Posts made by cteavin

Nope. I'm eating hummus, trying to motivate myself to go out to the gym in this rain.

TPBM prefers the winter.

I haven't a clue.  :afr:

(eeny meeny miny moe…) Sylvania.

For a snack is it going to be pie or cake?

Each post gets a bonus credit, right? Play along.  ;D

The game is simple. You ask, "should I or shouldn't I?" The next person says what you should or shouldn't do and then asks a new question. For example:

A: Should I or shouldn't I?

B: You should so go for a shower now. Should I or shouldn't I?

A: You shouldn't eat that Big Belly Burger. SIOSI?

B: You should let your boyfriend go down on you. SIOSI?

Lather, rinse, repeat. Got it? Go!

Should I or shouldn't I?

@Frederick:

… or to summarize.. the allegations of collusion are nothing but a nothing burger.  In fact, until Van Jones of CNN said this.. he was a big shot at CNN.. since then, they have muzzled him.    Van Jones called the collusion story a "Nothing Burger"
Youtube Video

But it's a nothing burger that people believe exists. Had Trump not made a big deal out of Obama's birth certificate, I'd be angry about the whole investigation. Seems to me he's getting payback. Also, the Republicans are getting a taste of obstruction aka payback.

I'm hoping that when it's all over both sides can let it go and get to running the country.

I only get a little glimpse of what must be near round the clock coverage in the 24-hour news cycle of this.

Me, I'm not a fan of people, mostly women, coming forward to say they were raped. If there's no proof it becomes he said, she said and the current cultural norm is to believe the victim.

Also, there are (petty?) decades-old grievances coming to light. A good example of this is a woman who still holds a grudge that Ben Aflac (whom I despise as a person) grabbed her boob on TV. Let it go. Or, am I wrong?

And now we understand one another and I (we?) came away with more than we started. No name calling. No tantrums.  :hug:

Yup, https://myreadingmanga.info/genre/bara/ is a great start but there's a lot out there.

http://www.mangago.me/genre/Yaoi/

http://www.yaoiotaku.com/forums/threads/25768-sekaiichi-hatsukoi-nakamura-shungiku-%5Bjp%5D

http://www.yaoiotaku.com/read-yaoi-manga-online.html

@royalcrown89:

col·lu·sion
[kəˈlo͞oZHən]
NOUN
secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others

It is illegal to hack into voter data bases and it is illegal to hand over personal voter data in an attempt to increase one's chances of being elected as president. Personal voter data includes, party registration, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses and ID or voter card numbers. That level of personal information was used to target individuals and it's possible that Americans helped access and provide that information to a foreign power. That's the allegation being investigated by one part of Mueller's investigation and then there's the matter of trying to cover up the investigation that began prior to Mueller being appointed as special counsel. Are you not aware that two separate grand juries (one in Virginia, one in D.C.) are handling those two parts of the investigation?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/04/russia-special-counsel-robert-mueller-using-multiple-grand-juries/540959001/

Actually, the definition is more complex than what you posted.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/collusion

So what you've been trying to tell me is that someone on Team Trump passed voter info to a Russian agent in order to target small groups with precise advertising through social media such as Facebook and Twitter. Is that correct?

Well, the article you linked to said it best, it's going to take "years" to prove or disprove.

Let me give you a little advice on how to talk about this from someone very far removed. Most people aren't bright, which is why they could be swayed by fake news via social media. Do you really think these people understand the nuances in the word collusion? Use descriptives that are in everyday speech such as conspiracy and fraud. Treason would make you sound biased and collusion calls up partisan reporting.

So let's sum up:

We agree that Muller is investigating Russia for possible conspiracy to commit voter fraud by microtargeting individuals with fake advertisements/information in order to sway people on the fence to not vote Hillary or vote Trump.

People, like me, who find this a non-issue feel so because 1) manipulating election is part o global politics, 2) if a voter is dumb enough to believe a FB post there's nothing more that can be done (you can't fix stupid), 3) the (over) reaction from day one (think pink hats and protest) make this investigation seem like Trump's Birther Issue rather than a clear sign that something illegal happened.

And we simply disagree on whether Muller should release Trump's tax returns. I feel it's not an obligation for Trump to disclose them and you think tradition mandates that he must and Muller is the means.

Are we good?

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9959

If you wanna see.

@royalcrown89:

2. Your phrasing in, "[d]o you understand that a foreign power knew highly detailed information about American citizens" gives me the impression that Russian intelligence was directly targeting individual US citizens. To be honest, I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I did a few Google searches and found nothing to hint at what you're implying.

For the sake of finding some common ground on this and moving on (since it's clear there's no intention to take a serious investigation seriously) I'll just say in conclusion, we will see what happens once the investigation ends. I've stated in my responses that nothing has yet been proven; therefore, I'm only going off of how guilty to president has been acting. I've also stated that if Mueller does not recommend charges, I believe everyone should let this go and move on. I've noticed for the past couple of months this has not been the main topic of news; healthcare and Hurricane relief have been, so the premise that this is all the left and MSM talks about is false anyway.

My only problem, like many others on the left, has been people like yourself dismissing a serious investigation that was launched almost unanimously by our elected officials of all parties and backed up by our intelligence agencies all to believe one president and his administration. If this administration knowingly aided a foreign power in obtaining personal voter data then they will be labeled as traitors. If this president has been involved in trying to cover up or obstruct any parts of the investigation, he should be held accountable. One thing's for sure, my "Lock Him Up" signature will remain until the investigation is over and no charges are recommended.

From what I've seen in these threads, I'm the only person with an opposing side taking you seriously. To say I'm not is to deflect from the points I raised.

Since you've not called it collusion here, I'll assume you accept my point.

You still have not explained what you mean by "obtaining personal voting data".

And I explained why people aren't taking this seriously: Influencing elections is part of global politics and the Never Trumpers look like Birthers. (I think Trump earned his own birther movement, having started that campaign against Obama, but that's another issue.)

To your original point, we disagree. If Muller has Trump's tax returns he's under no obligation to release them; I personally don't care one way or the other if he does. That's opinion. There's nothing to argue about. The other points are interesting to me.

Oh, hell no. If there's a foul smell someone needs to brush and change the foods their eating. I love long, long open mouth kissing.

TPBM doesn' wash their belly button/navel.

Nope. I'll be 'round.  ;D

TPBM has a crush on at least one co-worker.

Salt?  :afr: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suutei_tsai

I'm trying this!

Short hair (though I cut my hair this year after three years growth, meaning it was long enough to reach past my nipples on my chest).

Candlelight or electric light (for relaxing)?

I love my work.  :cheers: I always look forward to it!

TPBM premade food for the week (made a lot of food to store in the refridgerator so they don't have to cook much during the week)

I have no clue what you mean? 
Google says devoción is coffee.  :rotfl:

Marriage or coffee, hmm. I'm going to go for marriage. 

Green tea or black tea (like Earl Gray, Orange Peakok, etc)?

Turbo what? (Google search – ah! This: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=turbo%20nerd )

Nope. Not really nerdy, nor socially inept. I do march to my own beat, though.  ;D

TPBM has been to a sex club before.  ::)

Hug or touch? It really depends on what kind of touch.  ::)
Since hugs are limited, I'll say touch.

Xmas holiday celebrations or New Year celebrations (the start of whichever calendar you use)?

(sigh) I had to listen to a few songs on YouTube of Victor T. What I heard sounded pretty good. John Lenon? The wife beater? The pretentious turd? The stoner? (sigh)

Victor T.

Lady Gaga or Madonna?

Rock? Not really. It really depends on my mood, though. I'm very promiscuous – with music.

TPBM likes Madonna.

@royalcrown89:

Working with a foreign government to misinform the American people is one thing, but giving that foreign government access to private voter information would be a serious crime, that's what's meant when people allege there was some collusion. Do you understand that a foreign power knew highly detailed information about American citizens and it's not clear how they were able to access that information?….Mueller could find that the Obama administration made a serious error and caused detailed voter information to get in the hands of that foreign government for all we know.

...How did a foreign power get personal voter data? Were they helped? Was it something caused by the previous administration? If so, will someone from that administration be held responsible? I find it ridiculous that people are so dead set on looking over the fact that serious attempts at actually hacking into voting machines were made and that securing our elections is some kind of joke. It's not a joke; which is why both parties came together and called it out and passed new sanctions against that foreign government. It's why there has been hearing after hearing on this. This is an American problem, not a left vs. right problem.

Let's break this into several manageable chunks.

1. Collusion vs conspiracy. You keep mentioning Muller. He is not interested in collusion but conspiracy, cover up, and if there was anything criminal done during the election that people on the Right were part of. Every time you misuse collusion you send a signal that you're paying attention to a partisan press.

If you want to understand what real collusion looks like check out what happens when a US senator steps out of bounds to influence Nicaragua.
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/04/20/us/congress-letter-to-nicaragua-dear-comandante.html

Or think back to the collusion between Stalin and Roosevelt on the post-WWII world.

There's even the alleged collusion between then Senator Kennedy and the KGB to undermine Regan (unproven).

Collusion is not what Muller is actively investigating – Russia and Trump did not set out to divide the US for Russia to rule by proxy. Muller is investigating whether or not Team Trump actively sought out help to undermine Hillary AND if there would be any legal statues broken vis a vie whatever proof they might find.

2. Your phrasing in, "[d]o you understand that a foreign power knew highly detailed information about American citizens" gives me the impression that Russian intelligence was directly targeting individual US citizens. To be honest, I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I did a few Google searches and found nothing to hint at what you're implying.

3. Why aren't people more interested in this alleged story? Because the US has actively interfered with foreign governments, foreign government actively do this as well, and when you step back, the whole story looks like revenge for the Birther issue.

Every iteration of the US government actively tries to alter world politics. What do you think sanctions have been in Cuba, North Korea, Iran but a means to make the public rise against their leaders to pursue an agenda our elites prefer. Do and did Russia and China try to influence our elections? Absolutely. Did they? Sure, to a point. But they can only create fake news stories on Facebook. If the public has been conditioned over time to be believe everything they read and hear, that's neither collusion or conspiracy; it's stupidity, a wake-up call to teach people how to think critically.

From where I sit, people rallying around this idea of collusion are no different than those who maintained the birther (non) issue. And if you're a foreign person whose country has been affected by the US, you'd see a layer of irony on top of that.