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These days it feels as though you can hardly turn around without finding someone showing their package on camera, taking pictures of what is definitely not "junk" but the procreation equipment is a necessity as well as attractive and fun.

But where ARE all these leaked selfies and videos? Sometimes mentioned in newspapers and magazines, often mentioned online, but again… where? As it happens, there is a one-stop solution for most of your voyeur needs in this regard:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B414hrAL3fTJOHNWVDFTV2UyRVk

I have no idea what drive.google.com is and have not tried to find out, but perhaps it means some international hero has gathered up the evidence and unleashed it for hours of happy fapping by a vast array of horndogs wanting their movie star fantasies to reach new heights.

Movie and TV actors, musicians and rappers, celebs who are "young, dumb, and full of cum," professional athletes, models, reality show participants, and personal trainers are here in abundance. Some long videos, some short.

Someone did a lot of work, and there really is an amazing wealth of material here. I don't see the Jessica Simpson tape with Nick Lachey, the Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee tape or the one she made with Bret Michaels. Maybe, like the Paris Hilton visuals, they are considered too female in orientation. No Kardashian sluts here!

Now that cameras and the Internet make videos as easy as boners, and drunks will do what drunks do-- esp. young drunks, esp. when they are millionaire jocks, these will continue to entertain. They also can sure help a person's career like a well-timed cock shot? Martin Milner was a successful actor when he showed his shlong in an early Playgirl when such daring was not easy for the magazine to find, but he is remembered for that shoot today just as Burt Reynolds will forever be remembered for his nude spread, no matter how many mega hits he has on the silver screen.

All this is to the good, if you ask my opinion, which you did not. Look at that Canadian dude with all his tats and all the women he's boinked. Lots of butt, lots of dick. Unless he learns to sing, about all that's left is for him to demonstrate his skills using his hand of choice or hole of opportunity.

A stunningly handsome jock like Tim Tebow just might be a better player if he threw caution to the winds and stopped with his christianist teasing-- not so holy he won't exploit his bulging attributes, but too hypocritical to let us enjoy the blessing bestowed on him at birth or puberty by the one true god, perhaps as a substitution for enough sports skills to reach the top. Compare, for example, the great Gronk, overgrown frat boy who IS at or near the top of Yankee football and who loves public partying to please his fans-- and because he can. We all know what else he could do to please his admirers when he's not working on the gridiron, but so far he hasn't done a Farve or Brady. And none of them have made videos either, though soccer players often run wild.

Maybe that's because most of them are from outside the walls protecting the terrorized racists now in charge of dismantling the land of the freest and bestest, the home of the world's greatest sexual liberty and joy. (Kidding. We're still back where uninvited snatch grabbing is a sign of manhood if yr fingers are too short to avoid derision.)

Haven't seen Ronaldo yet, who keeps playing peek-a-boo, but unlike an aging dick, hope springs eternal. Showing off a conspicuous boner doesn't seem to have hurt the career of Mario Goetze, the epitome of golden youth, physical fitness, and massive weath at an early age when his hormones are still, bless them, out of control.

Mumble, muble. I just think the more stars and role models strut their stuff, the better for all of us. Big Brother may not actually require a quota of frontal flaunting, but the happy studs involved mostly act as if it is their duty, if only (perhaps) to please or seduce their female companions and potential hookups after their 15 minutes of fame are over. And thank Priapus! At least some of these dudes go on to make actual porn.

I hope the link works for everyone and that you find some Good Stuff to enjoy and to get off on. Lots of directories, including some clips from mainstream movies, so it may take some time to explore. Yes, lots of models and actors/musicians/rappers from outside the U.S. or who are otherwise unknown to the world, but British Big Brother stars and naked dudes from other UK shows are not necessarily household names in the US, but with their relaxed, open, manly enjoyment of their fine bodies and abundant sexual opportunities, they will make new fans for years to come because of what they are doing now to revel and flaunt and exploit their capacity for lust.

The various forms and iterations of MTV's Real World franchise spent more time teasing than any modern and up-to-date country would require, but while they have a ban on drugs and nekkid kids at play, some have gone on to porn or at least leaked images, which goes a long way in my book to make up for the former lumberjack who is totally in the pocket of our current tyranny and racist revival, acting even more brain-dead than he did when he was on cam and young enough for idiocy to be an excuse for irresponsible behavior. Never mind....

Inspirational, that's what it is. Just plain inspirational.

Also, too, perhaps people who check out those links will offer material that is NOT on that fairly extensive site and discuss it on this forum. Yay.

In the 1969 Arlo Guthrie movie "Alice's Restaurant," telling the story behind his musical narrative performance, a woman asks "Are you going to make your move?" and he says, "I can do that." Then they fuck.

In real life at about that time a US Navy sailor known for his prowess, at about age 20, remarked to his roommate, "I'm about to make my move," and then took the birthday girl away from her party and into bed.

Have any of you ever used this expression or heard it used to indicate the attempted launch of an imminent sexual encounter? How common is the term and what is the first time you can recall hearing it, or the oldest example that comes to mind?

It just seems like an odd expression, almost what lawyers would call a "term of art," for a particular sexual situation of someone – always a man? -- who is on the brink of consummation or is on the verge of actually having sex with someone. It is essentially the final step in the process of seduction or pairing off for sex acts; not the actual penetration but the steps immediately prior to seeking assent.

Or perhaps these clumsy efforts to define the term are not how you use or have heard the term used, and a more fair description might be different.

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/ says "make a move" means "to approach someone with romantic intent." That certainly is a euphemism.

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/ offers "to attempt to seduce someone" and "to show someone you are sexually attracted to them." No, it's an attempt to culminate that attraction by acting on the desire, right?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/ also circles around the specific intention by claiming that "to make a move" means "to make an advance on a person with the intention of becoming more than just friends."

Anyway, just struck me as an oddly specific sexual term, to say that one is moving in for the conquest– no, there may BE a conquest, but it's not for the bedpost notch but for the fuck that one makes one's move. And there is a related term to make your move too soon.

It's just one little bit of specialized male vernacular that applies to a particular and widely known activity or process that is familiar enough and common enough to have an apparently standardized term for it, but does the term go back before the 1960s? The Oxford English Dictionary doesn't seem to report on the phrase or its first known use.

Graham Patrick Martin played a hustler who had seen a murder in Griffith Park in Los Angeles near the end of The Closer, and his character and story line continued when the series was rejiggered into Major Crimes. Most of the regular characters are interesting and the way his character is treated is esp. enlightened in these troubling times.

Is he gay? Some think so, some don't, and for the longest number of episodes, it was not stated. And no one blinked or seemed to care anyway. The attractice straight actor has previously been seen mostly in tv comedies, esp. as the half-man's stoner friend in Two and a Half Men, before the ingrate started mouthing off about how he'd become a "Christian" and regretted being in such a sex-positive comedy series. Sure made a lot of money before he was enlightened, though, and the spaced-out scenes with Martin are a hoot.

An old interview with Martin about his character on the show is still worth reading:

http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/television/2014/07/03/how-major-crimes-actor-and-gay-showrunner-created-one-best

Elsewhere in this forum I've spoken about the dead and forgotten Canadian series Alienated, taking place in a suburban area of Vancouver Island, where it was shot. The family has an encounter of the Third Kind and is transformed in highly sexual ways. The 14-year-old boy begins banging his teacher. Grandpa starts chasing anything in skirts. The husband who had lost interest in sex suddenly can't get enough of his wife, who used to want him, but…. And the lesbian daughter who comes out.

Maybe it's just me, but when sperm glows green after The Encounter, I thought the blatant innuendo was hot (but not visually indiscreet) when the kid is having a back seat makeout session with his teacher in a somewhat distant car and it concluded with a sudden flash of radiant green light.

Cuervos626 - Thanks for suggestion of Las Vegas. This is a sit-com from Colombia, right? In Spanish, then? I like the idea of women running a male strip club as the subject of a series. Could be hilarious, raise social issues, political issues, and raise other things than issues if they have the courage to show it all.

There have already been mainstream movies about making of naked calendars– one a fiction about college students showing enterprise and skin, another about older women featuring themselves and others in their age range. These are fictions, not "making of" documentaries like those from Warwick rowers with their fearless flaunting of healthy male bodies frolicking in the all-together, or the Dieux du Stade athletes. A recent Hallmark Channel movie in the US featured a romance with a cat-loving (but not "cat"-grabbing!) fireman first seen in a beefcake photo shoot. An old Gregory Harrison movie "For Ladies Only" also deals with male stripping so that's not a new idea by any means.

What I want to know is what anyone/everyone has to say about the episodes themselves. And, of course Where are they? How can they be watched? Apart from the kinds and amounts of mouth-watering displays of the manly bits of manly men, does this series have anything else to recommend it? Like, if it is a comedy, is it funny?

Might also be fun if these dames discover a possible male audience and perhaps schedule a regular No Gurlz night. If the show-offs agree. And do they "date" customers in the manner alleged of chorus girls in burlesque revues?

"Reality" shows, of course, are increasingly blatant. MTV long censored their visuals but now Big Brother around the world pretty much goes all the way into full-on action, and not just solo relief either. Whether Essex or Ex Beach, the willingness to show and/or pander seems a necessity and as we all know can lead to actual porn or attempts at a porn career. (Too bad there is such negative response to athletes in school, college, or Olympic-type competitions making a little loot on the side, but maybe the next step would be escort services and those are definitely not allowed in this country because reasons. Also, too, hypocrisy.

And, off-topic, there used to be a German game show called, IIRC, Tutti-Frutti, where male and female contestants got asked stupid questions, riddles, puns, and then had to strip down to their undies when they came up with the wrong answer. Far as I could tell from the one episode I saw long ago, and not speaking German, it looked pretty entertaining. Not as entertaining as today's naked dating (fully pixilated in the cowardly US broadcast versions), but that was not this century either.

What a nice topic, btw. I hope many will chime in with suggestions, comments, sources, and advice.

Pubes showing in Speedos are no surprise, but there also seems to be a real move toward showing pubic hair when men are simply walking on the street or otherwise living their lives in public. Perhaps it is an alternative to conspicuous bulging in tight and revealing pants (not underwear). Freeballing enhances the show-off factor to begin with, and with nothing between the stud and his single major garment, untrimmed hair curling lush and luxuriantly works as a serious advertisement.

Even a thin line of barely perceptible crotch curls enhances the view that is presented, especially when no shirt is worn. Sagging that goes so far as to show the bottom hem of boxers is all well and good if you are an immature teen or Bieb wannabee, but a whole new world of lascivious display opens up when aggressive sagging takes place without any garment to expose.

Personally, I find these careless displays of puberty's successful package decoration insanely irresistible. They make me think the men in these photos are overwhelmingly sexual creatures, happily broadcasting their fertility 24-seven no matter what else they may be doing, a constant announcement that here is a vital and potent fucking machine, a male inseminator, well equipped and fully prepared to deliver.

How common is this hirsute display? Is it just something found online where models are teasing, or is it really comfortably normative and acceptable among random groups of mates as suggested by some of these images? If you have ever seen such a visual, um, fashion statement, please say when and where and in what circumstances. Did it seem to be deliberate, an intentional revelation, or something more accidental, something the male(s) seemed not to be aware of?

So far a couple of people have approved young on old, but oddly (?) it is almost always the old on young that turns up in porn. Maybe young dudes want to get off with someone besides their classmates or others of same age, but maybe also they want to show off their ability to please an older man who might be more experienced. Maybe the lad can learn something, maybe the old man can really enjoy the vigor and stamina and enthusiasm of some raging young stud delivering hot, fresh loads.

Instead, almost all there is turns out to be older men dominating, taking their pleasure by topping those who may have less power and authority in the relationship or even in the larger world outside. I can see the appeal of older men watching some stand-in taking charge and penetrating, but some of us like the fantasy of being plowed by some young leading man who normally gets celeb pussy or who can have a considerable choice of equally young jocks, singers, actors, and models.

What would it be like to take the Lady Gaga role with Taylor Kinney for an all night romp? To be bred by Ryan Gosling, or some onscreen werewolf with abs of steel normally seen debauching entire towns of busty gals in heat? For the quarterback to serve his coach the way he pleases a prom queen, for a new recruit to fuck the bosun, a chaser to put it to a happily caught chub…. These are not the majority of age gap videos, and damn' hard to find as a result.

Anyone who has old on young or fit on fat couplings from this site would be a public service (there was an L in that word!) by naming titles or otherwise helping spread the word. We may never experience hormone-addled over-inked kids like Bieb or some Jonas bro, but when some perpetually boned lad is doing it to dad and not just being passively submissive, we can at least watch-- right?

Maybe skaters and surfers, jocks and speedo-wearing pube flaunters all dream of getting fucked by businessmen and other older types, authority figures twice their age, but more likely adolescents, students, and similar have other ideas, and if they can't find a chick to take their inches and their loads, might imagine taking advantage of a gloryhole or other cumdump who happens to be male, but to watch standard vids, you'd think they all dream of bottoming-- and not for someone in the physical shape that they're in.

I mean, these are people who advertise on dating sites for "older" and then stress that they mean dudes under 35! Or, horrors, at least no more decrepit than some geezer of 45. Do you know how old Brad Pitt is? Paul Rudd? Mark Ruffalo? Jeff Bridges? Maybe not your cup of tea, and not even Joe Dallesandro looks like a walking, talking phallus anymore, but he can top me any time, even if he is so far over the hill that the average twink can't even see him with a telescope.

So anyway-- suggestions please.

So far a couple of people have approved young on old, but oddly (?) it is almost always the old on young that turns up in porn. Maybe young dudes want to get off with someone besides their classmates or others of same age, but maybe also they want to show off their ability to please an older man who might be more experienced. Maybe the lad can learn something, maybe the old man can really enjoy the vigor and stamina and enthusiasm of some raging young stud delivering hot, fresh loads.

Instead, almost all there is turns out to be older men dominating, taking their pleasure by topping those who may have less power and authority in the relationship or even in the larger world outside. I can see the appeal of older men watching some stand-in taking charge and penetrating, but some of us like the fantasy of being plowed by some young leading man who normally gets celeb pussy or who can have a considerable choice of equally young jocks, singers, actors, and models.

What would it be like to take the Lady Gaga role with Taylor Kinney for an all night romp? To be bred by Ryan Gosling, or some onscreen werewolf with abs of steel normally scene debauching entire towns of busty gals in heat?

Anyone who has old on young or fit on fat couplings from this site would be a public service (there was an L in that word!) by naming titles or otherwise helping spread the word. We may never experience hormone-addled over-inked kids like Bieb or some Jonas bro, but when some perpetually boned lad is doing it to dad and not just being passively submissive, we can at least watch– right?

So, any suggestions?

So here are a bunch of buff guys who are already fantastic to look at, and what they wear as a scant nod to convention takes them into another world of perfection and desire. Notice, too, that curling tendrils of man's thickest body fur– Nature's dental floss-- are entrancing and abundant in their various forms of public display.

Makes me think of an old jingle for a man's hair cream-- "They love to get their fingers in your hair."

In the future, it will be a law of physics that speedo-type waterwear cannot be made of black because that makes it more difficult for viewers to admire the appearance of boners and other displayable equipment. That said, Speedos or similarly brief coverups have great visual appeal when properly worn, and interesting effects on wearers.

Consider the lads in the attached images. Those modeling Andrew Christian are rather intentionally presenting a dedicated penis view, but all of these show plenty, whether well packed or not and are being worn by men willing to display their cocks almost as fashion accessories.

It turns out there is also some sort of a movement or fetish or trend for men to have some amount of pubes on display whether in something similar to Speedos or when simply shirtless but otherwise fully dressed. That's not a topic discussed nearly enough, I think. It isn't just freeballing kids who sag, well aware they're concealing little to nothing either, but perhaps an emerging norm. Is it just my imagination or are a couple of the bulges shown also equipped with a barely unconcealed line of hair? From acceptable hint to fully flourished bush, hirsute pride may be one response to ever-smaller and more revealing forms of cache-sexe.

The only "ist" in MY comment was "extremists," and when you consider lifelong racists like Jeff Sessions and the Biggest Loser threatening (promising?) a new nuclear arms race, that description seems inarguable. As for lo-info voters, when very substantial chunks of one party's supporters claim their candidate won by a majority of the popular vote, increased unemployment, had declining job numbers during the longest continuous period of job growth, and otherwise live in some fact-free alternate universe where Russian cyber intrusion is A. disputed and B. welcomed and defended, their mirror world seems indisputable too.

Obama was far from perfect, but accomplished more than his detractors give him credit for and, to the extent there is any history left for most of us, will be well regarded for running a productive, scandal-free administration that pulled the world economy back from a precipice despite unprecedented obstruction from before he was even sworn in.

Certainly what Obama has done to normalize gay rights, including open military service, marriage, spousal benefits, and gay families is impressive in its own right and should be more highly regarded on a site like this one without a lot of bogus both-siderism to muddy the waters.

Good question! It's maybe part of the larger issue of why in sex some people sometimes are more interested in their partner's orgasm than their own. In porn,
it's often a matter of getting someone warmed up so they are slick and hard and ready to fuck. Or so that they feel they are not being neglected and that their partner cares about them and thus can be trusted to do the fucking now that the bottom knows he is cared for.

Same like men eating a woman not just to get her lubed and relaxed but from the satisfaction he takes in providing climaxes due to his oral skills. I've often pondered why I personally like doing one thing or another that is not an obvious part of the pleasure of experiencing MY orgasm.

You might equally ask why some people consider anal sex the only "real" man-to-man sex act and others have a major thing about seeing, touching, smelling, and tasting dicks, swallowing the dick, using refined skills and experience to make it explode with what one rock band called Ten CCs and another identified as a "Lovin' Spoonful." Etc. (Randy young whippersnappers with their filthy minds and ever-loaded balls!) Don't we all like to think of ourselves as highly skilled lovers?

It's one thing when some stud pounds his pole in either hole with lust-driven power, and something else when exquisitely calculated actions memorably edge, and irresistibly milk out the fresh, hot juice. Which role is preferred, pitcher or catcher, and who performs most of the action are variants that are not much discussed in an old-fashioned "compare and contrast" essay sort of way.

I still find it even more baffling that some enthusiastic cocksuckers routinely spit out the man milk they've worked to hard to drain. I saw that in action well before the plague and any thought of STDs as a life/death issue. In contrast, there are men who are eager to slurp semen from used rubbers. There are worse things than a cum fetish and I can understand why women might not share it, but for gay men to object…. Baffling.

He also did more to eliminate nuclear threats than anyone, retiring dangerous stockpiles around the world. And more to address the dangers of climate change than any other president. He has preserved more land and sea area from exploitation and destruction than anyone. Saved the auto industry– which is to say, when US manufacturing was on the brink of destruction, he pulled it back. Saved the US economy at the same time after it was damn' near run over a cliff.

In fact, while the lo-info voters so beloved of Putin's presidential pick think otherwise, he not only was elected twice by majorities, but retrieved a collapsing economy from the abyss. The longest sustained period of job growth in US history. Great Wall Street profits. Great increase in incomes. And crime is dramatically down, down, down, just like inflation.

Also, though the usual suspects claim otherwise, more people have affordable health care than ever before in the U.S. While Obama was preceded by a man who started a completely unnecessary war and abandoned his own declared purpose of not letting Osama Bin Laden get away with his famous attack, a man who turned an economic surplus into a massive deficit that was nearly the end of the country itself, the economy was only one of his successful projects.

Naturally, the Kenyan Muslim usurper was blockaded from before he took the oath of office, so he might have done even better, but national survival was his first challenge. Despite the quislings now temporarily trumphant (sic), he did well enough the first time that he got another four years.

During that time, not so incidentally, he maintained peaceful relations with most of the world, including a number of countries where new turmoil is already being launched, and despite his failures, managed to have a singularly scandal-free administration. Unlike AWOL Bush, Obama has had none of his administration leaders in handcuffs or in court or in jail. No one has been accused of corruption or being on the take.

Oh, yeah, there are the Hillary hysterics, which won't pass any objective smell test, but that's it. The Clinton foundation never paid personal bills or bought bad portraits of the Clintons, and for all the fuss, not using the right e-mail address did not lead to anything approaching a crime. Compare, oh, Dick Cheney's secret oil parley at the start of the previous presidency. Or all those missing e-mails when they "fixed" the evidence for their destabilizing war.

And yet, those same lo-info votes who think unemployment is up and the economy is down also believe Hillary's e-mails are an issue because they conceal a pedophile sex ring she was operating out of a pizza parlor. And if yr not already part of the Useful Idiot Brigade, you may think I'm kidding but, in fact, the GOP Grab Our Pussy crowd really does believe Hillary is running a child sex operation, Obama hates America and wants to impose Sharia Law (another of his failures!) and, no, was NOT born in the USA.

To say Gitmo is still open or that cops still get away with murdering innocent black citizens doesn't prove Obama is a failure. Lots of stuff never got done while he was dealing with a party that thought nothing of shutting down the entire government or leaving national debts unpaid for partisan point making. All true. But that does not diminish his accomplishments, which will grow each year forever, to the extent there is anything like "forever" left once the warmongering, money grubbing planet plunderer is able to inflict his whites only fringe on the world.

Can't reason people out of stupidities that reason did not get them into. What you can do is realize the most blatantly conflicted pay-for-play grifter of all time is the one who calls her "Crooked Hillary." And he is the loser who pretends he won a majority of the popular vote. His followers even claim that he did just that. Pathetic, and, to quote Al Jolson in another context, "You ain't seen nothin' yet."

Just watch the emerging battles over gay rights and then compares what the incoming extremists will attempt in terms of undoing what the outgoing nobleman actually accomplished in that one area alone.

Speedos are so small they cover very, very little, so that whatever is packed inside almost has no opportunity to do anything except bulge out and stretch the fabric in a way that reveals enough detail that a close study not only how the dick and balls are arranged, which way the rod is pointed, and so on, but perhaps even whether the wearer is cut or uncut.

Also, too (as a particularly low-IQ US political figure says) in the event of an erection, the boner makes a truly spectacular display that is pretty much revealing no matter how small the limp dick is before it is aroused. Since it is mostly Young men who wear these tantalizing outfits, they are already awash in cock-boosting hormones and well aware of the package they are barely concealing, which perhaps already makes them more likely to go boing at inconvenient times than other studs the same age who appear in public more modestly covered.

With no place to hide the boner, the proud owner may still be considerably embarrassed by the situation, which is charming on its own, and the red face of a stud still in or near the first years in which he has sprouted the equipment needed for sexual activity– on such activity being conscious of how he (and it) look in a tight speedo.

Known in some parts as a "budgie smuggler," what that little bit of alleged concealment actually does, of course, is call attention to the highly interesting flesh area that is Not getting a tan.

Correct me if I am wrong, but is it a fairly recent development that shirtless men are more likely to wear any remaining body cover rather low on the hips in a way that exposes their pubic hair, either as a thin, dark line that hints there is more bush just barely out of sight, or even as flourishing curls proudly obscene in the sunlight? That fashion statement seems not to have caught on for indoor wear, but has to be a deliberate act of sexual flaunting whenever it is used to emphasize the associated male equipment.

There have always been men so fortunate as to have an abundance of pubes that stretch farther up the treasure trail than usual, and such thick and sprawling growth has always presented a problem for a man who just wants to be appropriately dressed in beachwear or a swimming outfit, and they know how to cover up this inconveniently hirsute attribute, but even trying to shave off all or part of what Allen Ginsberg called a "pubic beard" can leave them with the equivalent of a "five o'clock shadow."

So either they still have to cover those inches with a typically American garment that is long on concealment and short on athletic convenience, or they let the rough cut remain on view, perhaps pretending they have done what they could and have No Idea At All that what you Can see is anything but conventionally innocent and no more to be noticed or disapproved than if a woman's slip were showing.

Speedos, btw, may demonstrate as much as anything the "public Victorian" (old-fashioned, conventional moral uptite hypocrisy) attitudes that still rule the United States, where it is almost universally assumed that outside of competitive water sports, strait men do NOT wear anything close to a spray-on pretense of decency, but are either flaunting their eveil sexuality as if they were unashamed of having a dick and balls (some might call that advertising), or fully wrapped up where everything interesting is out of sight and thus, supposedly, out of mind.

Thank heavens the US is the free-est, most wonderfullest, most liberated and tolerant society on Earth, a shining city on a hill that everyone everywhere wants to emulate. Not sure what the recent popularity of swastikas means for the world's aspirations, but certainly open acknowledgement that men and women have bodies and those bodies have pleasurable uses not to be taught in health classes, not to be facilitated by medical professionals, and often to be discouraged by active law enforcement... well, we can't have that. Unlike all those degenerate Other countries, where pussy grabbing is frowned upon and rape is punished, we have Standards!
Because reasons! So there.

Or, less polemically, isn't it interesting that in the US speedos are NOT common swimwear? Nope, reserved for sports and fags, but not for "real" hetero men in mixed company. Very odd.

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So I was just reading a new post by Digby on her blog

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/12/a-guide-to-wrapping-your-mind-around.html

about a New Yorker piece on biases and such when this next topic line and paragraph stopped me short:

Dan Kahan’s “Cultural Cognition”

Over the last decade, Dan Kahan, a psychologist at Yale University, has been studying a phenomenon he calls “cultural cognition,” or how values shape perception of risk and policy beliefs. One of his insights is that people often engage in something called “identity-protective cognition.” They process information in a way that protects their idea of themselves. Incongruous information is discarded, and supporting information is eagerly retained. Our memory actually ends up skewed: we are better able to process and recall the facts that we are motivated to process and recall, while conveniently forgetting those that we would prefer weren’t true.

Maybe it's just me, but after I'd read that a couple of times because it was kinda disguised as a sleeping pill, I thought about the popular "God, Was I Drunk Last Night" hypothesis. It's such a classic response in fiction (and porn and serious dramas as well) that for all I know it actually happens in real life.

But without resorting to cliche, it's hard enough to deal with some experiences– good, bad, or confused-- even without traditional bad-faith denialism. I thought this guy might find the same dynamic working in cases of men in the process of "curious" about some things and what to do when they have been curious enough. So who are they now? And are you guys still friends or what?

Anyway, there is a discussion of "confirmation bias" and a number of other studies that apply in the realm of political issues and might have some implications for understanding what and how straight men explore their attraction for other men, which may be universal and real but not so readily acknowledged.
http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/the-psychological-research-that-helps-explain-the-election?

The New Yorker story is here: http://tinyurl.com/gm3445h

Unless it is a fetish object of some sort, the purpose of a condom is the prevention of disease… or pregnancy, which might not be your major worry.

If the feeling of a condom is unacceptable, then you either ARE at risk of infection or you need to be on Prep. Pulling out in time is even less reliable than "the rhythm method" of birth control, used by people called "parents." There is also something in the world known as pre-cum, and that or any other leakage for actual, final ejaculation can carry everything condoms are supposed to protect against.

Which means, in general, if yr gonna fuck bareback, go for it and don't pretend you have protections that you absolutely do not have. That said, committed partners, people who know their HIV status and sexual health and trust their partner etc. etc. are an exception. Maybe there are THE exception.

What gets me is all these bareback scenes in videos where the top pulls out and shoots anywhere but up his partner's ass. And then, preposterously enough, maybe pushes some of the semen back inside where it might make fine lube, but not in any video I've ever seen (pointers welcome).

The natural method of sex is to end the furious pounding with a furious release without slowing down or hesitating or breaking the driving, accelerating rhythm in order to satisfy the camera. I always think the poor studs who are young, muscular, handsome, hung, or whatever else, end up being cheated of the natural climax that results as pumping continues or the dick and its pusher freeze in an eternity of orgasmic explosions that occur without interruption.

THEN the top can pull out, show his seed leaking out of the loosened pucker and flowing down over the dude's balls or whatever, definitively producing evidence that the butt pirate has conquered again. I feel the same with hetero porn, where the boy works himself into a lather of breeding convulsions but pulls out to sluice down the girl's face or boobs or somewhere. Makes me sad that such thrilling sex as I, the consumer, have just been treated to, with state of the art camera work, perhaps, and sound, and two highly qualified performers who seem to know exactly what and how to connect for the greatest mutual satisfaction... and then opt for a display rather than actual fulfillment of the biologically-driven rutting.

Sometimes the man will pull out too late, embarrassed that he got carried away and lost control, filling the condom if there was one. Orgasms are a point where someone has lost all control, but in porn that is often the moment when frenzied schtupping is suddenly restrained unnaturally and damped down to less than it would otherwise be. For me, seeing the dude who has accidentally gone past point non plus is very exciting, esp. if they know enough to make sure we get to see the white quantity of breeding fluid that fills the rubber.

Then for someone sufficiently creative, that amount of fresh, hot manpower can be smeared thickly over parts of the body and used as a skin lotion or as fapping lube. It can also, of course, be ingested and savored, swapped via kissing, and otherwise given erotic new uses that might even inspire the creation of more of the same.

That makes the rubber into a sort of fetish object or at least manages to get more out of it than "mere" protection from disease or death, but that is not what you asked about.

I believe public masturbation is legal in Italy so long as there are no minors around. And nudity seems to be legal in San Francisco. Sex on the beach has been known to happen, but in Florida, a hetero couple was recently arrested and prosecuted for doing that. The US is still a very highly repressive society– "land of the free" my ass! -- and is about to become a genuine nightmare.

Bathrooms were often the only place a strait closeted man could find what he wanted, so to that extent, there are other options in the privacy of one's own computer world. But anywhere you can see men wag their willies is likely to be a place where there will be spectators and more.

For one tiny example of how things stand nationally, however, note that the person about to be in charge of public education wants to END it completely and, in any case, put a lot more Bible and Christianity in the curriculum where, I suppose, Satanic stuff like astronomy and geology and biology used to be.

In the news this week was one local school district banning a couple of books, the usual suspects, and some agent for the one true god explaining that men and women of 18 (the US age of consent) should NOT be reading about ick sex. And no, they did not mean kids should stop wasting time and just get on with it....

Tea rooms, cottaging, whatever it is called is, like sex in your own bedroom in Texas, likely to get you arrested and even a comparatively enlightened city like Los Angeles had cops going out to entrap otherwise innocent men by waving their dicks and coming onto them in public bathrooms. That was in THIS century.

And incoming US vice president Pence has, while a US Senator, tried to get Aids funding diverted to bogus re-orientation classes. Such is the level of endarkenment that we are on the verge of.

Be very wary.

Some are old and some are young, some are small and some are hung. In spite of what you may have heard, not everyone wants a gym bunny. A rugged logger with a beard making it with a hairy stud trucker is some people's idea of incendiary. Others prefer to fuck with a shaved homunculus or a twink with just enough hair so you can tell they've hit puberty. That's just the way life is.

Sometimes opposites attract and sometimes they repel. I know a fat old man who was seduced by a handsome young fireman less than half his age who thought the geezer was unbelievably hot and could not imagine how anyone could pass him up. And the hero by trade could have been in a nude calendar, so some people like chubs and sometimes chubs like chubs, but if you check out the pick-up adverts for twinks looking for "older" they might be setting the upper limit at 30. In time, you may learn the hard way how ridiculous that is.

You are who you are and might as well get used to it. Clark Gable had big ears and so does Russell Tovey. That doesn't mean they didn't get all the action they wanted. You may think those stretch marks are an abomination, but if that is your only problem you are in fine shape.

Get yrself clean and presentable (no smell-good!) as if going on a date, then hit the bars. Pretend yr teetotal and the beer is only a prop; you want to be relaxed, but not so relaxed you wake up under a table somewhere. Your purpose in going to the bar is to hang out. To get familiar with it. What is the crowd like at Happy Hour and who's there later? Who's there at Last Call?

Different bars have different crowds. Maybe the guests at one leather bar are interchangeable with those at another, but maybe not. Tell yourself you are NOT there to pick up someone or to get picked up, but to become familiar with the scene, to meet people, have conversations, have a good time. With no pressure for any sexual result, you might get a hookup, but if not, you still might have a good time and find people who enjoy being around you (and you around them) without knowing you have a small dick or a fear you are too fat/thin/whatever.

One attractive and popular man I know used to go to bars for conversation and dancing and fun. After having spent some time with a stranger he said he was going to mingle and the other dude was surprised. You mean you're just here to talk? That's right, and my friend moved on, spreading the pleasure of his company, so to speak.

Psychiatrist Albert Ellis was legendary for his overt advocacy of sex of all kinds (voluntary participation only, of course) and in all circumstances, from swinging to cheating to seducing virgins, for which he makes a good case. His discourses on why masturbation is a Great thing that is fun, good for you, and makes the world a better place fits right in with his notion that marriage should not be a limitation on "putting it about." Yes, he thought homos were awful– because they restrict themselves too much in choice of partners-- but eventually got over that so he gets a pass from me. That's in case something is holding you back from giving yourself permission to shoot great gouts of sperm with a partner or three.

Beyond inhibitions, there is self-esteem and being yourself. Quentin Crisp is the master there, and hilarious to boot. He advocates being as intensely yourself as possible. If you are boring, he says, make yourself a shining beacon and the most famously boring person in the country. Go with your strengths. Or, as someone else has said, let your vices support you.

Virgins on dating sites are v popular. Lots of people are quite genuinely willing to do their best to bring out such a person, carefully attend to their wants and needs and show them the ropes, tell them the terminology, give them the, uh, lay of the land. It is entirely appropriate in such a case as a gay-curious virgin to spend lots of time in correspondence asking questions and being encouraged, even after announcing that he is only exploring and not looking for a quick hookup.

You can meet a lot of friendly people that way who are quite nice and helpful and not because they want to be the first one to suck your cock, though that is pretty thrilling, at least for some people. Others, of course, are not interested in "children" who are still in school, but only in what the sitcom theme song calls "men, men, men, men, manly men."

You may think heavily inked street people are outrageous sex machines awash in a world of carnal knowledge and activity. You may equally think those who are clean cut like some All-American prom king / football hero / toothpaste model is exactly perfect. Whatever you want, someone exactly like that wants You and just needs the opportunity to say so.

Going to bars or gyms (esp. those who attract gay men), joining a gay club for sports or any other interest you share gets you out there where you can be invited to brunch after a long, exciting night of working up an appetite. If you don't have a dating ap or go where gays are likely to be found, if you don't join a dating site and instead sit around counting yr flaws instead of relabeling each one a "feature," likely you won't get yr ashes hauled any time soon.

Without going into any details, I can tell you honestly that if I could have sex with women and men when I was still young, pig-ignorant, and terrified that anyone might suspect I ever had any kind of sexual thought at all, then you with all your pent-up horniness, yr growing awareness and acceptance of having untapped lust to spare can definitely manage it, and probably about as soon as you decide to stop resisting being the sex machine you are inside all those doubts.

Also, since I date back before there was gay porn (see other threads about the days before VHS when even physique magazines with hunks in posing straps could get you busted by the US Post Office), I can tell you that now that it is easy to see naked men with naked dicks rock hard and firing off with the manpower of Roman candles and holiday fireworks, you already know more about sucking and fucking and what goes where than most of my generation did at that age, when there were no such images available to the average hormone-addled adolescent wanking over mental images of classmates.

You can get dildos by mail to practice with, if that's yr interest. You can get fuckable sleeves almost as good as the real thing, for further practice. I found it helpful when I wanted to overcome my terrors and inhibition, to say out loud and then write down exactly what I wanted to do. Then I might burn the paper, or these days just delete the pixels, but it was liberating for me to DARE to say aloud, to write down something as simple as "I want to suck a cock and swallow a load." It felt as if the sky would fall for such obscenity and audacity.

Sometimes when first going out, I would write down a message in case I should not make it back. "I'm going out to a gay bar in order to find a man to suck me off." Lots of fear and trembling behind allowing myself to admit what I really wanted, but until I could tell myself that, there was no way it was gonna happen.

However, I'm here to tell you that it sure did, and once again, if someone as backwards and clueless as I was can have sex -- and sometimes with the visual equivalent of centerfolds -- so can you. Speaking up here in this forum is definitely a sign that you are beginning to find yourself ready.

In reply #6, youngavenger says, "The porn store near my house has rooms, with glory holes."

Where is that? Pls reveal at least the town. Are these rooms different from a video booth where you have to keep feeding quarters or tokens into the slot to keep monitors away? Too many places have had those convenient facilities eliminated,
and it is not so easy to find one as it used to be when every porn shop had such basics. For example:

In reply #14, Iowaboy, another lurker, says, "I spent 20 years in the Navy and every base I visited all over the world I found a gloryhole where I could suck some hot Navy or Marine cock.  I miss those "good old days" !!!!!!"

If those access points are not still available, lots of recruits are suffereing needlessly, but how can an interested visitor locate these pleasure centers for the relief of enlisted men? Systematically checking every head that can be found is not
likely to be efficient and might draw unwanted attention. Whether on base, at a truck stop, college campus, or Adult Book Store (ABS), there may well be police or other monitors, sometimes even including the owners of an overtly gay book/video shop, getting in the way or causing trouble for dudes just minding their own business– and that of anyone else interested.

What once was common has now largely disappeared, like bars with dark back rooms for equally quick encounters. Military horndogs are always at a premium but not necessarily easy to entertain. While some might feel that as Alpha manly men and trained killing machines at their physical peak -- and conveniently enough for their gay admirers, close to

their peak levels of performance and lust as well -- some would take offense and instead of saying "A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do," or rely on the popular "any port in a storm" principle, would cause trouble, esp. if they have their own
insecurities and unsettled Issues being constantly stimulated in the barracks, showers, and so on.

No one wants to get busted by military authorities OR police, of course, but if there are known locations and opportunities that are permitted, ignored, or under the radar for regulators, it would be a shame to let all those hard inches and gallons of goo simply go to waste when levels of frustration and desire can be slaked in a way satisfying to all parties.

Since there is an international audience here, could some people outside the US comment on whether gloryholes are something they are familiar with, or does such casual/anonymous sex only go so far as saunas and cottaging? And how strictly are those venues suppressed by The Powers That Be? Inside the US, youngavenger says his local porn shop has gloryholes. Iowaboy reports they were familar conveniences for him as a Navy sailor for two decades. (BTW, is it a coincidence that a once-popular -- still popular? -- slang term for a sailor is "gob," as in the old book titled "Sailors are Gobs of Fun"?) But how long ago were the cited gloryholes active? Would be interesting and useful to know the changes that have occurred, what still works and what has replaced any outdated institutions of that type.

There is an old joke about a young seaman on his first voyage being shown the barrel with its gloryhole for sexual relief, only to discover some while later that use was not without its conditions, when he was informed, "It's your turn in the barrel." Have heard that expression in other contexts, where it stands for your time to do some kind of hard or unattractive work, but people who say such a thing may not be aware of its origin any more than they know the story behind "drop the other shoe" or many other common expressions.

But I'm digressing again. The implication of the joke and by the existence of on-base areas for sexual activity is that the suckers and suckees are all men, and that those getting their rocks off have no objection to the arrangement as long as they get the finish they're after.

Anyway, apart from their practical use and their role in men's sexuality over the years, natural gloryholes that used to be found in the wild are now often replaced by private facilities advertised online and available only by invitation or appointment. Personally, I think these are wonderfully exciting when they turn up in porn, like these episodes under the name "salukino gloryhole" that are posted as a torrent on this very site:

https://www.gay-torrents.net/torrentdetails.php?torrentid=685d113dc0c0edbc2a8a77e130a1e497fc7147222899123f

While we sometimes see the visitor's cock, more often there is no glimpse below the waist whether he is clothed or unclothed for service, but a virtual symphony of ragged breathing accompanies what we see, as well as instructions and remarks, the thumping and pumping of a whole body responding to the unseen action, twitching perhaps, or paralyzed at the point of ejaculation. Frenzied lip-smacking slurps, enthusiastic sucking, and even occasional gagging by the pleasure-giver further tell the story and sometimes end with multiple gulps as he swallows repeated explosions of fresh, hot cream. Then, like a chocolate on the turned down hotel bed, he sometimes leaves a loving kiss behind as the softening weapon is withdrawn for a quick repack as the gratified stud returns to the humdrum activities of an unsuspecting world.

A sort of artistic predecessor of this erotic tease is Andy Warhol's legendary "Blow Job" short, in which a young hung writhes with delicious agony while apparently being sucked just below the camera's fixed gaze, then unceremoniously departs without apparently the finish we've been waiting for. Not so these ordinary working class str8s, who unmistakeably get what they came for and deliver what the skilled cocksucker wants. Some are regulars; some are skittish and new to such an activity, unsure what is expected. At least one has never cum from oral sex before. All are unmistakeably real men who have come by to flip it out, stick it through the hole, and have their manly needs met efficiently. Sometimes they even reach a point of transcendental ecstasy, bursting into a trance that leaves them temporarily unable to stand or walk. At the least these men's faces are transfigured by bliss, every drop and every tension drained leaving them in a dreamlike state from which they drift back to reality.

I find these real men bringing along their experienced cocks and real-world needs to be intensely erotic. It's exciting the way they address the hole with no nonsense, secure in their ability to cum and in their right to be serviced. What they say, if they talk at all, and their deep groans of satisfaction are the real thing, not exaggerated for a commercial production, and when they say "Harder… Oooh, yes. Just like that. Don't stop. Don't stop...." they are not mouthing cliched industry dialogue but desperately committed to the truth of the climax both men are building together.

I'd like to have seen more of these dicks, but like the photograph of Babe Ruth at home plate, pointing his bat, the view provided, though not frontal, is quite sufficient to convey the urgency of the process and the power of its conclusion.

In contrast, many alleged GH videos are fake. Unglory Hole offers Colby Jansen as a supposed innocent unaware he is being sucked by a man rather than a woman? (Jansen shows up on BaitBus, too, in case you thought those hot scenes were anything other than fiction.) Other GH porn is often equally contrived and not at all just the casual cum-and-go of horny men happy to have a chance to get off without fuss or bother. Some suspect or secretly know that's not a woman taking every inch of their dicks, but they all get off anyway, and likely the watcher perving on this unfiltered sex is doing the same.

As far as setting up your own GH, you don't have to claim it is a woman applying her skills. It can be left open or simply listed somewhere online in a m4m category, perhaps as a way for str8s to answer the question "Can a Man Suck Cock better than your Girlfriend?" This guy, in the named video, seems to have tracked many of his clients and worked over time and in person to entice them to try his services. Would be interesting to know exactly how he gets his visitors. Some of them put on headphones, perhaps for a hetero video we do not see. Some other sites provide a porn video directly in front of the man getting blown....

I always liked looking at dicks and balls and hairy crotches. I liked the size and shape of dicks and how they move and how they look getting hard, being hard, coming down from being hard. How they feel and how they taste and what it is like sucking them and feeling them go as deep as possible.

In short, it was always about the look of dicks and the sperm they release. All very oral for me. Many years later, I realized that some guys wanted to fuck an ass just as naturally as I wanted to suck cock. I knew that there were lots of fucking porn vids but never quite got the idea that cocksucking was often, maybe even usually, just a warm up for "the real thing." That not fucking or getting fucked was often not even considered "real sex." As in– I jacked him off and sucked him off but we haven't had sex yet.

This or similar topics has come up before, and yes, lots of people are only into oral. There are even people who are only into anal and like many women, don't want that yucky man cream slime anywhere near their face or tongue, so may go so far as to suck only with a condom on the dick or only if able to spit out the nasty evidence of ecstasy achieved.

Having finally figured out that for many people, across the entire range of sexual orientations, "gay" means "butt pirate," "fudge packer," or otherwise someone who dicks assholes as their preferred means of shooting a load, it finally dawned on me what many people I know were talking about or taking for granted. I was always so totally absorbed in wanting to look, touch, suck, taste, and swallow that I had always pretty much ignored or overlooked all evidence that there might be much greater intimacy involved and possibly greater and more powerful orgasms.

It naturally follows that the idea of cumming, hands-free or otherwise, from being deep dicked was something that no one had actually ever told me was possible and which I had never seen or heard of until, after I grew up and grew old, there was amateur and professional porn documentation that getting yr prostate poked and prodded could be like jacking off but from inside. Wow. Revelation.

So I missed out on a lot of stuff, including experiencing my favorite studs doing what, at least in some cases, is what they mostly preferred but rarely requested or demanded, and when they did manage to slip it through my tightly clutching sphincter, were only busy pleasuring themselves without necessarily giving me any hint that I could be enjoying physical sensations as a bottom to match their growing stimulation from topping.

And of course if I had known more about men fucking assholes, male or female, and fucking pussy, I'd have been better prepared for seduction of straight friends and intermittent horny hunks. And I'd have been better at sucking by really getting into the intimate details of how a cock getting sucked is like a cock that's fucking and breeding while fucking pussy or going through the closest equivalent via the same motions up an ass.

Ignorance can be astonishingly slow to vanish and even what subsequently is revealed as blazingly obvious can be mysteriously unknown in spite of a literal world of evidence. No one who climbed aboard ever said they wanted me to have fun, too. That was always in my head, the thrill of being pounded by a manly man in heat and doing what he does best to spew his seed triumphantly and way more intimately than pumping it down my throat or filling my mouth with hot, fresh cream for me to savor.

How stupid is that, huh? To have the "close yr eyes and think of England" approach to getting fucked and just waiting out the process rather than feeling an equal part of it. And that was going on all around me all those years. Which brings me to a great personal revelation:

It is entirely possible that whenever anyone learned or decided that I was gay, what they were thinking was something about me taking it up the ass or plowing some hairy shithole. Me, I always just thought of sucking and getting sucked, but since it finally clicked that buggery was the name of the game, whenever I came out or hit on someone, they were thinking I wanted some cock-ass connection when really all I wanted was a hot load or three, yum yum.

Interesting for me to find out that gay does not necessarily equal an ass frolic of any sort, not fingers, not dildoes, not rimming or more because some people do not recognize the anal sphincter as a gateway to Heaven that they are interested in, may not even realize it is a sex organ at all. So what "everyone else" has known all along has turned my world upside down or inside out or something now that my attention has been called to traveling the dirt track, which surely is one source of anti-gay prejudice: that strait dudes are afraid of being penetrated and associate the act with elimination processes, in contrast to "it's just a blowjob" and thus... hmm, not sex at all.

As in, "I did not have sex with that woman." Maybe heterosex does not include bj's as anything but warmup or quickie alternative to the real thing. Confusion reigns. What do "kidz today" think-- is oral sex "real" sex? So if a man only sucks cock does that mean he has not had "real" sex any more than that US president thought about his own extra-marital sperming?

Whatever the answers to any of the above, seems like getting or giving ONLY bjs does not determine whether a man is strait or gay, because the category you associate with (as defined by you, for better or worse) had nothing to do with whether or not there has yet been any follow-through. Similarly, a man who fucks a woman is not automatically Not gay any more than a sailor getting sucked off by some conveniently compliant dude is therefore irrevocably and forevermore gay.

Maybe a teen boy spends his time and attention and dating and wanking focused on getting his dick up inside a woman between her legs, but likes the idea of getting sucked off by a chick until he can get that far and do more than finger fuck her or get a handjob, but his Goal is pussy. That could be a considerable contrast to dudes who only want to suck or get sucked by another man and are focused only on that goal, not on buggery.

That is, while lots of gays center their interest on oral sex rather than anal, is there a hetero equivalent of dudes who are not generally intent on vaginal intercourse if time and circumstance can be arranged, so that anything oral is insignificant in comparison, closer to a handjob than loading up a pussy?

Nice to have a little reassurance that these questions afflict lots of people and that we all may have more in common than we suspect.

W&G is a show Obama cites as a major force in changing opinions about gay rights for him and others. Now they have come up with a new scene, nearly ten minutes long, in which election issues are discussed by characters arguing over which candidate to vote for. I thought it was pretty funny, but don't know how much of it will be understood by spectators, however horrified they may be, from outside the US. Surprisingly neutral, I thought, but maybe I just don't give it enough credit for taking a stand that is more clear to others.

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Late night TV hosts, The Daily Show, and Samantha Bee's piercing Full Frontal comedy genius also tackle the election, the white supremacist compulsive liar and irrepressibly thin-skinned grifter with hilarious and powerful insight that goes well beyond the vulgarian's notoriously short fingers, but so long as you are already on YouTube, you can probably find a lot of Good Stuff there if you to a quick search.