, liberalism here is conotated with right thought of unregulated market and banking, conservatives can go from nature consevationism to nationalists and nationalism is know for going the hate route, so it either goes dead like older Le pen or go populist like new Le pen.