Posts made by cteavin

@kenjysn1:

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O0 having my haircut and do a bathe that must be very relaxed.

You only bathe on the weekends?!?  :afr:

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@royalcrown89:

My argument which I clearly stated is that a situation like this is proof that just like rape, sexual harassment is a culture with agents who keep it going no matter their justification for keeping the culture going. I didn't make that argument to counter what you're saying but to simply add to what you are saying. You asked me to stick to the topic instead of bringing up other instances of rape and sexual harassment situations and that's what I am now doing. I am not defending what many people on the left have done in this situation. For the women who were harassed by Weinstein, some who are also leftists, are you blaming them for remaining quiet instead of going against an entire culture?

No. And it's not just women who were harassed. Cory Feldman and Cory Haine were both, by their words, "raped" yet never pushed to prosecute the perpetrators. There was an African-American actor who recently said he'd been groped and stayed silent. Sexual harassment in Hollywood is as common as the casting couch.

My point is that Hollywood is liberal. You'd agree with that statement, right? It pushes out programming like Will & Grace II where they spend the first episode Trump bashing. That tenor pervades the media landscape – it's that hum I mentioned in another thread. Hollywood is largely self-righteous and self-satisfied, yet the people in Hollywood work within a corrupt system while pointing the finger at the corruption in others: Middle America, you're racist, etc.

I'm well aware how hard it is to stand up and say something but the people coming forward now are the Paltrow's and Jolie's of Hollywood. They have power. They have had no business shaming the average (often white) man while keeping a closet.

On a related tanged, Ben Affleck. There's a YouTube clip of him making an ass of himself on Bill Mahar's show when he was interviewing Sam Harris (my personal hero). Oh, I love him as Batman but what a giant sanctimonious, ignorant turd. I'm so glad he's getting slammed for Butt-gate, atm.

@Frederick:

You were not here several months ago when the moniker battle was going on.  The moonbats were tearing into Trump….  Finally I suggested several words myself, and  "moonbat" got approved.

Ah, I get it now.

Anyone coming into these forums wouldn't know that, you know.

We are a community where the young are often a little damaged. If they come here and see lots of name calling, especially when they don't know the history, they're going to come away with an unfavorable impression. We are, all of us, capable of creating and maintaining a good impression.

Never Trumpers I think is easy for an outsider to understand.

Don't you all think it's time to put away the baggage from the 2016 election, anyway? The media is going to foist the 2020 elections on us soon enough. It'd be nice to clear the slate and start fresh.

@Frederick:

I pity anybody that took the time to read your dissertation of pure piffle.

I spent my time more productively - by taking a crap.

Seriously though… you keep ranting about "tax returns"...   It must drive you nuts... well.. nuttier, that with Trump's new tax cuts, most people's tax returns will be as short as a postcard.

Fredrick, this is rude.  :spank2:

RC, you should have ignored it.  :spank:

Honesty! I work with 15-year olds to whom English is a second or third language and they can argue better that what you two did here. Furthermore, these children come from all over the planet, from different religions, different races, historically waring counties and they get along just fine but you two, you're from the same country and the same (sexual) minority and you're acting no better than two tranny queens fighting for a hit off a crack pipe.

You don't have to like one another but you should hope for a better future and that starts with how we each treat one another.

(quietly scowling at my computer screen atm)

Back to the main topic, what I meant, RC, by your parties attacks strengthening Trump….

Let me start again, I live outside the US. I don't live inside any of the many bubbles within the US. I am unaffected the 24/7 hum in the background. From where I sit, that omnipresent sound that is lulling the Never Trumpers into thinking they're on the right side of history is only alienating people.

I have liberal black friends here in Japan who support Trump. The more he's attacked in the media the more people like them and me go looking for the original source of the news; we've grown to mistrust the media, which leads back to this Russian investigation and the tax returns.

Over here, the Japanese media has mentioned the tax thing (and Russia) a couple of times in passing, as an example of angst against Trump but never as a credible news story. They approached the birther issue with the same disbelief. That feeling isn't unique to Japan but also one half the US that I don't think you and your party are paying attention to. So what I mean when I say that Trump gets stronger with each attack is this:

The media loses credibility and Trump looks like he's fighting off the corruption.

If you're a pro-Trumper (which I'm not), then you see the God Emperor in a valiant fight against tyranny.

Let me ask you, would you, personally, be as adamant to see the tax returns if you didn't believe there was something incriminating in them which could lead to him being impeached?

I don't know about the law but I don't believe the special prosecutor has any obligation to release the tax returns should he ever acquire them. Personally, they mean nothing to me.

@Frederick:

Labels get applied to things that stand out, as a very short way of characterizing something.  The left do it ad nauseum.  Anybody they don't like is "Hitler", "Racist", etc.

Yup. That's absolutely true. And you know I've told you, Federick, directly I don't like it (fistbump) and we're still friendly with one another (fistbump). I'm not going to police someone's speech. It's not my place. To have a tantrum everytime someone does something I disagree with isn't a blanket endorsement.

I simply want people to play nicely so I have a place to come to for discussion and different points of view.

I also want the country to heal and the only way to do that is for us, each and every individual, to have civil discourse.

@royalcrown89:

As for your comments on what the left has been doing… What more do you want me to personally say about this? That the left are hypocrites for saying they're for women's rights and then helping to cover up something like this? I'm not going to agree to that based off of this incident because I'm sure there are plenty of people on the left who had no idea this was going on. You seriously cannot be arguing that every single person who identifies as a liberal, including those outside of Hollywood, knew what Harvey Weinstein was doing. What about the people he didn't donate money to? What about the people he did donate money to but who have never been anywhere near him? Are you a wizard? Do you know every single person who has personally received donations from him and/or every single person who knew what he was doing?

@cteavin:

My problem with the left is that, in general, they signal their virtues by kneeling, supporting BLM, give lip service to ideas like white privilege and Islamaphobia, and call people out for sexism while – and this is key -- having sat on decades of sexual harassment experiences with Weinstein. Moreover, they only come out against Weinstein when there's a mass movement against the man. There's no courage in that.

These past years of claiming they, the Ben Aflics of Hollywood, are morally superior to the common folk is false and hypocritical. Prove that wrong.

Look at the bold in your text an mine. I'll wait.

I specifically used the words in general in the first paragraph then went on to signal in the second paragraph that I was talking about the Ben Aflicks of the world, meaning the people in Weinsteins orbit. Now, reading back, I can see that I was not clear enough in the first.

Let me fix it so my meaning is clearer.

My problem with the left is that, in general, they signal their virtues by kneeling, supporting BLM, give lip service to ideas like white privilege and Islamaphobia, and call people out for sexism. While at the same time – and this is key -- Hollywood elites have sat on decades of sexual harassment experiences with Weinstein. Moreover, they (these elites) only come out against Weinstein when there's a mass movement against the man. There's no courage in that.

Now is my meaning clearer?

The topic is hypocrisy. The people in Hollywood have been standing up to pee on the average person thinking themselves the vanguards of decency and morality while these people have been complicit because they don't want to lose their fat paychecks.

@royalcrown89:

Made up stories or theorizing? I stated a theory and I asked everyone for their opinion on that theory. As you've said, the only fact is that other president's in modern history have released their taxes. Are you now arguing that no one should be allowed to pose a theory and ask for input on here? Frederick has stated plenty of his theories on here and I don't see you calling them, "fake news" or "made up stories." You simply state whether or not you agree and you make an argument. Interesting.

(clearing throat) Ahem.

@royalcrown89:

At the end of the day, you have your opinion and I have mine…

Instead of taking criticism as an attack against you, stop and think about what the person is responding to. You clearly misread what I said about fake news and made up stories as referring to you. Go reread that paragraph, please.

Further, you dismissed my (valid) argument by chalking it up to opinion and without attempting to dismantle, provide a counter to it, or acknowledge it but move onto a different point my dismissing what I said as an opinion. When I explain how defaulting to opinions is the wrong approach you treat it as an attack on you then generalize that fictitious attack into a slippery slope whereby it now means theory.

And you didn't even state a theory.

You asked a question.

You asked whether DT should show his tax returns. Not only did I answer you but I told you why he won't and I theorized how the left (note how I did not, and have not, singled you out) only helps him. You have yet to answer that.

@aadam101:

I would rather eat Hillary's snatch then get anywhere near a naked Trump.

OMG, I just realized what could actually force me into committing suicide. If those were my two choices, I'd just leave this world permanently.
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@royalcrown89:

@cteavin, you claim to be new to these parts of the forum so I won't go deep into the reason why I have no patience for a lot of those who take up for the right on here. I had a long, popular thread about civility on here and basically everyone who takes up for the right spat in my face repeatedly.

Childish name calling (moonbat, cuck, etc.) is perfectly fine with you so once again, you have no right coming at me accusing me of being uncivil when you're fine with worse behavior.

1. Did you spit back? If you spat back, then you are as much to blame. If you lose your patience, then you become part of the problem.

2. I am not a fan of name calling and do not like terms like moonbats and Osama for Obama or even Kim Jung Dung. I sometimes call it out. The solution isn't a tirade but compromise and patience and time.
   :poorthing:

Now, what say you to my comments on the left and their virtue signaling vis a vie sitting on real sexual harassment?

@royalcrown89:

It's impossible to focus on getting rid of military grade assault weapons because the NRA controls Republicans and Democrats are split between wanting to ban all guns and wanting to create registries as if we're in a socialist country or something;

maybe it truly is the cost of freedom.

Making new laws is somewhat pointless because the laws on the books are not being properly enforced already.

Seems to me the solution is to get the lobbyists out of Washington and do away with that ruling from the Supreme Court that Corporations are People. These would be longterm goals and I don't think American people have the attention span to carry them through, so you might be right: Having guns readily available might be the cost of this version of freedom (there's more than one).

The odd thing to me about present-day America is that there are more restrictions in getting a gym membership and buying medicine in bulk than voting and purchasing a gun. How did that happen?

@royalcrown89:

Dominance of what? Being unfit to be president?

At the end of the day, you have your opinion and I have mine

When Trump was testing the waters by accusing Obama of not being a citizen (something I strongly opposed) the media put a spotlight on him. The relentlessness of this new birther movement eventually forced Obama to release his birth certificate. Once that happened Trump went on a victory tour saying again and again, "I made him release his birth certificate". That appealed to his base and everyone, for whatever reason, hated Obama. That's what I mean by dominance.

What has since become the Never Trumpers have continued to keep that spotlight on Trump while accusing him of everything from Pussy-Gate to throwing paper towels at Puerto Rico. Each time you throw an accusation, it bounces off him in the spotlight. Think about how that looks to his base, to the people who have grown to hate the members of the House and Senate. He's being attacked, standing up to it, and winning.

Every smear makes him appear stronger because he can withstand it.

I knew way back when that Trump wouldn't release his tax returns because not releasing them means, for his base, an F.U. to politics while simultaneously signaling that he's being unfairly targeted.

Every time the left demands and he says no, you make him stronger.

As for Fact vs Opinion, no, don't do that. The divide exists because people are using their feelings to judge. If you want a real working democracy, if you want to get rid of "fake news" and all these made up stories then you have to base your arguments on facts.

Winter. Winter, winter, winter. Winter now!

A traditional exhibition (classical paintings and sculptures) or contemporary multi-media art installations and performance pieces?

@Frederick:

People seem to think they need a gun for protection.  I know of a lot of people who carry knives for protection.   I would like to see people post examples where a gun or knife was ever used to PROTECT someone.

I'm not in the mood to go hunting for the names and sources but one great example happened in TX where a man took a diner full of people hostage and started killing them off one by one. Not being able to have their guns there, the people were helpless to the man with the gun.

My sister, little 5'2" thing she is says she feels safest with her gun.

You'll find variations of those stories all 'round. You'll never get rid of guns in the US so the focus is getting rid of the military grade shit already available.

@royalcrown89:

I've seen some of your actual titles and while you have been civil, I see no signs of a few others being civil.

(cough, cough) …be the change you want to be... (cough, cough)

@royalcrown89:

"badly written" makes you sound close to being a "grammar Nazi" so be careful.

Or what? Your reasoning is flawed and non-persuasive. You're throwing accusations by calling everyone a liar by using you instead of singling out the person or persons to whom you are referring.

If your goal is to understand, then begin by stating clearly what you want to say – don't shout it. It would help if you actually made an attempt to listen to the people with whom you are attempting a speech act. Had you listened to me instead of react to me we would already be in conversation.

@royalcrown89:

I do not appreciate you coming at me with some phony accusation as if this forum hasn't turned into a conservative echo chamber.

If you think this has become an echo chamber and your solution is to scream and shout to change that, then you're gonna have a bad day.

You should be thinking, "how can I help bring more people into the conversation?". Hint: Talking down to people, shouting, generalizing about everyone in these forums is NOT how you do that.

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Now, to the topic in the thread.

The title is "The Left…They are Hypocrites". You want to change this to the left vs Donald Trump. Fine. Trump met with Weinstein. That's a fact. Everything else you wrote is speculation. That conversation is now done.

The left vs the right, that's open season.

My problem with the left is that, in general, they signal their virtues by kneeling, supporting BLM, give lip service to ideas like white privilege and Islamaphobia, and call people out for sexism while – and this is key -- having sat on decades of sexual harassment experiences with Weinstein. Moreover, they only come out against Weinstein when there's a mass movement against the man. There's no courage in that.

These past years of claiming they, the Ben Aflics of Hollywood, are morally superior to the common folk is false and hypocritical. Prove that wrong.

@royalcrown89:

@raphjd:

We're not discussing local or Congressional politicians' tax returns. We are talking about the current president who has broken with a noncontroversial precedent set by many of his predecessors, and we still do not have an honest answer for why he's breaking with that noncontroversial precedent. There are a lot of serious questions that could be answered by him releasing them. Should legislation be passed saying every president should release his tax returns and then have that legislation followed with Congressional action to override his potential veto?

Whether a politician releases their tax returns is every bit relevant to this conversation. If you're so worried about transparency then every single politician across the US and it's territories ought to be made to disclose their tax returns – and you know what, you probably would find local politicians with conflicts of interest.

If your primary goal is true transparency and making sure that everyone is on a level playing field then that is the right way to go, so birth a movement to make a constitutional amendment. Or be honest: You're actively looking for -- hoping and praying -- there is something disqualifying in Trump's tax returns.

I really don't care one way or another. I could care less if any future presidential carries through with this kind of political stunt, either.

Why won't Trump release his tax returns? Because he made Obama release his birth certificate as a show of dominance and so Trump will not be made to show his to further assert his dominance over the left's insistence that he does. The answer is as simple as that. And the more you push the issue, the stronger, more defiant, and "maverick" his brand appears: You're unwittingly helping him by pushing the issue.

No tie.

Hoodie 'n jeans or t-shirt 'n jeans?

Nope. Sitting vertically.

TPBM is wearing yesterday's underwear.

@royalcrown89:

Let's stop trying to shut each other up with childishness and actually have a discussion.

I'm going to hold you to this.  :police:

You're talking a lot of could(possible) and should(opinion) but the only two facts are that previous presidents have released their tax returns and Trump didn't. He is under no obligation to release them and the only people who insist on seeing them are the Never Trumpers, so there is no point in him releasing them.

I'll make an assumption: If there were anything wrong in his tax returns, the IRS would have to fine him or file charges and that would get out. If the special prosecutor found any irregularities, that would also get out. Barring that, there's no need and no way you're going to see them. He could show them, but he won't; there's no reason he should show them and that's my opinion.

@royalcrown89:

Yep, because the current president and his family have NEVER been ANYWHERE near Harvey Weinstein, right? Only those on the left have EVER been around him and have possibly invested in anything related to him, meaning there's NO evidence of our current president ever being in the same circle as Weinstein and probably doesn't even know him, right? TRY AGAIN!

Can you prove that Harvey Weinstein has NEVER given money to ANYONE in #45's family or to #45 himself? If you have the president's tax returns and can prove that he has never invested in The Weinstein Company, any of the films or shows produced by said company and/or hasn't received money from Harvey Weinstein, then you should probably produce those tax returns or it's perfectly logical for someone to assume the president is financially tied to Weinstein also. The president had a successful TV show and has been given money by many different banks around the world as well as individuals who have invested in his brand from time to time. We have access to every other president's financial records going all the way back to Nixon, with the exception being the current president. So no sir, YOU are the hypocrite for supporting a blatant liar and coward who has yet to prove to the Americans that he is supposed to serve that he is not a corrupt, immoral, lunatic bigot.

I'm relatively new to these forums and with the exception of the occasional "moonbat" and "Oasama" for "Obama" the tone in these threads has been civil, productive, and interesting. This is the first time I've read something openly antagonistic like this and it's a turn-off.

I'd like to see people interact on these boards but if anyone were to come here and see badly written shouting, they're not staying. Tone it down. There's an actual human on the other end of your computer.

Personally, I don't care if you like or dislike Trump, you're reasoning is flawed. You're mad that he didn't show his tax returns – he doesn't have to, and this thread isn't about his tax returns. It's not even about POTUS. It's a fact, a solid fact that Weinstein has given money to the DNC for decades. It's solid fact that the leftist, leftists were all around him. And those left-leaning celebrities are only now coming out against him, only now telling their decades-old stories. The point is that these very same celebrities were sitting on real evidence of a scumbag (Weinstein) while virtue signaling.

Stoic to the core.

Homemade Xmas dinner or catered?