Posts made by Frederick

@cteavin:

@Frederick:

@cteavin:

@raphjd:

I support the death penalty in principle, but not in practice.

Too many innocent people are wrongly convicted for me to support the death penalty in the current state of the criminal justice system.

The classic test on this is the following: Do you create a system where one man is falsely imprisoned but ninety-nine are guilty or do you create a system where to avoid that one person being wrongly convicted you're willing to let ninety-nine guilty men go free? Change the words to reflect the death penalty. I say it's worth it that one – or ten -- men in a hundred be wrongly executed than to let the guilty go free.

I missed your comment until #1 responded to you.. I guess that is why he is #1 and I am #2.   You said "I say it's worth it that one – or ten -- men in a hundred be wrongly executed than to let the guilty go free."  10% false execution rate is OK?      :afr: :blink:
The thing that scares me the most is.. I think that MOST people agree with that!

So the reverse of what you're saying is that you're okay with all those guilty people going free, is that right? That's your choice: Innocent people die in prison or the guilty go free to do whatever it is they do again.

I've not looked at the statistics but I'm assuming that the repeat offender rate is far higher than a hypothetical 1 - 10% false execution rate. Think about this scenario for a second:

Let's say you have a five-year-old son who was rapped by a pedophile. In the court proceedings you learned the perpetrator had been tried for this crime before but released because of, say, he wasn't read his Miranda Rights (or something equally stupid). Our laws are set up in this way to prevent the innocent from being locked up, so more often than not the guilty go free and it is the citizenry that pays the price. I think it's bullshit. I have zero problems with going back to harsh penal codes that protect the population by having a higher chance of an innocent person being incarcerated, or in this case, executed.

This is an example of why I post here…  to learn from other perspectives.  I asked the question with a bad premise.  Let me put it a different way.  Everyone is entitled to a fair, unbiased trial, and have all the evidence presented.  If people were convicted and executed based on hunches, certain races would be wiped out over the course of a few generations.  In the case I refer to, the man had been consistently framed for many things of various degrees of severity over a 12 year period before the murder.  The evidence was ignored, the police told more lies than facts about the case, and when the facts are examined, everything points to the man NOT being guilty.  I think I've mentioned that I have 100% proof that the man could not possibly have committed the crime by himself.  The person in the video is not him... but nor is it the actual murderer (it's very complicated.. wait for the movie, book, and miniseries). 
I would also point out that around here, the same defense attorneys who defend clients for misdemeanors defend  clients for capital murder (which is mind boggling). 
Consider cable TV bleached blonde ugly as fuck Nancy Grace...  Nancy does that TV show for a reason..  she USED to be a prosecutor of capital crimes.. and she was fantastic.  She was so good at it that she NEVER lost a case!    She got caught lying if necessary to gain convictions.  Even as a TV show host, she falsely accused a woman of murder and was so convincing that the woman committed suicide.. and was later exonerated of the crime.

Another thing.. it is quite disturbing that police, interrogators, FBI agents, etc. are allowed to lie to people to intimidate them into confessions, giving up information (real or not), etc.  and that is legal.
HOWEVER.. if someone lies to the police, interrogators, or FBI agents.. they can have their ass locked up for 20 years just for lying whether they committed any crime or not!

This short documentary narrated by the highly esteemed legendary Orson Welles is quite an eye-opener about this topic. 
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/02/donna-brazile-found-proof-dnc-rigged-nomination-for-hillary-clinton.html

Hillary was handed over control of the DNC just 4 months after declaring her candidacy.. and a year before stealing the primary from Bernie Sanders.

Seems Donna Brazil wrote a book too!

WHOOPS!

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@raphjd:

Mentalism is the practice of using the way people naturally act and manipulation.

Most magic requires manipulation.  Usually this comes in using distraction tactics.

yes.. but as I will explain tomorrow.. this has nothing to do with magic.. but everything to do with manipulation. 
I will add a little more information though.. In the real life situation I will refer to, it was not 99 out of 100 being eliminated (99%) but 1584 out of 1600 being eliminated (which is still 99%).  This will make more sense tomorrow…

@raphjd:

I posted this thread because of the recent event where the black female singer told the crackers to get to the back and got extremely  butt hurt that the white female photographer refused to obey her black overlord.    The cucks that ran the music event apologized for the racism by the cracker fish they hired to take pictures of the event.

This shit is getting extremely common and the mainstream see nothing wrong with racism against whites.

I haven't been in college in a long time, but to say "college is where racism should be done at" is insane.    Everyone with a bit of power over the situation should have treated it like they would if whites had done it.

Racism, even against whites, is always bad.

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There's a video of some Hispanic students, of the not so legal type (wink, wink), at Berkeley scream and shouting at the professor and other students because it's racist to test the non white students.   The students, of any color, who sat for the exam were propping up white supremacy.   Anyway, the upset students wanted to write a simple essay at home with their textbooks rather than have a proper exam.   As many of the people who posted the video said, we've catered and pandered to these losers for so long that they think (know in most cases) that we will cave into their demands to avoid being called a racist.

I am reminded of the sketch on Chapelle Show about blind Clayton Bigsby.  To summarize that story.  Clayton is a black man who was blind since birth.  He thought he was white because at the orphanage, they all told him he was white so he wouldn't feel like an outcast.  Clayton grew up to be extremely racist, hated blacks, joined the KKK, etc.  After many years, Clayton finally realized that he was  black, and divorced his wife.  When asked why he divorced her after 45 years of marriage, Clayton said "I ain't staying married to no nigger lover!"

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While we are at it.. someone explain to me why pothead Snotty Dog is not in prison?

@cteavin:

@raphjd:

I support the death penalty in principle, but not in practice.

Too many innocent people are wrongly convicted for me to support the death penalty in the current state of the criminal justice system.

The classic test on this is the following: Do you create a system where one man is falsely imprisoned but ninety-nine are guilty or do you create a system where to avoid that one person being wrongly convicted you're willing to let ninety-nine guilty men go free? Change the words to reflect the death penalty. I say it's worth it that one – or ten -- men in a hundred be wrongly executed than to let the guilty go free.

I missed your comment until #1 responded to you.. I guess that is why he is #1 and I am #2.  You said "I say it's worth it that one – or ten -- men in a hundred be wrongly executed than to let the guilty go free."  10% false execution rate is OK?      :afr: :blink:
The thing that scares me the most is.. I think that MOST people agree with that!

There is ZERO chance that I would ever record the Trevor Noah show.  Trevor Noah is a no-talent, ignorant, douche.  However, Comedy Central's showtimes do not correspond to the times on my cable system.. so that when I try and record something like SouthPark, the ending always gets chopped off.  One solution for this is to record the show following Southpark which in this case was Trevor Noah.

Let me just interject that Trump did a fantastic job of putting a swift and effective end to the witch hunt, and was personally responsible for rescuing 6 children!

Then came Trevor Noah.  Before I could delete Trevor's show, he announced that the she-devil Hillary Clinton was his guest for Halloween show (how apropos!).  Everything Hillary said was bullshit of course.  It is rather pathetic that she has sunken so low that she is now doing Trevor Noah's show.  Hillary's version for losing the election in this interview was misogyny.  She claims that people didn't vote for her because she is a woman.    I guarantee that far more people voted for Obama because he ISN'T white than did not vote for him because he ISN'T white.  Likewise, I guarantee that far more people voted for crooked Hillary because she IS a woman than did not vote for her because she IS a woman.  But.. Hillary is blind to the truth.  One magical moment in this interview is when Trevor asked her "why don't you just go away?"  Hillary's response was basically "nobody ever asked Gore, Kerry, McCain, or Romney to go away after they lost their elections".  I would have said, "you know why bitch?  because Gore, Kerry, McCain, and Romney all accepted the election results and moved on with their lives after their loss!  YOU have not!"

Anyway..  I would like everyone to watch this video clip.  Unfortunately it does not show the bitch being introduced and walking to the chair.  She is bloated up like Veruca in Willy Wonka - and has the stature of an Oompa Loompa.  Her hair is horrendous… and even with more makeup on than Tammy Faye Bakker ever wore, her face is still horrific.  She is all puffy, with big bags under her eyes.. sagging - wrinkly neck.. and cheeks that look like they have been quilted after bad plastic surgery.    If she had won the election, there is no way she could withstand the rigors of that job.    Hillary's only talents are making excuses and dodging responsibility.

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@cteavin:

I feel you're setting up a metaphor. I played several scenarios in my head, so I'm curious how you're going to spin this.

I'll give the slow-pokes one more day to vote.  When I post part two.. I hope that you will see my point and agree with it.

@raphjd:

We've seen black people at various events exerting their power over white people by demanding we move to the back.

How exactly is that oppression when they pull shit like this and get away with it?!   Whites would never, ever be allowed to do this crap.

We saw similar things around the US, especially at Berkeley.   Non-white students blocked the bridge and forced white students to walk through the creek to get to class.   The police were on hand not to stop the racist event, but to prevent uppity whites from trying to get across the bridge and disrupting the event.

White people never complained about racism when the white people were constantly stuck at the end of the line, with a dozen black people ahead of them in any of the jungle expeditions in movies like "Tarzan".

@raphjd:

I support the death penalty in principle, but not in practice.

Too many innocent people are wrongly convicted for me to support the death penalty in the current state of the criminal justice system.

What you said is true.. FAR too many people are wrongly convicted to support the death penalty. 
When I went to college in the 20th century… I took a class in Criminal Justice as an easy elective.  (I doubt many Criminal Justice majors take Engineering courses as an elective).  In that CJ class, they emphasized that the purpose of criminal justice is not to punish the guilty, but to PROTECT the innocent.  They also pointed out that the justice system needs to favor the defendants, because it is better to free 100 "guilty" people than to "convict" one innocent person.  Great philosophy, but that is NOT the philosophy of police.  Most police have the attitude that even if the person is innocent of the crime they were charged with, they still committed other crimes that they were not charged for.

But.. even when someone is known to be guilty.. I fail to see any benefit from executing someone.  I also find it disturbing that to execute people.. you have to have executioners.  What kind of person is capable of killing a convict who is bound up / tied up / strapped down?  I would not want to associate with such a person.

Trump often calls for the "death penalty".  I don't think he is REALLY enthusiastic about it, but he keeps saying that to make people happy.  As many of you will recall, the two times that the moonbats were thrilled with Trump was when he pounded a Syrian military base and then dropped a MOAB on Afghanistan.  Hmm.. maybe moon bats = vampires?  Never thought of that!  Moonbats don't do anything constructive, they just weaken and feed off of their opposition.

Whether or not YOU support the death penalty, I would like to see reasons for having a death penalty.
I don't understand it.

I just checked, and most people support the death penalty.  Gender, age, religion, race, and politics don't matter much.. ALL groups support the death penalty.  Most people are morons though.  Consider that the median IQ is 100.  That means that half of people have an IQ of 100 or less.  I consider anybody with an IQ of 100 to be a moron. 
By the way.. IQ scores are just an INDICATOR of one's mental acumen.  People with high IQs can be, and often are morons.. but people of low IQs might be nice, honest, hard working, etc.  But they should not be put in any position of authority.

The IQ test was originally created as a placement test for the military.  They wanted to find out which people were good at analyzing and making the best choices.

Just for mathematical simplicity.. imagine a magician had two decks of cards but each deck only has 50 cards.. for a total of 100 cards.
If the magician took a look at all 100 cards and removed one, and then presented you with the remaining 99, I'm sure you would not feel that the magician was forcing a card on you.
If the magician took a look at all 100 cards and removed 5 cards, and then presented you with the remaining 95, I'm sure you would not feel that the magician was forcing a card on you.
If the magician took a look at all 100 cards and removed 70 cards, and then presented you with the remaining 30, I'm sure you would not feel that the magician was forcing a card on you.
HOWEVER if that magician took a look at all 100 cards, and removed 99 of them.. would you say that the magician forced a card on you?

I have a very real reason for presenting this poll.. please respond to it even though you may think it is a silly poll.  I will explain in a few days.

@cteavin:

@JohnAllenson:

I'm not sure how your first paragraph ties into sexual rape/sexual assault unless you're saying that paedophilia is a form of power abuse. I think the current thinking is that it's a sexual orientation.

I said precisely that 'paedophilia' is an attraction not an act.  If it is not an act it should not be a crime.  Paedophilia or heterosexuality or homosexuality or as-far-as-that-goes liking money are internal.  Only actions should be criminalized.

The example that has burst out on the Internet was the accusation that Kevin Spacey assaulted Anthony Rapp.  Kevin invited Anthony to a party where when they were alone, with neither the consent nor the prior knowledge of Anthony, threw him down on a bed and climbed on top of him.  It would still be a problem had Anthony been an adult rather than a 14 year old at the time.

There's a broad conflation between attraction and assault that has to be decoupled.

So you're being semantical? Interesting. It should be clear from the context that I was speaking of pedophilia broadly as in a person acting on those impulses. Rape a child, die.

In addition to decoupling attraction from assault, they need to divorce our current social moors from actions done in the past. There was no culture of consent when Spacey allegedly threw that young man on the bed.

One problem with labeling people as "pedophiles who should be put to death" is that they use the label "pedophile" for a very broad range of actions.  For instance:
Pedophile = man who stuffs his cock up the vagina of a 3 year old girl.
Pedophile = man who pats a 17 year old boy wearing pants on the butt as he walks by.

I would argue that one should not be put to death for patting someone on the butt.

The media likes to make their reports as salacious as possible to get interest and ratings.  They spice things up…

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@Frederick:

That reminds me of something that happened with that murder case I sometimes refer to.   There was this video made that the police removed from the internet.  A teacher showed the video to students.. and got FIRED as a result!

How I wish you would mention your International Murder Case more often!  "Sometimes" is just not enough for me.  Also, please expand the level of detail.

For example, what did that teacher do after getting FIRED?  Did s/he take some time off to get a new perspective?  What class did s/he teach?  Height, weight?

I sure won't be sleeping tonight!

I don't know what happened to the teacher after being fired.  He has a very common name, and a google search has way too many hits. 
It is interesting that the students were all 16 and 17 years old.. and the students ASKED the teacher to show it to them. 
What is incredible to me is that the teacher was fired for showing this video.  The article says the video shows the victim being murdered.  There is a big problem with that.. because the video does NOT show the victim being murdered.  The victim is already dead in the video.  So, the teacher was fired for showing a video of a man being murdered.. when in fact it was a video of a dead man being mutilated.  It's ironic that there is no blood in the video other than a bedsheet soaked red with blood. 
My main point being.. there are videos far more gory on the TV news every DAY.

There is a reason why the authorities came down like a ton of bricks on everything to do with that case.. including falsely convicting an innocent man.  It is because one of the charges filed against the framed man was filed by the corrupt leader of that country who has since been sent packing.

@cteavin:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/31/media/russia-facebook-violence/index.html

These types of articles are multiplying. The investigation seems to me, in part, about not accepting responsibility for 1) blindly believing, 2) not having critical thinking skills, 3) being unwilling to admit the US is not (insert superlative) enough to chose the best candidates, 4) losing.

What I have yet to hear/read is someone saying something along the lines of  "I should have checked that story my friend forwarded me on FB", or "Dammit, I should have known better" or even "Trump voters need to learn how to fact-check". Instead, "Russia made them do it" is all we're hearing. No. People made a choice because they're irrational. They're irrational because we don't value education and expect good teachers to work at retail wages while cutting funding for education programs and focusing on tests rather than the practical. In short, the US is getting what it refuses to pay for: An uneducated public without critical thinking skills.

Thoughts?

It's strange that almost all the "fake news" was attacking Trump.. yet the left is complaining that "fake news" cost Hillary the election.  Just what fake news was posted about Hillary?  There is so much REAL shit that Hillary did that why would someone bother to make anything up?

@flozen:

"Trump adviser George Papadopoulos lied about Russian links"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41808227

_"An election campaign adviser to Donald Trump has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about the timing of meetings with alleged go-betweens for Russia.

"George Papadopoulos admitted the talks happened while he worked for Mr Trump, not before, court papers show."_

Quite a Monday it was, and get ready for the floodgates to open when the Mueller deals start getting cut…   :crazy2:

You are referring to the plea bargain made with George Papadopoulos.    Doesn't seem to be a big deal.. but anyway.. you are correct that people often LIE when making plea bargains.  A great example of that is in rape cases where there are massive penalties for the accused if convicted.. so many of them plead guilty in a plea bargain.  One problem with that is that over 10% of those confessions later turned out to be false confessions!    Consider this scenario.  You are accused of rape, during interrogation, the cop tells you that they have your DNA that proves you committed the rape (cops are allowed to lie in interrogations).  So, what do you do?  Try and fight the charges and risk spending the rest of your life in prison? Or take a plea deal?  Most people would take the plea deal.

@cteavin:

They used that in South Park for Tweek's cupcakes. (I still need to show that episode to my kids.)

By kids, I assume you are talking about your students.  That reminds me of something that happened with that murder case I sometimes refer to.  There was this video made that the police removed from the internet.  A teacher showed the video to students.. and got FIRED as a result!

It also reminds me of one art teacher I had in high school.  She would often play R-rated movies in class to keep the students occupied.

@cteavin:

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=136127

Some will call it victim blaming others will say that his name is out there and he's already on record, so he should follow the current flow and release the names publicly.

What do you think?

I'm on the fence. On the one hand, pedophilia is the worst crime imaginable, worthy of the death penalty. At the same time, unless he has evidence it's only he said/he said and giving license to bring up old grievances.

Corey Feldman is a bit of a hypocrite.. and rather sad and pathetic.  He's been trying to cash in on the fame of Michael Jackson and the death of Corey Haim.  Haim's mother has sued Feldman before for making up stories about her son which she claims are not true.  Feldman actually believes he is "channeling" Michael Jackson..  and he also lives with several of "Corey's Angels" which is a direct ripoff of Hugh Hefner and the Playboy Bunnies.    Feldman's #1 goal for decades has been to make a sequel to the movie "Goonies"  - pffttt… pathetic!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5028079/Corey-Haim-s-mother-calls-Corey-Feldman-scam-artist.html

http://movieweb.com/corey-feldman-angels-sex-cult-celebrity-wife-swap/

Here is Kim Jung Un preparing his favorite dish.. the famouse PuPu Platter!

Manafort is accused of money laundering $18 million.  Just to make a point, let's assume that Manafort will be convicted of that…
so what?  those crimes were committed BEFORE Manafort joined the Trump team!  
Let me re-emphasize this.. the implication is that Trump's campaign was funded in part by the money laundering of Manafort... however, the charges against Manafort's money laundering specify a time period BEFORE Manafort was working on Trump's campaign.. Therefore.. it's impossible that whatever money was generated was done so for Trump's campaign. 
On the other hand, Hillary spent twice as much money as Trump on the 2016 campaign.. and still lost!  Where did THAT money comey from?

Meanwhile.. this now puts enormous pressure on the left to be investigated for their misdoings.

Here is a re-enactment of how the moonbats will react to this nothing burger...
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@raphjd:

My "chief of staff" is a civil servant.

In the case I was referring to.. it was a chief of staff of the leader of a country.

I think the most common usage of the term "chief of staff" is in the military.. in which the general can't be awake and available 24/7.. so he has a "chief of staff" operating in his place.    As I recall, during 9/11, the White House Chief of Staff gave the order to shoot down any planes that did not land - including the plane that went down in a field in Pennsylvania.  I think his name was Andy Card.  He is also the one that interrupted Bush while he was reading "My Pet Goat" to a bunch of 10 year olds.  That book is of a 6 year old level…  watch the video and you will understand..  Bush continued to read the book for 5 minutes after being told "MR. PRESIDENT, WE ARE UNDER ATTACK!".    One thing never mentioned about that is... by staying with the children, Bush was putting those children in great danger because he was a target.

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