@MikeChang:
Firstly I never said "HATE",
Yes, you did use the word 'hate'; it's right there in the part of your post that I originally quoted. Even if you hadn't used the word, are you surprised that when you scapegoat a whole part of the community by saying,
@MikeChang:
being gay doesn't mean you suddenly have to act like those dreadful camp queens from TV shows. that to my mind is one of the biggest reasons straight men hate gays.
that it's described as hate?
@MikeChang:
I gave an example to further my dislike to a particular type, (Camp Queens) that being the character played by Anthony Cotton in Queer as Folk UK or Jack from Will & Grace. I'm not saying there aren't people who are naturally like this, but I am saying there are plenty who think this is how they should be and therefore put on the act and make a whole over the top performance of being this way.
Some people choose to modify their behaviour for reasons including fitting in with a group. Assuming they're doing no harm by behaving that way, why is it any of anyone else's business? Where is the list of acceptable manners of behaviour? Who produced this list and what gives them the authority to do so?
Note: In all comments, I'm referring to freedom of behaviour which causes no harm. It would be tedious in the extreme to keep repeating that so I'll take it as understood.
@MikeChang:
I fully agree with the comment "Be Yourself" but just as I don't expect everyone to like me for who I am, don't expect everyone to like you for who you are, that is just totally unrealistic.
Who said anything about liking everyone? There's a huge difference between liking and accepting someone. No, we can't reasonably expect to be liked by everyone - true for everyone on the planet - but we sure as hell should be working toward acceptance of everyone! I have a very long list of people I don't like, but I accept everybody's right to be the way they are or the way they choose to be. That's not me seeking to be unusually accepting; the fact is that it's none of my damn business how they are!
@MikeChang:
I'm only one person and the original comment was that this effeminate guy felt he was not belonging in the gay community, something that I guarantee is not affected by me in any way.
This is a total cop-out. While you may not have affected the person who was the subject of the original post - assuming he's not a member of this site and didn't read your post - others who read your comments, who identify with the group you criticised, certainly will have been affected by you. Some, who have a strong sense of self-esteem, will probably have been angered by it, dismissed it or otherwise dealt with it with no harm being done. Some others though who have low self-esteem will have been damaged by it. Their already poor self-esteem will have been further eroded by your comments - that's the way it works!
http://www.thetrevorproject.org/pages/facts-about-suicide
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/25711600/higher-suicide-risk-for-young-gay-and-lesbian-people
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/04/us/04suicide.html?_r=0
https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/study-links-social-environment-high-attempted-suicide-rates-among-gay-youth
That first url has an interesting quote
Each episode of LGBT victimization, such as physical or verbal harassment or abuse, increases the likelihood of self-harming behavior by 2.5 times on average.
Source: IMPACT. (2010). Mental health disorders, psychological distress, and suicidality in a diverse sample of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender youths. American Journal of Public Health. 100(12), 2426-32.
We have a horribly high level of suicide in our community. That's a headline reality. The less obvious reality is that suicide is the most extreme end of a scale of increased likelihood of life-problems such as self-harming, failing to realise potential, lack of self-confidence and mental health problems. I'm sure the originator of this topic could give far more detail to this than I could ever hope to. Comments such as yours will move some readers towards the bad end of whichever scale they're on. perhaps by an imperceptible amount, perhaps by a lot.
Even if it's by an imperceptible amount, it still matters. If you doubt that, take a look at the applications in the psychology of mental health, of Christopher Zeeman's work.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02686568
Your comments do not exist in isolation from the rest of the world. What you say and post FUCKING MATTERS!
@MikeChang:
The comment about this being the biggest reason straight men hate gays DOES in fact come from my experience of many years of being gay and having straight and gay people telling me they (when they find out I'm gay) that they are so glad I'm not like those camp queens that turn their stomachs.
Yes, some people's stomachs are turned by gay people, of every type, manner and description. Some people's stomachs are turned by people of a race other than their own. Some people's stomachs are turned by mixed race marriages. Some people's stomachs are turned by people with disabilities. Some people's stomachs are turned by people of a religion other than their own. In every case, the problem lies with those whose stomach is turned.
The remedy to this gastric discomfort isn't the change in the behaviour of those that distress them; it's that they get rid of their sense of entitlement to decide how other people are allowed to behave!
As for the reason that some straight men hate gays; it's because they're haters. They seek to legitimise their prejudice by claiming their hate is half for only one part of the community, but that doesn't change the fact that they are haters. Refer to my comments above regarding a sense of entitlement. They may seek to make a scapegoat out of a particular sub-group but it boils down to the same thing - they don't get to make the rules on what's acceptable!
Accepting their hate without challenge, serves to add to the problem by, in their eyes, validating the behaviour, and by tacitly reinforcing that message of hate.
@MikeChang:
I never mentioned "Drag artists" of any sort, why because one of my best friends is not only gay, but also a Drag Queen, yet out of his frock he probably straighter than me except when in the sheets. I wouldn't want anyone else next to me when it comes to a fight as he can kick the shit out of the biggest thug or hater you could throw at him.
You use the term 'straighter'. I'm going to assume from the context that you mean more masculine, not more heterosexual. Heterosexual men don't have the monopoly on behaviour which is traditionally perceived as masculine and the perpetuation of the stereotype that they do, is not only harmful but massively inaccurate.
Did you really mean that first sentence? Had a drag queen not been one of your best friends and/or if he hadn't been 'straighter' than you, you would have included them in or list of those you dislike?
No, you didn't mention drag queens - I did to introduce my anecdote. Interesting that you take issue with my having done so. Why is that?