Posts made by raphjd

Let's drop the "health" argument as that's done through various outlets, including health clinics for the poor run by cities and counties.

When we lived in Houston, I used to take a friend with HIV to the city health clinic in our "area" of town.    That clinic provided services for anyone who was poor.  If you needed hospital treatment, they sent you to the county hospital.    Same thing in Chicago.    My hometown turned the old hospital into a medical center for the not so well off.  You pay on a sliding scale, based on ability to pay.

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As I've previously mentioned, there's the video of the vaginalist being questioned by Congressman Trey Gowdy in a Congressional hearing.    She admitted that PP is not needed as it's services are available through other means.  She also grudgingly admitted that PP is a problem in abortion funding because it's a flashpoint on the topic.

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If you listen to black identitarians, you will hear how abortion is genocide against blacks because of the high abortion rates for blacks compared to other races.    Of course, they blame whites for the rates of abortions by blacks.

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Crime rates have been declining.  That is true.      HOWEVER, it doesn't match abortion rates.

If you look at year on year crime rates, then compare that to the years abortions have been legal and a number of abortions, you will see that crime rates kept going up after Roe v Wade.

In 1960, violent crime rates were much lower than they have been since.  1990 - 1994 were the years with the highest violent crime rates.  That's 20 years after RvW.

Between 1973 (RvW) and 2002, violent crime rates spiked.  Only 1974 and 1975 had lower violent crime rates, but barely.  Oddly, 1975 had an overall spike in crime rates, but a minor drop in violent crimes.

Even with the current downward trend of violent crimes, it's still more than double that of 1960.

I'm betting that you looked at the Justice Department's graph on violent crime since RvW.  Of course, you would still have to ignore the 20 years spike.    You need to look at the longer graphs to get a true picture of the violent crime rates.

SO, DOES ABORTION LOWER CRIME RATES?!    FUCK NO!!!

Mexicans in the US and the fear of offending them is a major part of why Americans get things wrong about Mexico.

Most Americans learn what Cinco De Mayo is from Mexicans in America.  Even if you have been to Mexico and know it's different, you can't say anything if you are white, because that's somehow racism.

@Eridanos:

@raphjd:

As a Mexican, what's your view on taking exams?

Does taking exams equal white supremacy?

Taking exams has nothing to do about white supremacy.  I feel it's a very, very poorly thought and shitty excuse.  Exams just show how much you've learned from your courses.

I knew that was gonna be your answer because you are a normal person.

I just wanted you, as a Mexican, to post that to show the SJWs what you thought about it.  Also, it shows normal people that not all Mexicans are freaks.

If you want to whine about ad hominem attacks, maybe you should go back and reread your posts, especially to me.

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You are willing to execute innocent men to prevent some other men from committing a crime, but you can't see how fucked up that is.

You don't care about fixing prosecutorial misconduct, etc, etc, etc.  You just want to punish innocent men.    Misandry much?

You are willing to ignore police corruption like we saw in the OJ case.    You don't give a fuck that police plant evidence.  You don't give a fuck that evidence was left to cook in a hot crime scene van.  Not to mention all the other shit that happened in that case.

Your stance is also extremely classist since only the extremely wealthy can afford a good legal team to keep them out of prison, let alone being executed.    We could also call it racist since, as we here from black identitarians,  "POCs" are poor and whites are wealthy.

You still haven't answered the question.  In your mind, saving the life of 1 person is worth how many lives of innocent men?  What's the acceptable ratio for you?

Are you gonna follow feminists and say that for every 1,000 rapes, we need to imprison 1,000 men, regardless of the fact that most rapes rape part of a serial thing, not one-off rapes?    Ok yeah, that changes with the modern redefining everything rape, but that is a different thread.

Are you gonna go down the JUST BELIEVE route, despite the fact that we know that people lie?

You don't want to execute people for being gay, but you want to execute people for simply existing because someone else might commit a crime.

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What makes me a better person than you is that I'm not willing to trade innocent lives in hopes that it prevents crimes.

"The Boy Next Door" serial killer killed at least 10 people in about 4 different states.    Chicago PD was gonna pin it on someone else, which you would support because, in your warped mind, it would stop the real killer or someone else from committing a crime.  Even the LAPD pinned it on the wrong guy, but let him out of jail when more murders happened with the same MO.    Catching the real killer was a fluke and linking him to the other cases was even a bigger fluke.  You'd be happy if 10 people got executed for the 10 known murders he committed.

I'm also against willful wrongdoing in the "justice" system, unlike you.

In every scenario you used, I'm not willing to trade innocent lives in hopes it prevents crimes.    As fucked up as the crimes you used are, it's even worse to murder innocent men in hopes that it prevents crimes they had nothing to do with.

You support murdering innocent men.  I do not.

You want to take the focus off murdering innocent men because it does make you look like a vile asshole.    "Don't look at that part, just think of the victims it'll save".    Umm, feminists use that exact same argument to justify their JUST BELIEVE bullshit.  You and they, both, have a totally fucked up way of "crime prevention".

Oddly,  you don't use actual crime stats and target the people with the highest violent crime rates and murder the entire group.  Of course, this would be RACIST, but does that really matter in your worldview of crime prevention?    3% to 5% (13-40 yo black males) of the US population commit 50% of all the violent crime.

This links into your stance on abortion.  You don't care about abortion being a racist issue (not even counting the "blacks are weeds that need exterminating" comment of PP's founder).  Blacks have the highest abortion rate.

So, why are you so scared to be in favor of killing blacks men en masse, but you have no problem with blacks having abortions at such high rates?

Lot's of women are on the pill, until the "opps" moment.    This is especially true if you are rich and famous.

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Your whole premise is based on executing innocent men so some guilty men don't go free.    I can understand why you don't want us to think about executing innocent men.  It makes you look like an asshole.

How many innocent men are you willing to allow to be executed in order to prevent 1 crime?    Give us a number.

You want innocent men to be executed to prevent a rape or carjacking.  How many innocent men need to be executed before you are willing to say "that's fucking enough" to prevent a single carjacking?!

Ok, so you admit that some innocent men are executed.  That is why I made my original post.  I said I support the death penalty in principle, but not in practice because innocent people get executed.    You support the death penalty and say who gives a fuck about the innocent men who get executed, I don't know them.    That is the difference between our stances.

But those are real cases, that you support happening exactly like they did.  Also, if you want to complain about "emotion" then why did you set up the scenario about my family?  It was for emotional reasons.    Do you really not get that?

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Ok, so which male members of your family and loved ones are you going to sacrifice to this "justice" system you support?  Come on, you can't be willing to throw everyone else under the bus if you aren't willing to do it to your own.  And NO, I'm not talking about Uncle Jim that everyone hates.  It has to be someone you actually care about.

In your child molestation example, how does executing innocent men have anything to do with piss poor sentencing and the refusal to build more prisons?    In Europe, they don't "punish" they "rehabilitate".  This means they are weak on criminals, actual fucking criminals.  It has nothing to do with executing innocent men.

In the US, to get out on parole, you only have to claim to be sorry and a believer of one of the big 3 religions.    In the UK, you have to say sorry and admit you are guilty.    You won't get out on parole unless you admit you are guilty, in the UK.  You also have to sign a document stating that the conviction was just.

Instead of focusing on executing innocent men, make the justice system really about justice.

Stop focusing on executing innocent men and focus on prosecutorial misconduct, police corruption and the like.

Not once have you advocated fixing the system.  Your stance has always been, the system if fucked, so execute innocent men.

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I believe OJ is a murderer.  HOWEVER, the stench of shit by the LAPD, et al, never left my nostrils.      The cop that admitted on tape that he (and other cops) would routinely plant evidence was glaring when he is the one that found all the main evidence.    Blood evidence items left in a crime scene van with a broken cooling system.

While I do believe he's guilty, I would vote NOT GUILTY if I was on that jury.

It appears to be a family depute that turned deadly.    The killer shot up the church his wife's family went to.

It's been reported that the wife's grandmother was shot (no word on current status) and her mother was also there but no word on her (injured or not).

Disney Florida has an age limit.  Kids under a certain age have to be with a parent or legal guardian.    I can't remember what it was (too long ago) but my guess would be 15yo.

As a Mexican, what's your view on taking exams?

Does taking exams equal white supremacy?

It is bullshit; pure and simple.  Do you want me to pretend that it's not?

Of course I'd be furious that the criminal got off.    HOWEVER, what good would it do to execute innocent men?  How the hell would that make me feel better?!    How would executing a soldier who was proven not to even be in the country at the time (the UK case I mentioned) benefit me in the scenario you mentioned?  How would if benefit me to execute someone like Derrick Bennett (other UK case mentioned)?

The points you brought up have nothing to do with your stance on it being a good thing to execute innocent men.

Option B is executing innocent men.

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I'm not saying you are arguing like a feminist.  I'm saying you are using the same arguments they use to justify their lies about rape stats, to justify their bullshit JUST BELIEVE and other things where innocent men are sent to prison.    You and feminists argue for sending innocent men to prison, JUST IN CASE.

You are deflecting by keep trying to change my words to be about HOW you argue, not WHAT you are arguing.  I'm not concerned about HOW, but about WHAT.

I bet if you were in GWB's position when he ran for President, you too would be so fucked up that you would refuse to delay the execute for 30 days to see what the DNA evidence said.    I'm also sure you would react the same way he did; "well he was guilty when he was executed".  He still maintains that he did nothing wrong by not delaying it 30 days to wait for the DNA results.  He still maintains that he never executed an innocent person.

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I agree, the redefining of rape, sexual assault and sexual harassment would need it's own thread.  BUT, I'm not talking about that.    I'm only talking the "all men are evil and need to be sent to prison" mentality of feminists.

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If you are interested, there's a movie about the Derrick Bennett case.  Christopher Eccles (former Dr Who - 2005 series) played Derrick.

There's also a movie about the other case I mentioned but I can't remember anything about it other than the story.

Again for the SJWs;

Her body, her choice, her wallet.    If we can't regulate their vaginas, then we have no business paying for their abortions.

Also, doesn't Obama-care force abortion coverage on insurers?

At least, the bullshit argument that since it was a legal right, that we should have to pay for it has been dropped.

While ZERO innocent men may be impossible, that is exactly what we should aim for.    As long as innocent men are being convicted, we need to end the death penalty.    You on the other hand are advocating for executing as many innocent men as "needed" to foster this insane "crime prevention" bullshit.

If anyone you care about is ever wrongly convicted, you had better get on TV telling the world how it's a great thing and not fight to free them. Doing otherwise would show that either you have been trolling this thread or you are a hypocrite when it comes to you and your own.  I suspect you are a hypocrite.

Keep saying I'm talking like and SJW when your argument is the same as the feminists' argument.  You both want innocent men sent to prison, just in case.

"Extreme cases" as in innocent men executed, which you support as "crime prevention".  It's not "extreme cases" if you can just wave them away with your hand in a "who gives a fuck about them" manner that you've been doing.

I already gave you a better way.  Look at the crime stats and kill the group(s) with the highest portions of violent crimes.  That would do more than executing random innocent men, for crime prevention.    It goes along with your stance on abortion.    Planned Parenthood was a way to get rid of the "weeds" as the founder called them.

Women have 100% of the say in whether we are fathers of not.    So why should I pay for her abortion?

Her body, her choice, her wallet

I have repeatedly commented on your idiotic rubbish.  You are advocating executing innocent men to prevent crimes.

As for the rest of it, stop playing up to the leftists here.

NOPE, didn't drop it because that is you point.  You believe that the state murdering innocent men prevents crime.

You are advocating "fishnet justice" in hopes that killing innocent men, further crimes will be prevented.

I don't think you are going as far as feminism with the 1,000 rapes requires 1,000 men to go to prison, because stupidly they believe that every single rape is done by a different man or they just hate men.  Who knows which, but you do seem to be going down that road, at least a bit.

Of course you aren't arguing individual cases, but you are arguing for innocent individuals to be murdered by the state.  You're like the farmer who doesn't name his cows because he's gonna kill them at the end of the year.

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So, I'm not paying but everyone is paying.  So none of my money is part of "everyone's money".  Yeah, ok.

Originally, I was pointing out that we don't need PP because, even the vaginalists admitted before Congress, the same services are provided elsewhere.

After that, I was talking about your reason that we NEED abortions and how that is just as fucked up as your reason for justifying murdering innocent men to prevent crime.

As I already pointed out, CIS came out of the textbooks and into the mainstream as a way of abusing normative people.

You can go back about 5 or so years and see it explode on to the scene and used a weapon against people whose identity matches their sex.

You clearly do support "fishing net justice" with your crap about executing innocent men prevents repeat offenders.

YES, any time an innocent person is wrongfully imprisoned/executed, it is wrong.  The only people needing executing are those that advocate for this shit.

How is GWB refusing to delay that execution by 30 days to wait for the DNA test a bad thing?  It's not and people like you have no problem with it.    The man was fucking proven innocent 3 weeks after he was executed by the state.    I bet you beat your dick when you think about that, based on your posts.

Your argument about tax money is not me paying for something is bullshit, again.

I never claimed that I personally own the 3rd desk to the left at the Houston branch of PP, as you walk in the door.    HOWEVER, my taxes went to help pay for it.

If no one paid taxes, then PP wouldn't exist in its current form, if at all.

I'll give you a little hint, tax money comes from people paying taxes, which is money.  Taxes aren't cheese or the odd socks that are left over every time you do laundry.  It's actually money that people are forced to give to the government.

Your examples are bullshit on their very face because no one made that claim; direct ownership.    If you want to continue this line of blatant crap, you will have to show me where I said I personally own the front door or any other physical item at PP.

And AGAIN, why do we have to pay for their stuff?!    They don't pay for my rights, but I have to pay for theirs.    I noticed you dropped this bit from your previous argument.

Your argument to justify PP is that some kids might have a bad upbringing, so kill a fuck ton of them to prevent it.    Besides being insane, don't you realize that a fuck ton of kids have horrendous lives anyway?    So let's have a realistic look at your argument.  Use abortion to prevent kids from having a horrendous life,  but there are billions of kids with horrendous lives.    So, your logic says we aren't killing enough of them to prevent this.

If we look at your other argument from the other thread, we need to kill a bunch of them anyway to keep repeat offending down.  Who gives a fuck if they ever committed a crime or not, we need to kill.

It's not murder though because the state is doing it.

If we don't execute everyone, except the last human on earth, then how are we to be sure that a crime won't be committed.

Stop trying to blow smoke up our asses.

You justified killing innocent men to prevent crimes.  While my statement quoted above might be extreme, it's firmly grounded in the crap you are advocating here.

It is a slippery slope where we start executing innocent people to POSSIBLY prevent repeat offenses.

Tree of Logic, on YouTube, is a former Texas cop and a black woman, oh and a conservative too and she's not afraid to show crime stats.    If you are so worried about repeat offenders and being a victim of violent crimes, then maybe you should advocate killing people based on those stats.  When you look closely at it,  3% to 5% of the US population commit 50% of the murders and violent crimes.    It's odd how fond you are of Planned Parenthood, but butthurt when I mention this idea.  Unlike the founder of PP, this concept doesn't kill an entire race in the US, just the main problem ones.

I was just watching a documentary about a serial killer.  According to your argument, you'd be happy with executing up to 10 innocent men for his crimes, to make sure he's executed too.  Sadly, you are delusional to think that killing all those innocent men for his crimes would stop him from killing the others.  NO, he'd still be out there killing while the state kills innocent men.

Your idiotic way of solving the problem of "repeat offenders" is to kill innocent men, because let's get real, we rarely kill women for their crimes due to the pussy pass.  You haven't mentioned criminalizing bad behavior by DAs, police, and whatnot like I have.    NO, you want to kill innocent men because somehow that might prevent serial killers from repeating their crimes.

It's like how feminists claim that every single rape is a different rapist and that they all must be thrown in prison.  They don't care about the fact that most rapes are part of a group of rapes by a single person.  I don't think you are as evil as they are because you aren't as demanding that we wrongfully lock up innocent men.

I didn't call you a cuck unless you feel yourself to be a feminist cuck.    I was talking about you and feminists, including their cucks. If you feel you are a feminist cuck, then oh well.

HOWEVER, I do feel that you should get some of the wonderful justice you are willing to dole out onto other people and their families.    If this shit you are willing to throw on other families is so good, then you should wish that it happened to you and your loved ones too.

Your idea is shit and it takes a morally fucked up person to even suggest that.

If you are butt hurt about repeat offenders, then execute everyone who commits any sort of crime.

Maybe you should look at crime stats and advocate executing the worst of the worst, like they do with dogs.  A few dogs do a few bad things, so we kill the entire breeds.

Now I really do hope you get your wish and you wrongly get executed.  Then again, NO.  I hope it happens to someone you care about, so you can be around to tell us how wonderful it was that your loved one was wrongly executed.

If we don't execute everyone, except the last human on earth, then how are we to be sure that a crime won't be committed.