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    Posts made by strangeloop

    • RE: 25 far-left attacked conservative activists with iron bars, baseball bats

      @pppucci:

      You are cherry-picking incidents and I am too tired to find some horrific right wing attack in Germany. I already debunked your beer-bottle bar brawl as nothing more than a guy pushing another guy's girl and getting into a fight.  Oh, yeah, he was wearing a MAGA hat.   That makes it a hate crime!.

      Here's what you "debunked":

      "Val ( the victim) says he was dancing for a few hours on the dance floor when his red MAGA hat fell off. As he went to pick up his hat, a woman identified as Emma Rodriguez was stepping on his hat and told Val she hates the hat and hates him.

      Val  pushed her away to retrieve his hat when he got into a fight with Rodriguez’s boyfriend, Leonardo Heinert. Val was then struck in the face with a beer bottle by Heinert. Rodriguez also struck Val in the back of the head with a beer bottle.

      Val, Rodriguez and Heinert were all arrested and subsequently released."

      Are you serious?  And you're trying to make him out to be the aggressor lol.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: 25 far-left attacked conservative activists with iron bars, baseball bats

      @pppucci:

      I am sure we could find gorier photos for both sides if we looked. There is clearly violence on both sides in Germany.  But I am uninterested in discussing German politics.  I know very little about it and don't care to educate myself. Let's get back to American politics.

      Look at the pictures, 1 guy vs 3, did he even connect a single time lol?  The point being the extent of right wing violence is clearly manufactured.

      This is not even close to the same level as caving in someone's skull, setting officers on fire with molotovs, or bashing and cutting someone's face with a beer bottle.

      The real proof in the pudding is that even with the manufactured numbers, they STILL skew towards more liberal violence than conservative violence, and also a massive increase year over year.  And I KNOW you understood this.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: Intolerable violation by PPPUCCI

      It was an accident Frederick, chill man  :hug:

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: 25 far-left attacked conservative activists with iron bars, baseball bats

      @pppucci:

      here were 1,408 acts of far-right violence and 1,608 far-left attacks in Germany in 2015, up from around 990 and 995 respectively the previous year, according to a government report released in late June"

      Even by HuffPo's numbers, far-left violence is higher.  And they are certainly skewing that to shit, given their open left wing bias.  And you know what the funniest part about it is?  Here is the first image they cited of "right wing violence"

      So a lone individual who obviously isn't any real threat to you know, the group of at least three who are clearly harrassing him and clearly have fear of him whatsoever.  Yes, that is totally on the same level as a coordinated ambush by 25 men with baseball bats and other blunt objects.  This is the example of right-wing violence that HuffPo decided to lead with.

      You are being willfully ignorant.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • Nearly 200 Officers Injured During Hamburg riots

      Protesters at the G20 summit in Germany set a series of bonfires in the streets, looted shops, and stacked up blocks of pavement to use as projectiles as tension between demonstrators and police ratcheted up Friday night.

      At first police stayed back while the protesters took a hit-and-run approach, groups of them running up the road, throwing rocks and bottles, and quickly retreating.

      http://ktla.com/2017/07/07/nearly-200-officers-injured-during-protests-near-g-20-summit-dozens-arrested-police/

      Is the narrative still that cops = pigs in a blanket, therefore this widespread violence by the far left doesn't count?

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • 25 far-left attacked conservative activists with iron bars, baseball bats

      http://www.mz-web.de/mitteldeutschland/landfriedensbruch-in-oschersleben-angriff-aus-dem-hinterhalt-23466450

      A group of up to 25 men, who were suspected of being left behind, attacked a group of ten men on Saturday afternoon at the station in Oschersleben. As the Police Directorate in Magdeburg announced on Sunday morning, four people were attacked with iron bars, baseball batons and wooden boards. A 34-year-old man had suffered severe head injuries and had to be operated afterwards.

      One man had his head caved in and had to be rushed to the hospital for emergency surgery.

      Can we admit there is a problem yet… please?

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • Florida Antifa pleads guilty to assault on officer and violence inauguration day

      https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/florida-man-pleads-guilty-felony-charges-activities-inauguration-day-rioting

      Can we collectively as a whole agree that there is an issue with antifa and left wing extremist violence?

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: Liberal Violence: Liberals smash beer bottle over conservative man's face in NYC

      @Devken:

      @strangeloop:

      Source: https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/883438847421538306

      Do you actually have a report from something other than a fucking rando Twitter-account?

      Here is an article on the event.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: German antifa man calls reporter "nazi pig", pushes him to the ground

      @pppucci:

      @strangeloop:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/Timcast/status/883280369344290817

      More far-left violence, documented by video.  Is there anything more ironic than a German man accusing a reporter of being a nazi?

      It's time to stop denying there's a massive issue with liberal political violence.

      Strangeloop, you are a hoot.  One person gets pissed, hurls an epithet and pushes someone–That is a "massive issue with liberal political violence?"  and in the video itself, 5-10 people nearby pull the angry man off, separate the two, and help the reported get his things.

      I guess there is a massive issue with politically motivated liberal kindness as well.

      They repeatedly call him a nazi pig.   He constantly feels the need to claim "I'm not a nazi".   They constantly tell him to leave without his camera.   They constantly tell him to Fuck Off and that "you have to leave now, you have to leave now" despite the street being public property.  Yet they clearly felt entitled to remove him from the area.

      What do you think would happen if he stayed, or if he didn't constantly profess he's not a Nazi.

      Yeah they are so kind for not beating him into a pulp.  Is this your idea of a sick joke?   Give me a break!

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: Hamburg is a warzone thanks to far-left anarchists

      @pppucci:

      Strange loop, the two articles you cite are statistically flawed. The most important statistic is left out, which is the prevalence of political parties in the US:
      From Wikipedia:
      Gallup polling in 2010 that found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats (tying a 22-year low), 29% as Republicans, and 38% as independents.

      So most murders are committed by independents, if we are to use the logic of the first author.  The fact that blacks commit violent crimes out of proportion to their population has little to do with their party affiliation.  That article is not even a study.  It is a methodologically flawed manipulation of statistics by a pro-gun site.

      This is why I cited both a conservative source and a liberal source.  Both sources are flawed, but post-analysis of both articles it is possible to determine the truth on the matter based on only the data, not the spin of the pundits.  The second article was indeed based on a academic study.  A 2% differential between democrats and republicans does little to distort the 30%+ delta e.g. in North Carolina recorded in the study.  Read again the quote:

      In North Carolina, about a quarter of those who were released registered after their release. Of those, 52 percent registered as Democrats, 19 percent as Republicans and 22 percent as independents or with other parties.

      Go ahead. Google liberal violence.  You will find a lot of objectionable rhetoric, the shooting attack on the Republican baseball team (which was roundly condemned by liberal, including Bernie) and little else.  Yet Buzz Feed counted 28 incidents  of violence and racism in THE FIRST WEEK after the election. Why do you refuse to acknowledge all of these blatant incidents, including the ones I cited before?

      If all you can find is "little else" on liberal violence you are not even trying.  There is copious video documentation of violence against conservatives and not so much against liberals.  For every video you find of Trump supporters attacking liberals, I can probably find you 10 of vice versa.  There have also been a huge number of hate crime hoaxes, some of them very high profile incidents, and to ignore this effect is disingenuous.

      Meanwhile, you still cannot fake video documentation.  Unless you're willing to argue that only conservatives carry around smart phones, there should be no bias in the ability of either side to record the violence of the other.  And there is much more documentation of violence against conservatives, as I keep showing in threads like these.

      It's time to stop being ignorant of the issue of liberal violence.

      P.S.: I just went through the Buzzfeed article you mentioned, and actually ONLY TWO of those incidents contained any actual physical violence.  So you are being disingenuous even by the dubious claims of Buzz Feed and their low standards.  Think about how low you have to sink in order to be lower than Buzz Feed.  Buzz Feed is not a reputable site.  It is literally a clickbait site and doesn't even pretend to be anything else.  And yet it doesn't even support the claim you've made by citing it.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: Hamburg is a warzone thanks to far-left anarchists

      @sutieday:

      If your argument is that globalization is inherently bad and produces no benefit to people, then you would have to prove that.

      I did not argue whether globalization is bad or good.  I'm simply asking for empircal evidence that globalization "is great".  You named a few features of globalization such as free movement of people between countries.  Has this been shown at all to benefit the countries taking in immigrants in any way?  In terms of quality of life, happiness measurements, etc.  I'm an empiricist, show me the data.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: Hamburg is a warzone thanks to far-left anarchists

      @sutieday:

      I don't know about the tendency of Hamburg leftists to be violent, strangeloop, can you share any info on that? Since it is the subject of your primary post.

      The tendency is informed by the evidence and documentation widely available.  I've posted several videos here, whether it's cars and windows being smashed, people being punched and called "nazi pigs" for no reason at all, or independent journalists literally being tracked as targets, assaulted and harassed.

      All of these things have evidence and documentation.  So I would say tendency of violence by anarchists in hamburg has been well proven.

      @Rudric:

      I don't want to go to imaginary left and right divisions…. But - G20 causes large scale suffering to millions of people and causes huge environmental destruction to our planet.

      Globalization is great - but how it's done is the major issue of the demonstrations. "welcome to hell" symbolizes the suffering and destruction that G20 causes to humans and the planet.

      What evidence do you have that "globalization is great".  How has globalization made Europe a better place in any way shape or form?

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: Praising Your Leaders Versus Trolling Your Opponents

      Has it ever occured to you that I am not a Trump fanatic?  Just because I disagree with liberals, doesn't mean I agree with the president on everything.  He is not "my leader" in any sense where he isn't also yours (if you're an American).  I think he is an "OK" president, certainly not the Hitler the left tries to make him out as.  I overall support him mostly because the alternatives are completely detestable.

      IMO, the pre-eminent political issue today is the implosion of the left in all it forms and just the sheer arrogance, tribalism and toddler-like behavior they have adopted which undermines our society.  Whether it's left-wing censorship revealing it's authoritarian nature, SJWs who demonstrate that they are incapable of honesty, or liberals who feel empowered to promote and commit violence due to the current political atmosphere.

      If we praise Trump for the positive things he's done, then we are fanatics, a cult of personality.  If we focus on issues in the left, then by golly we are just negative nancies with no positive message.

      There's seems just no way for us to please you.  What exactly do you want?

      If you want positive messages, I would say they are this:

      Freedom of speech - censorship across social media, censorship built in to google search results, censorship through threats and acts of violence, people being fired for expressing mainstream conservative opinions - these things are not OK
      Egalitarianism - not equal outcome, but equal opportunity
      Self-determination - the right of communities, people and nations to choose the path for themselves they think is best, and not be forced upon by external authorities (as the E.U. is attempting to force itself on Poland and Eastern Europe)

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: Hamburg is a warzone thanks to far-left anarchists

      Pucci, liberals are far, far more violent than conservatives ever could be in the U.S.   The numbers are not on your side.

      No, the numbers aren't even close. The number of attacks by leftists far FAR outweigh the attacks by the right.  The large majority of gun violence is committed by democrats:

      Source: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/06/robert-farago/firearms-related-homicides-democratic-vs-republican-affiliation/
      Source 2: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/01/ted-cruz/are-overwhelming-majority-violent-criminals-democr/

      And yes I see that Politifact rating, as it is biased. The thing is, even though they try to qualify the issue, they still have to report the numbers.  Here are the numbers from the politifact article:

      For instance, in New York, about one-third of felons released from prison registered to vote after their release. Of those, about 62 percent registered as Democrats and 9 percent registered as Republicans, with 26 percent registering as independents or with other parties.

      In North Carolina, about a quarter of those who were released registered after their release. Of those, 52 percent registered as Democrats, 19 percent as Republicans and 22 percent as independents or with other parties.

      And in New Mexico, 41 percent of those who were released registered to vote. Of those, 55 percent registered as Democrats, 10 percent as Republicans and 18 percent as independents or with other parties.

      These things are true.  Not mostly true, or mostly false, just true.

      You need to stop denying that there is an issue with left wing violence.  The numbers and statistics are not on your side.  The anecdotes are not on your side.  The video documentation is not on your side.

      Here is a video of ultra-left wing black bloc rioters in Hamburg smashing windows and setting the city on fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sRjonStJv0

      Will you continue to argue there is no problem specifically with left wing violence?

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: Hamburg is a warzone thanks to far-left anarchists

      @sutieday:

      When have I implied that extremism is acceptable? I have said that it is a problem on both the left and the right. The radical left causes the radical right to come out and vice-versa.

      I have no issue with the fact that there are far-left and far-right groups.  Finding their mere existence to be problematic is a form of extremism as well – centrist extremism if you will.  The problem I am talking about is not the existence of these groups, but the culture of pro-violence and the disproportionate violence committed by left-wing extremists and often encouraged by mainstream liberals.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: Hamburg is a warzone thanks to far-left anarchists

      @sutieday:

      Anarchism isn't a left only thing. It is actually found on both the left and the right. So to claim that they are all far-left, without any evidence, is disingenuous.

      My intention wasn't to be disingenuous.  I thought because it was so well documented, it wouldn't need additional confirmation.  Thank you for correcting that misconception.

      Here is a reuters article on the riots.

      For the 1,000 hard-left militants who wreaked havoc on the streets of Hamburg, German Chancellor Angela Merkel could not have chosen a better location to hold the G20 summit.

      Here is a BBC article on the riots.

      So who are the anarchists?
      Far-left extremism has become a feature of protests in recent years, and Hamburg - known for its squatter scene, which developed in the 1980s - is not stranger to violent protests.

      But the city was not just on alert for extremists within its bounds. Police were expecting them to be joined by left-wing extremists from other German cities, including Berlin and Rostock, with others coming from further afield.

      I am curious if you still think there is no issue with left-wing violence and extremism?

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: German antifa man calls reporter "nazi pig", pushes him to the ground

      @sutieday:

      @strangeloop:

      Is there anything more ironic than a German man accusing a reporter of being a nazi?

      Are you trying to say that all Germans are Nazis? If so, you're wrong. Yes, the Nazis/Nazi Party was German, but it did not comprise all of the German people at that time nor at the present date.

      No, you are right.  I'm not saying all germans are nazi.  I'm simply pointing out the irony of the situation and pointing out further issues with the widespread left-wing violence.

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    • German antifa man calls reporter "nazi pig", pushes him to the ground

      https://mobile.twitter.com/Timcast/status/883280369344290817

      More far-left violence, documented by video.  Is there anything more ironic than a German man accusing a reporter of being a nazi?

      It's time to stop denying there's a massive issue with liberal political violence.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • Hamburg is a warzone thanks to far-left anarchists

      Video: https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b5d_1499422515

      Smoke billowing far across the city.  Every other car on the street is on fire.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: Liberal Violence: Liberals smash beer bottle over conservative man's face in NYC

      @pppucci:

      Is your argument that the left is catching up with the right in terms of violence? Because your innocent act ain't gonna fly:

      No, the numbers aren't even close. The number of attacks by leftists far FAR outweigh the attacks by the right.  The large majority of gun violence is committed by democrats:

      Source: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/06/robert-farago/firearms-related-homicides-democratic-vs-republican-affiliation/
      Source 2: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/01/ted-cruz/are-overwhelming-majority-violent-criminals-democr/

      And yes I see that Politifact rating, as it is biased. The thing is, even though they try to qualify the issue, they still have to report the numbers.  Here are the numbers from the politifact article:

      For instance, in New York, about one-third of felons released from prison registered to vote after their release. Of those, about 62 percent registered as Democrats and 9 percent registered as Republicans, with 26 percent registering as independents or with other parties.

      In North Carolina, about a quarter of those who were released registered after their release. Of those, 52 percent registered as Democrats, 19 percent as Republicans and 22 percent as independents or with other parties.

      And in New Mexico, 41 percent of those who were released registered to vote. Of those, 55 percent registered as Democrats, 10 percent as Republicans and 18 percent as independents or with other parties.

      These things are true.  Not mostly true, or mostly false, just true.

      You need to stop denying that there is an issue with left wing violence.  The numbers and statistics are not on your side.  The anecdotes are not on your side.  The video documentation is not on your side.

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