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Went to Profile. Did not see any place with Time setting.

It took 20 years for the feds to attack this site, and somehow it was Immigration, Customs, and Homeland Security were involved, not just the New York Police Department. Are any of those arrested undocumented aliens? Doubtful. Terrorists? Lol. Were they smuggling wild oats inside the usual biological equipment? Hardy har har.

Not sure the definition of "pimp" but if that means a newspaper, magazine, or web page carrying paid adverts, most all media have some 'splaining to do to the self-righteous authorities. If "pimp" as a legal matter means managing prostitutes for pay, that ain't happening here. In fact, freelance escorts providing their own contact information without reference in any way to the site owners/operators would seem to make this a buyer-seller free market without intermediaries and without coercion.

No membership was required to read or respond to the adverts. My guess, completely uninformed, is that adverts were paid for by credit card, thus ensuring advertisers were of legal age.

Yes, politicians may have used these services. Some elected US officials have been in the news for having hired male companions. Generally, Democrats don't care about private consensual sexual activities. The hypocrites who make the biggest fuss are, typically, the Republic*nts, and few of them are held accountable because their god forgives them. Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee is loudly on record for having forgiven tv reality star and christianist cult member Josh Duggar for molesting his sisters and other children, for hiring a female prostitute (who says he is unstable) and cheating on his wife with the female porn performer.

The conspicuously religiously prating Huck has no trouble forgiving the prominent exemplar of the Quiverful movement, but does not extend the same compassion to Democrats for some reason. Go figure. Duggar, currently missing from a rehab community run by a man known to have shielded another pedophile, is a "good Christian" so move along, nothing to see here.

Same like the congressman who was foottapping under a stall divider in an airport men's room. And David Vitter in Louisiana, who hired a female for sex and is still in office.

The famous remark is that you cannot be caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl, but apparently that rule is no longer valid…..

In any case, since no membership is required, government lackeys or officials are automatically off the hook for doing anything more than, at most, perving on visuals-- a practice more widely practiced in the most loudly and conspicuously "religious" parts of the US, in the same way that countries with competent medically based sex education find young people delaying first sex for longer and fewer of them becoming inadvertently pregnant.

The problem is not that dicks get hard or women wet, but that repression and shame and hypocrisy wreck lives. Saying that prostitution is illegal in the US, and specifically in NYC where the arrests took place, does not make this preposterous waste of time and money any more legitimate. It's not as if Rep. Wilbur Mills was caught with Argentine stripper Fanne Foxe splashing in the D.C. tidal basin to escape a traffic accident. Or some Brit frolicking with Christine Keeler.

If enforcing Stone Age sexual judgementalism takes precedence over dealing with nuclear war, poverty, and the wretched of the Earth right here in the land of racism and sexism, then we are doomed. Acknowledging laws against sex work does not make this farrago any more legitimate or any less offensive.

It's time for everyone to grow up and mind their own business.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/protesters-condemn-u-s-case-over-rentboy-com-male-escort-website/

Gay and civil rights activists gathered in downtown Brooklyn on Thursday to condemn the prosecution of the chief executive officer and six employees of male escort website Rentboy.com for promoting prostitution.

About 50 protesters gathered outside the federal court where charges are pending against Rentboy.com CEO Jeffrey Hurant and the employees, who were arrested last week as authorities seized the website, which marketed to gay men.

The case has prompted outrage among some gay rights activists, who questioned why prosecutors are only now targeting the service after it had operated transparently for nearly two decades.

“This was an updated, digitalized raid, just like Stonewall,” said protester and gay rights activist Allen Roskoff, referring to a Greenwich Village bar popular among gay customers that was raided in 1969.

Protesters held signs saying “Eyes off our private lives” and chanted “Stop the persecution, stop the prosecution” as they demanded charges be dropped and sex work be decriminalized.

A spokeswoman for Brooklyn Acting U.S. Attorney Kelly Currie declined to comment.

Established in 1996, Rentboy.com became what authorities say was the largest online male escort website, and even hosted an annual escorts awards show called the Hookies.

The website carried disclaimers saying its advertisements for escorts were for companionship and not sexual services. But authorities now say Rentboy.com was intended primarily to promote prostitution.

Critics of the arrests include The New York Times, which in an editorial last Friday said prosecutors had not justified shutting down “a company that provided sex workers with a safer alternative to street walking or relying on pimps.”

Other defendants include Shane Lukas, Rentboy.com’s chief operating officer, Michael Belman, its marketing director; sales agents Clint Calero and Diana Mattos; Edward Estanol, a former social media coordinator; and Marco Decker, an accountant.

The case was announced a week after Lambda Legal and four other gay and transgender rights groups joined a call by Amnesty International to decriminalize sex work, which they said would help protect participants from harm or exploitation.

Khaalid Walls, a spokesman for the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which was involved in the probe, said “any insinuation that a specific population was targeted is categorically false.”

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Question: Bad enough that Homeland Security seems to think there is some kind of terrorist threat hear from cocksucking, but wtf does Immigration or Customs have to do with anything?

Also, too, is there any possible reading of that final claim about targeting that is not, on its face, utterly preposterous?

Breaking News as of 3 Sept 2015

Annoying automatic nudge. Is there a way I can stop this by registering somewhere, somehow, as being located in Greenwich -6?

Sorry to say, for purposes of this story anyway, but gorillas are NOT well endowed. In terms of size and build and whatnot, it is the human male animal whose sausage is most generous.

Several times, years ago, I tried to read Bleak House, possibly the greatest novel by Charles Dickens (there are certainly other titles to challenge that claim). Finally I skipped ahead a few chapters and picked up from there, had a wonderful time, then circled around to the beginning again.

It used to be that watching a movie in a theater was like that. You could show up at any time, begin wherever the movie happened to be at that moment, and sit on through till you had seen it all. Usually, it was that long ago, there was also a second feature and a short subject and/or newsreel and/or cartoon. Today, I read that some US citizen in the greatest and most freest country ever ever ever was arrested for sitting in a movie theater through the long, long break between single title showings and tried to see it a second time. The horror! Sic transit, etc.

Perhaps skipping the first episode or two of Sense8 will provide enough of a running start, just as if you entered a television show in mid season and had to catch up on the characters and unfolding story lines. There are worse fates.

On related topics: Turns out the reichwinge attempt to take over science fiction fandom's venerable and respected Hugo awards was a failure at this year's World Fantasy Convention. Yay.

Also, thanks for the nice photos of some of the Sense8 characters. Perhaps someone will post some of the full-frontal nudes as well, though perhaps it is better to save those visions for those who care about the story and have invested enough time to enjoy seeing major characters (rather than walk-ons or supporting players) show their stuff.

Not that handsome, talented Tom Riley takes it all off in The Da Vinci Code, dammit, though there is other skin on view, but the third and final season of that historical fantasy involving real history and much preposterous mumbo jumbo, will be back 24 October. Not as naked in general as Spartacus was, but once again there is little or no discrimination in terms of the full range of enjoyments on the Kinsey scale. Totally apart from the titillation factor, the socio-political implications are certainly worth supporting and encouraging.

My own belief is that "real men" have sex with anyone who agrees, male or female, and at least with all the women actors and singers coming out as being at least bi or heteroflexible, that trend may be continuing in life as well as in art.

But then, I'm old fashioned enough to notice every time a man on a telly advert has scruff, mustache, or beard, which was not always the norm in the US. And also, I am still struck by noticing in adverts and elsewhere, the number of non-white friends and neighbors hanging out in suburbia just as if society were actually integrated. Mutatis mutandis.

Recently in the news for revealing he has advanced cancer, the conspicuously religious former Democratic president says there is nothing in his Bible to prevent civil marriage ceremonies. That's "marriage," not "civil unions," as a registered status for purposes of relationship, legal status, and taxes. Whether a church chooses to perform a same-sex marriage is, of course, a matter for individual church doctrine, but as a matter of LAW, equal rights and equal treatment are (or ought to be) unaffected by your understanding of and relationship to your chosen divine afflatus.
The story quoted below does not mention that his sister was a famous evangelical pastor as well.

http://ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/jimmy-carter-sets-record-straight-on-the-bible-and-homosexuality/
Few people can compete with Jimmy Carter’s knowledge of the bible. As noted in his WikiPedia site:

From a young age, Carter showed a deep commitment to Christianity. He teaches Sunday school and is a deacon at the
    Maranatha Baptist Church in his hometown of Plains. As president, Carter prayed several times a day, and professed that
    Jesus Christ was the driving force in his life. Carter had been greatly influenced by a sermon he had heard as a young man.
    It asked, “If you were arrested for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?” The New York Times
    noted that Carter had been instrumental in moving evangelical Christianity closer to the American mainstream during and
    after his presidency. . . . In April 2006, Carter, former President Bill Clinton, and Mercer University President Bill Underwood
    initiated the New Baptist Covenant. The broadly inclusive movement seeks to unite Baptists of all races, cultures and
    convention affiliations. Eighteen Baptist leaders representing more than 20 million Baptists across North America backed
    the group as an alternative to the Southern Baptist Convention.

When the Huffington Post asked Former President Carter about his views on homosexuality, this is how he responded:

Homosexuality was well known in the ancient world, well before Christ was born and Jesus never said a word about
    homosexuality. In all of his teachings about multiple things -– he never said that gay people should be condemned.
    I personally think it is very fine for gay people to be married in civil ceremonies.

Thank you, President Carter, for setting the record straight.

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End of quoted story

Just found this old news, and glad to hear it. Not to promote violence, but words can be as violent as fists.

Anyway, wanted to respond to the term "mollywhopped," which is new to me. Not sure of any reference to women in that term, other than the usual implication that a gay man is feminine, or as a certain movie star calls us, "girly men." But "molly" is a term for a gay man that goes back at least three centuries in England, where cross-dressing men and others would meet at a "molly house" for socializing, often assuming drag names. "Good Golly, Miss Molly," one of the first rock 'n' roll songs, written and performed by the man who named the musical genre, Little Richard, who started out performing in similar clubs in New Orleans.

BTW, it turns out that "mollywhopped" does not just mean, generally speaking, getting beaten– which it does-- but often specifically means being someone (usually a woman) being struck across the face by an angry penis. In that case, there is a further macho implication that the dick is a big one, suitable for use as a weapon for such a purpose.

The things one learns!

The link revealed several names of performers available on rentboy.com for escort services. Another article on the same site indicated that the disturbed man who gunned down two TV news people on live television had also been for hire at one time– but from a more mundane site than the famous one the US Feds just shut down. "To live outside the law you must be honest." --Bob Dylan

Rentboy.com Offices in NY Raided by Feds, CEO Arrested For Prostitution: VIDEO
http://www.towleroad.com/2015/08/rentboy-com-offices-in-ny-raided-by-feds-ceo-arrested-for-prostitution-and-money-laundering-video/

The offices on 14th Street at Fifth Avenue in Manhattan were raided. There were arrests. Files were seized.

CEO Jeffrey Hurrant told reporters,
“Twenty years we’ve been doing it [running Rentboy.com]. And I don’t think we do anything to promote prostitution. I think we do good things for good people and we bring good people together. And I hope that justice will be done in the end.”
    Meanwhile, acting U.S. Attorney Kelly T. Currie has said of the charges, “As alleged, Rentboy.com attempted to present a veneer of legality, when in fact this Internet brothel made millions of dollars from the promotion of illegal prostitution.”

While the usual 'phobes are happy, a surprising number of others seem to think sex for sale by uncoerced adults to uncoerced adults is some kind of a crime with some kind of victim and is a comparable threat to "national security" as anti-government bombings. Nationally known gay advice columnist and pundit Dan Savage also reports on the raid and arrests:

Department of Homeland Security Helps NYP Raid and Shut Down Rentboy.com
    by Dan Savage • Aug 25, 2015 at 10:48 am
    http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/08/25/22755290/department-of-homeland-security-helps-nyp-raid-and-shut-down-rentboycom

"And since when," he asks, "did it become the Department of Homeland Security's job to protect gay and bi men from buying and selling blowjobs?"

One of his readers provided some additional information:

"Unlike other sites, clients don't have to register to use the site. You just browse ads and then call or text the advertisers. (Some other sites will only allow you to see contact info if you've registered — RB was not like that.)"

Also, says the anon reader:

"The site does not handle payments between clients and escorts."

Supposedly, prostitution, which is illegal in the state of New York, is eveil because people are forced into doing things they do not want to do and are under the control of, no pun intended, Fagins out of Dickens, pimps being abusive and taking most of the money from their helpless slaves. In fact, escorts on Rentboy.Com are free agents who pay their own monthly fee to advertise on the site, cutting out the middleman, and reaching any agreement directly with clients who reach out to them by telephone or e-mail in order to make arrangements. There is no profiteering pimp.

While some of the adverts are quite specific about the escort's interests and specialties, many also include some boilerplate language (roughly akin to software EULAs that "everyone" clicks through without reading, saying that any exchange of money is for time only, not for sexual activities. It is unlikely that anyone is much fooled by that disclaimer, which might be as meaningless as those silly "notice" things in online male dating/hookup sites about invasion of privacy if anyone uses a listing for some kind of "research."

In any event, what is involved is private agreements among consenting adults, and the US is supposedly utterly and even terminally devoted to free enterprise, to the point where some political candidates for president proclaim bigotry, racial and sexual discrimination, are literally Divinely authorized rights and in the great granfalloon of liberty and freedom, everyone should be free to gun down anyone else at any time because reasons. (Granfalloon is a Kurt Vonnegut word, by the way. Wikipedia will explain it to you.)

Oh, that did not come out right.  What I mean is that the same god that inspired the sacred US Constitution and authorized slavery also intended men and women who are True Believers to inflict their idea of their god's self-righteous wrath on everyone they believe that old troll created by accident. Or something. Like marriage being only sanctified if between one adult man and one adult woman, that is just another myth of course. Count all the multiple wives and concubines of patriarchs in the Buy Bull….

Anyway, freedom for me, not for thee, that's the ticket. Wasn't it George Orwell who said that some are created more equal than others? And if you believe in the One True God of Israel, whether or not that figure had a corporeal son who ate and pooped and had hormones like the rest of us, or even if you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster instead, you are exempt from obeying the law or, if you are public official paid with taxpayer revenue, free to ignore any human law you believe, at your sole discretion, to conflict with your mythological imperatives.

And yet.... here is capitalism and private enterprise conflicting with massively expensive and inappropriate government interference in private affairs, but....

Some more facts before I rant again. You can read the horrifying complaint for yourself:

http://www.towleroad.com/2015/08/read-the-criminal-complaint-against-rentboy-com/

Or check out another report of the actual raid and arrests at Towelroad, a site for gay news and topics:

http://www.towleroad.com/2015/08/rentboy-com-offices-in-ny-raided-by-feds-ceo-arrested-for-prostitution-and-money-laundering-video/

NBC4NY reported:
    Department of Homeland Security agents and members of the NYPD, which assisted in the raid, were seen removing boxes from the offices Tuesday.
    Millions of dollars in numerous bank accounts have been seized in connection with the probe. […]
    The Department of Homeland Security was involved in the raid in part because the investigation involves transferring money across state lines.

ABC7 explained:
    Men would pay a fee and post their information on site, and those interested would go directly to the site and contact the poster. The site charges subscribers a minimum monthly fee of $59.95 and up to several hundred dollars to advertise. The complaint said that between 2010 and 2015, Rentboy.com grossed more than $10 million.

That income would have been partly, perhaps even primarily, from a related site offering porn for pay and involving credit cards. Anyone who hired an escort, for whatever purpose, would not have paid the site owner-operators a cent to read or respond to an advert. The site was searchable by location and other criteria, and included escorts operating around the world. None of which sounds like "money laundering" to me, but what do I know?

While there are competitor sites, and male dating/hookup sites that include escorts as well as seekers of "sugar daddies," there has not yet been any announcement of a raid on more costly escort sites or such general-purpose contact sites as Craigslist, which is a nationwide service of "small ads" (classified adverts) for the exchange of goods and services from used cars and furniture to mundane employment (handyman, plumber….) and, yes, "dating."

Interesting that Ashley Madison, devoted to the promotion of extra-marital affairs, only got into trouble when hackers released a ton of details helpful in identity theft, a site with, as it turns out, very few actual female women among those supposedly available there. But it takes the government, in the name of national security, to crack down on male sex for hire.

Not everyone thinks that sex workers are to be shunned.

LGBT Rights Organizations Join Amnesty International in Call to Decriminalize Sex Work
    http://www.lambdalegal.org/blog/20150820_decriminalize-sex-work

Maybe time to join or renew your membership?

What happens now is anyone's guess, but a lot of people are going to have trouble paying their rent this month as a result of the raid and arrests and headline hysteria. Personally, I think that men who have sex for a living are likely to be good at it, so that it is a Good Thing there are parties and conventions and annual prizes for escorts and for porn stars. There was a brief attempt in the porn capitol of Southern California to claim that paid performers in sex videos were actually being paid for prostitution, but that didn't go very far.

For one thing, the industry is now seriously institutionalized. There are megabuck millions on the line, so there are lawyers, accountants, distribution channels, and lots more beyond online websites. This is Big Business, pays taxes, and keeps hotel chains profitable via adult pay-per-view television options at all the national chains. There are industry associations with lobbyists and publicity agents who know what they are doing. Male escorts, following in the wake of hetero hooker activists, may be trending in the same direction. And while it may be argued that those who perform professionally on film are good at Looking like they are having great sex rather than actually having great sex (which lots of amateur videos prove can be poorly presented and unfun to watch, whatever the hijinx and revelry involved), but actually providing a great experience is what a successful escort is supposed to do.

The first great male porn star was, undoubtedly, Casey Donovan, a high class courtesan for much of his too-short life. Others in the industry have followed. Rafael Alencar, Tommy Defendi, Colby Jansen, and other top stars have hired out their personal services on Rentboy.Com, so sometimes if you watch someone you like, you can meet with them in person. I think that's a Good Thing that top-of-the-line performers and escorts are likely to continue doing, so long as they want to, whatever happens to this one website. Remember the old adage that the Internet considers censorship to be a technical gitch and routes around it.

If that takes a while for ordinary dudes who are trying to get by, it WILL inevitably happen. And perhaps it will be sooner rather than later that filmmaking and escorting will be sufficiently and openly integrated so that you can watch before you hire. Without a webcam of my own, I don't really claim to know what happens in online shows sponsored by major adult industry studios for their existing stars, but turning tricks has always been a way for a man to make some quick cash; these days it is just more conveniently automated.

At this v moment, it says 132 people have looked at this message, and there is not a single reply.

So I wonder how many people actually managed to read my epic on this topic. And how many of them skipped a reply because discretion is the better part of valor, OR since they cannot say anything good, they courteously choose to say nothing. I should learn to do so well.

HOWEVER.

Today I wandered over to Amazon, the world-famous sweatshop and worker abuser-in-chief and found four comments from various reviewers.
Here they are.

“Clear-eyed and unsqueamish, Not Gay defiantly insists that sex between contemporary American straight white men is in fact meaningful sex that can't—and shouldn't—just be hand-waved away. Jane Ward provides a timely and convincing corrective.”-Hanne Blank,author of Virgin: The Untouched History

“Not Gay is nothing less than a breath of fresh air. This book is certain to change the way that we think about heterosexuality’s relations with the homoerotic.”-Roderick Ferguson,author of Aberrations in Black: Toward a Queer of Color Critique

"This fascinating book explores the worlds of white men who have sex with other white men and yet identify as straight.”-Pacific Standard

"Rather than focusing so much on sexual orientation, or trying to unmask the feelings of these men, who position themselves as heterosexual yet engage in same-sex sexual behavior, Ward turns her attention to the ways in which certain organizations use homosexual acts to further men's investment in heterosexuality, hypermasculinity and homosociality in order to build lasting, strong bonds and friendships and to reassert white manhood."-Metapsychology

So with that puffery, there are also reviews from readers who have posted their own remarks on the sweatshop's sales site. In particular, this one seems remarkably pertinent. http://www.amazon.com/review/R1BXX5F9JB7IOY/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1479825174&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=283155&store=books

Since War has a website named in the company's sales page, I may toddle over there to see whether the author has a cogent reply to this quite friendly but quite disappointed critique.

Such men are not necessarily gay because categories and labels are bunk. Sex is sex, and when you're hot, you're hot; when you're not you're not. Period.

The old way of saying that is "a hard prick has no conscience." Also known as "any port in a storm." And sometimes alibied as "God, was I drunk last night (I don't remember a thing)."

Health researchers have lately added SMWHSWM to Gay and Bi and Straight for convenience in talking about epidemiology issues and social behaviors. Read through the M4M category of small/classified adverts on Craig's List sometime and you'll find a lot of dudes who identify as st8, maybe even married with kids, who have an "itch" sometimes and want a hard cock up their ass or an occasional dick to suck.

Anyway, there's a new book about the phenomenon: "Not Gay: Sex Between Straight White Men" by Jane Ward, an associate professor of women’s studies at the University of California's Riverside campus (about a hundred miles east of Los Angeles).

There is an interview with the author in New York Magazine:
http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/08/why-straight-men-have-sex-with-each-other.html?mid=facebook_nymag

She explains why she avoided the complexity of interracial connections in her study of why and whether and how straight men are supposed to be more rigid, more narrow, in their sexual accommodations than women, who increasingly are allowed (encouraged!) to kiss each other for the titillation of a man or men.

"But for white men, no one ever asks what’s going on in white culture or what it is about white masculinity that is making this kind of sex practice possible. But that’s really precisely the question we should be asking, because white men have engaged in — straight-identified white men have engaged in — intimate or sexual encounters with one another since the very invention of heterosexuality and homosexuality as medical terms in the late 19th-century, and yet very little attention has been paid to it."

She's right that heterosexuality was invented just over a century ago (as a counterpoint to the invention of homosexuality) but to say men hafe fucked around somewhat independently of the gender of their partner "since" that invention surely is misleading. In fact, it did not start then; it continued from then on just as it had previously.

"I think it would be helpful to just start with greater awareness that homosexual desire is just part of the human condition," she says.

"Now if we take that as given, then the question is, Well, why do some people want it more than others, or why do some people organize their life around it, and other people don’t want anyone to even know that they do it? To me that’s a more interesting question than Are you born gay or straight? and so I think that the solution, honestly, is to stop being so obsessed with sociobiological arguments about sexual orientation, which I think are a trap, frankly, and instead ask the question, Given that so many humans have homosexual encounters, what is it that makes some people understand their homosexual encounters as culturally significant, and other people understand it as meaningless or circumstantial? I don’t think we have the answer to that question yet.

And that is a great question. Earlier today I was explaining to someone that in the decade or so of my life that began with puberty, I could have had sex with far more women if I had allowed it to happen, but I was not interested, and to the extent I was even curious (as opposed to driven by innate compulsions to fertilize and breed, or at least go through the motions. That was not me, but eventually I fumbled into taking a more active role in getting who I did want in terms of sex partners.

Some of my behavior was simple ignorance of what to do. Some was due to a fear of screwing up (from lack of interest as much as inexperience and skill). A long time later, I realized that I could have been frolicking with all kinds of people, men and women both, if I had been able to recognize an opportunity or even a direct offer.

Tell me whether you agree with this take. Before sex, it seems like an enormously big deal, highly significant, a deeply meaningful crossing of the Rubicon. NOW one is a man. NOW one can breed and procreate and go out for lots of sport fucking because NOW you know it is not the big deal you thought. The world did not end. There may or may not have been stars, but there are always other fish in the sea, etc. etc.

I think it is Nick Jonas, of the pop singing Jonas Brothers, who gave up wearing and flaunting a chastity ring as soon as he stopped being a virgin, who said that his reaction after his first time with a woman was, "Is that all there is? Is THAT what the big deal is supposed to be?" With so much societal buildup and mythology, it almost could not be otherwise once you learn the truth. It's like the old lie that you should save it for marriage because virginity is so very, very special and sacred and blahblahblah, the triumph of virtue over carnal depravity, the mystical need to wait until the wedding night, "the most wonderful night of your life." When both partners were equally ignorant and inexperienced, it surely was a very special night, but "wonderful" might not be le mot juste.

If it is correct that sex is a much bigger deal Before the act than it is After, that might shed some light on the question she asks, above: "Given that so many humans have homosexual encounters, what is it that makes some people understand their homosexual encounters as culturally significant, and other people understand it as meaningless or circumstantial?"

Some people make a big deal out of it; other's don't. A young Navy recruit on his way to training was approached by a man who wanted to give him head. He was horny and intrigued, but had all kinds of issues and concerns about whether it was wrong, whether that would define him in a way he disapproved, what others might think, perhaps even whether it was morally wrong, though in this particular case I doubt that was actually a concern. He was persuaded without much difficulty, the winning argument being, "Hey, it's just a blowjob."

Some men, in that situation, would have turned violent over time, become gay bashers or self-righteous Bible pounders. Other men seem perfectly willing to get off and appreciate a hot mouth, but rarely encounter an opportunity. That is, they're not looking, but if someone hits them up first, they may be perfectly willing.

Maybe we all have stories, perhaps similar to the ones published by the late Boyd MacDonald in the form of verbatim extracts of letters sent to him as part of his years of extensive documentation of male-male sex. His underground magazine, The Manhattan Review of Cocksucking, sometimes called Straight to Hell, or simply STH, can be sampled, merely hinted at, by means of a few rare and scattered issues that  have been scanned onto this site, but so far uploaded are none of the books in which he collected hundreds, even thousands, of spontaneous real-life encounters.

The stories I suspect we all have– esp. those of us whose puberty took place before the Internet, before porno theaters, DVDs, and VHS--involve str8 people having sex with men because queers were unavailable and for all purposes other than "bogeyman" or "night monster," nonexistent. That is, sex with a man or a boy our own age pretty much involved straight men because, as I said, that's all there were.

Maybe a college, Boy Scout, or summer camp experiment was conducted in secret, but that can be written off as youthful folly. If the widespread experience men have with dicks other than their own ever became common knowledge, then "everyone" would be in on the secretly erotic fraternal bonds of men just as the world is increasingly aware of "the sisterhood." (Interestingly, it is the same ahedonic Fascist types who oppose both gay marriage and female equality. Hmm.)

Would be happy to hear what everyone else thinks about straight men having sex with other men, and why some people can do that, have a good time, and move on without significant baggage, while others totally freak at the very thought of men voluntarily meeting each other's needs.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/8/9120717/sense8-season-two-renewed-netflix

Sense8, Netflix's original sci-fi series from the Wachowskis, is coming back for season two. The long-awaited news was announced on Twitter today [8 Aug 2015] via a video from the show's cast.

Fans were starting to get concerned that Sense8 was going to disappear. The promising new show — which let the Wachowskis and writer J. Michael Straczynski stretch their legs a bit — went an unusually long time between its premiere on Netflix and the announcement that a second season was on the way. Most Netflix original series get renewed or cancelled soon after their first release — the longest wait has typically been around a month. But Sense8 came out over two months ago.

Nevertheless, the show is officially returning. It seems nearly certain that Straczynski and the Wachowskis are back on board — they had previously announced that they had designed the show around a five-season story arc — though no official details are available yet. We also don't know when you'll get to watch the group of sense-sharing individuals continue their story, but Netflix does note that season two is "coming soon."

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At the above link, you can see the short video of the cast members singing "Happy Birthday" an revealing the good news.

Personally, I'm hoping for more frontal nudity from principals as well as lots more sensual sex activity like the first season's orgy, which was more evocative than frank, with lots of gleaming, writhing bodies. Far more artistic than explicit, but mostly waaay too short.

An American soldier, serving in World War II, had just returned from
several weeks of intense action on the German front lines. He had
finally been granted R&R and was on a train bound for London.

The train was very crowded, so the soldier walked the length of the
train, looking for an empty seat. The only unoccupied seat was directly
adjacent to a well dressed middle aged lady and was being used by her
little dog. The war weary soldier asked, "Please, ma'am, may I sit in
that seat?" The English woman looked down her nose at the soldier,
sniffed and said, "You Americans. You are such a rude class of people.
Can't you see my little Fifi is using that seat?"

The soldier walked away, determined to find a place to rest, but after
another trip down to the end of the train, found himself again facing
the woman with the dog. Again he asked, "Please, lady. May I sit there?
I'm very tired." The English woman wrinkled her nose and snorted, "You
Americans! Not only are you rude, you are also arrogant. Imagine!"

The soldier didn't say anything else. He leaned over, picked up the
little dog, tossed it out the window of the train and sat down in the
empty seat. The woman shrieked and demanded that someone defend her and
chastise the soldier. An English gentleman sitting across the aisle
spoke up, "You know, sir, you Americans do seem to have a penchant for
doing the wrong thing. You eat holding the fork in the wrong hand. You
drive your autos on the wrong side of the road. And now, sir, you've
thrown the wrong bitch out of the window."

Not the same place, and not everyone enjoys having them confused. On the other hand, it is easy to realize that for many people just dis(overing their growing package and its uses, for may, it is their main opportunity to view and study the different ways men stand, unzip, display (or overtly hide their apparatus). Watching dudes address the urinal, innocently take advantage of the vast outdoor bathroom facilities the world provides (and every Olympic swimmer/diver pees in the pool like everybody else) is a male thing.

It can be interesting, too, to look at dicks in one of the places they are most easily and naturally put to use, something v useful if you don't get to see many dicks IRL. And like nude dudes chatting in changing rooms without negative self-awareness– just men together doing what men do, no shame in that, nobody here but us guys all being guys together and naked in private the way strait men do-- it can be interesting to see men use their sexual equipment for its other most common purpose.

When young, have you ever peed into a toilet with another boy and crossed piss streams? It is an innocent bonding. Also, an excuse to look at each other's dicks to compare and contrast.

There was a popular mainstream movie about a woman athlete, "Personal Best." There was a scene where she steps up behind her naked boyfriend having a post-coital piss, and holds his cock for him. Certainly inspired me!

STEALFIRE: One of the most important approaches to the understanding of degenerate behavior is called Labeling Theory. First coined by sociologist Howard S. Becker, labeling theory assumes that no act is inherently degenerate or deviant. Instead, people in positions of power define what is deviant. An action is only deviant, or degenerate, if it is labeled as such by the dominant group.
          Accordingly, deviance is a product of social inequality. The people who are labeled 'deviant' are usually powerless people, because the powerful are able to make the rules or use their resources to avoid the 'deviant' label.

Thank you for this information and insight. Back in a prehistoric era, once Time magazine revealed the hanky code and Castro Street bars installed picture windows, fags, fruits and fairies were exotic and generally media figures of fun. Now, they're the couple next door. Saw a story the other day by the father who was a little bemused about going in public with his 10-yr-old son who proudly (and innocently unaware of the dangers) insisted on wearing a tee shirt that blatantly proclaimed, "I like men." Kid was not only hiding, but had figured himself out early and happily proclaimed it. Thus the world changes.

I believe Obama has credited "Will and Grace" for making gay normal and unthreatening. Might not have worked that way if any of the gay guys actually made out on camera, and these days beefcake is in, whether intentionally homoerotic or naively intended only for a female audience (yes, of course that's all they have in mind).

As everyone knows, if you do it right, sex is loud, messy, wet, and of course fun. In a word, it is "dirty." But you know what's really deviant? Sexual repression. The greatest, most wonderfullest granfalloon (cf Vonnegut, Kurt) in the world is still run by Mrs. Grundy and the public Victorian, just as if no one has genitals or is allowed to pay them any attention.

The Kronhausens, writing in the early 1960s, noted that U.S. pr0n tended to be violent, lots of shades of Grey even then, all manner of dominance and fantasies of force. In contrast, Denmark at the time was churning out skin books with stories that might consist of a single extended sex scene full of love, tenderness, multiple positions, and multiple orgasms.

If US telly has a "nip slip" or "wardrobe malfuction" (why do those only happen to women?), that is a scandal, just like breastfeeding in public, which as everyone knows is proof of sluttiness and whoredom. Meanwhile, civilized countries can have nude beaches that don't require a long hike and mountain climb to reach, and billboards with blatant boobs right in the center of the city. What can they be thinking– that the evolutionary and biological imperative is natural? Whoa! Who ever said That?

Guilt over doing what cums naturally benefits those who demand control, rather than liberation of the human spirit. What I find fascinating is the frequent description of pr0n women as nasty, degraded, rampaging sluts, secret (or not so secret) whores. How about healthy, happy, horny just like a lot of men?

Baffles me this sense that "nasty" is good. Maybe related to a time when pornography books had not only Lust in their titles, but often Sin, as if orgasms are evil. Look at all the videos described as wicked and other terms strait out of the holy mf church. Can't something be a turn on and desirable and attractive without being unholy, devilish, and the like. Why is it The Devil in Miss Jones and not her better angels at work and play allowing her to maximize enjoyment of the life their mythic sky ghost has given us, complete with seXboxes and Joy Sticks?

Kahil Gibran, once popular Lebanese writer, has a story about the dude who discovered a new pleasure. An angel and a devil appeared to comment. One said, "It is a virtue." The other one, whichever one it was, said "It is a sin." I suppose because boosting our self esteem by providing pleasure and relief to others is an evil thing to do. Ah, the Holy Babble. "Hate one another as I have hated you." The bigot's favorite verse.

Rejecting camp is not my idea of "social evolution." More like the kind of bigotry that thinks "real men" can change a car tire. How about "real men" can dance all night? Harrison Ford supported himself doing carpentry until he became a star. No idea what Fred Astaire did, or William Powell, who was the most elegant man on the silver screen– ever-- without dancing. What about George Sanders? Suave, debonair, elegant no longer seem to count as "manly," huh?

It was at the Stonewall riots where the drag queens changed our world by not giving in to paid-off police. The battle cry from some brave, fed up queen was, "Save our sisters!"

Many years ago there was a man who advertised for sex, asking for "druggies, cross-dresses, queens, no serious men wanted." Report says he met one hella fine array of great men. Not my choice, but neither is the large old stranger in my mirror who is still trying to figure out who he is, after all these years, but "a man's a man for a' that," said Bobby Burns, quite correctly. (He also said "Nine Inch Will Please a Lady," not thinking that men might be a more comfortable fit...

Sergeant Swann, the original and most famous gay Marine porn star, once told me that they all wanted to bottom. Lots of str8 men married to women are out there asking for a chance to bottom while otherwise preferring pussy, which apparently does not always scratch an itch for them. People do what they do, and we make judgments that are more about us than about them.

Yes, queers were long a figure of fun, perhaps the only way we could be portrayed safely on screen. At least then there was a private sense of community, and gay bars were not full of women, but places of respite. As we have all grown older and dudes are not necessarily born in a heavily fortified closet, it turns out that a site like this reveals there is supposedly much interest in fat old men, whether called chubs, bears, or daddies. And while one trend is to shave the body and look prepubescent and better endowed, another trend is to embrace a flourishing bush, shaggy pits, and manly beard. In fact, scruff, goatees, and full beards turn up regularly in adverts on the electronic television machine. Apparently displaying the effect of male hormones on your face is considered sexy.

I was the first man I knew of my own age who grew a mustache, and it's probably older than you are. Now, they are as common in crowd scenes and real life as men in military uniforms were in 40s movies, or smoking on television. Or drinking on the telly, for that matter. Things change, nos et mutamur in illis, as the man said. "And we change with them." The new interest in fat geezers is great for some of us, and there cannot be a return any too fast to the Athenian ideal of the educated older man guiding a hot young horndog who rewards this kindly interest and socialization into the wider world by letting his mentor keep his balls well drained.

But anyone who thinks drag queens are all bottoms has been misinformed. And while I like full natural body hair, those straits who manscape to make themselves more available and attractive for sex and to help their partner keep hair from getting stuck in their teeth can also be seen as highly sexual beings devoting themselves to such details as an aide to breeder activities of one kind or another. And if You want to wear frilly underwear and can mange to pack your equipment inside, it is entirely possible to enjoy the contrast, the camouflage. Brad Pitt is not the only man who ever tucked his apparatus between his legs to amuse his girlfriend, but that doesn't make him a sissy in my book.

And there are people who prefer sissies, TV, TS, and so on. They may be str8s, like street people who get blown with their eyes closed and their hands locked behind their head in a position that says "Trade only." They may be transitioning and testing the waters. And as someone pointed out, perhaps in this thread, lots of str8s who become single, esp. later in life, are willing to seek out queers for purposes of easy accommodation, suddenly becoming "bi-curious."

Guess what that really means is that sexual activity is situational, and depends what you can get, what is easiest to get, and how horny and/or drunk you are. Now we just have to work on getting those dudes to stop being ashamed, embarrassed, fearful, or otherwise resistant and help move everyone along to a full time celebration of the orgasm as a good in and of itself, not just for individuals, but for society. (See Reich, Wilhelm.)

Anyway, I think it is a mistake to think that an end to camp is progress. Maybe it means there is less need to hide or disguise masculine lust as silly and frivolous rather than raunchy. Maybe it means some people like to appear available to more macho types. When encouraged and practiced, the principle of "each to his own," also helps boost the convenience and hedonism of t"he more the better."

Just responded to an antique thread on campophobia, about why some men are unappealing. Maybe they swish, or lisp, or behave in some other stereotypical way.
There are "str8" and bi men who advertise an interest in fem-type men, lingerie, cross-dressing partners, transexuals, and other surrogates that may make it easier for them to pretend they are doing a woman. Okay.
But I am made uneasy by adverts from people who want their potential partner to be "straight-acting" or "masculine." Wtf?
Does strait-acting mean stereotypically butch behavior based on the fear that hugging another man would mean being queer? But it's all right to slap teammates on the butt in the midst of playful celebration on field, to even to play grabass in a changing room with other jocks ("jocks" being slang for someone athletic who "plays sports" and wears some kind of strap with a cupping pocket in front to hold the vital appendages) because "we're all just macho dudes being naked together like "real men."
They're not afraid of who they are but who others might think they are, hence videos of str8s getting blown who react in silence and lack of motion even at the finish, lest they reveal a loss of control. Reminds me of a printer I once knew, a vet known as "Iron Mike," who was totally uptite and solidly clad in character armor to the point of being robotic. MEN are brainwashed into thinking they have to be a sterotype to avoid being a failure.
My own conviction is that "real men" do anything they want. If your favorite top does a scene as a bottom, do you suddenly think he is less manly? Are bottoms more fem than tops? A humorous book some years ago was titled, "Real Men Don't Eat Quiche." If you read that title aloud, you can pronounce it Kwish, and when corrected, respond: Kwish, KEESH, I don't know and I don't care. I don't east the damn' stuff."
Lol.
But specifically to the cited advert restrictions: Str8 men don't have to "act" str8, they ARE str8, so any way they act IS the way a str8 man acts. When I was younger and stupider, I decided that at some point, since I was a man, anything I did was something a MAN does. Some actions may go with the words, "Take it!" and some with the words "Give it to me," but a man can say either, in context, and still be a man.
People, in some languages, "tutoyer" or separate verbs into intimate and formal/public forms is to switch pronouns and call a male friend, esp. a stereotypical queer or someone you intend to insult (like a military drill sergeant or athletic coach facing new recruits and calling them "ladies." Maybe the gay equivalent (in the US there is a notorious black equivalent term as well) used amongst the in crowd, for the home team. In England, there was a whole language of queer argot, Polari, though I have no sense of how widely it was used or whether much of it survives.
"Ladies" to a bunch of soldiers or professional athletes is an insult to goad them into proving the term does not apply. In gay circles, "she" (referring to a man) may be equally an insult, but may just mean the person is part of the same orientation, no aspersions.
Back to where I started. What is "masculine"? Okay, so a hairy-chested rugby stud built out of fossilized testosterone is "manly." What about divers? Rowers? Gynmasts? Since I'm nothing like them, what about librarians, schoolteachers, accountants? Was "Mr. Chips" manly? He was no Hemingway hero, that's for sure.
Was Jeff Stryker not masculine for being in gay porn? Did he lose all such credentials when he was filmed using a dildo on himself? Did he gain points for his role in a bisex video? Okay, James Dean and Montgomery Clift may have lacked confidence in their manliness because they lived in a time when queers were defined as being "not manly." But whatever he was like in the sack, Rock Hudson made a career as a romantic lead for beautiful women, just like "tall, dark, and handsome" Cary Grant.
Rugby player Colby Jansen, former U.S. Marine, is plenty manly, even though he does gay porn. And even though he occasionally bottoms. Try and tell someone he's not man enough.
Noah Wylie, from the television show "E.R." has gone on to a career as an action star, a "librarian" in a library of mythic trophies. He's more Clooney-esq than Jansenite. Anyone ever kick him out of bed for eating crackers or being "less than a man"? I don't think so.
Anyway, as a fat, old, white-bearded polar bear, I think that when someone advertises for masculine, strait-acting guys, it does not sound like they have me in mind– and NOT because I'm old and round, or even that I tend to quote poetry a lot.

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Had to look twice at the quote about the man who did not women or men who were like them, because I have said that more than once myself. Also not interested in transitioned individuals, for that matter.

Having said that after a long silence on this thread, I will create a new topic to ask a similar question.

Q. What goes in hard and stiff and comes out soft and limp?

A. A stick of chewing gum.