There was no push to make marriage equality as a federal law because Clinton and the DNC-controlled Congress were homophobes.
If Clinton and Congress were friendly to marriage equality, there would have been a push for it on the federal level.
This is why the abortion argument is not about the states, but about federal law. Biden and the DNC-controlled Congress love abortion.
I don't know if you are deluded or just being dishonest.
Ah, liberals and their cancel culture are wonderful, but when conservatives do it, it's evil.
Why are you so blinded?
Why do you have to defend putting a graphically detailed teen porn book in an elementary school? There are plenty of non-porn books you can defend.
Why do teachers NEED to have secret conversations with young students, like some sicko groomer?
I never knew my teachers' political leanings, so why must kids today be indoctrinated into their teachers' dogma?
LGBTs are not being erased.
I think you are confusing "my 2yo is trans" with "kids at that age don't even think like that".
He always dismissed EVERY post made about actual, proven voter fraud.
He also accused me of only ever caring about voter fraud because Trump lost, despite my long history here (and everywhere else) of being against voter fraud, even long before Trump ran for office.
He would take a topic that had never been discussed here and assume my stance, and use that to slag me off. At least I based my comments on his proven track record on actual discussions here.
I know, you're a liberal, so you can't see the difference.
If you want to think you did.
The only thing you "won" was not admitting that you people flip-flop on states' rights and federal rights, as the situation suits you.
Marriage and abortion are not enumerated to the federal government, so marriage is a states' rights issue, but abortion is a federal issue.
LOL, yeah you "won", alright.
But it is and was relevant that the graphically detailed teen porn book was not just provided to high schoolers. It was provided to K-12.
Your CNN article failed, intentionally, to mention the full argument, so I had to add the context.
As always with the left, you fail to frame things in their full context, so you don't look so bad.
As I said in the last post on the 1st page of this thread (to someone else), if the book was obscene enough to threaten a mother simply for reading the book out loud at a school board meeting, then it was too obscene for kids to read.
Nope.
You won't admit that if the DNC under Bill Clinton wasn't so hostile to gay equality, you would have gone the federal law route to make it the law of the land.
It's the same thing we see with abortion.
NOPE.
It was the tone and language you used, in that forum section.
If you would have used the same language and tone in the Politics/Debate section, it would have been no harm, no foul.
You have a biased view of the 2 recent temp bans, because they are on your side.
The 1st temp ban was due to the person refusing to debate the actual topic and instead kept reposting the same old crap that I should be banned for not being a liberal.
The 2nd temp ban was because the person routinely assumed my position on topics, in many cases he was completely wrong, using that to slag me off even when I had not posted in the topic. His extreme TDS and hatred of anyone who supported Trump is what got him banned.
If the Democrats weren't so hostile to gay equality, the people fighting for marriage equality would have fought for a federal law making it the law of the US.
This is what we are seeing in the abortion argument.
Because you have Congress and the WH on your side, you want a federal law, despite abortion not being enumerated, therefore a states' rights issue.
You must be desperate to defend providing graphically detailed teen porn to K-5 kids.
Name-calling, nice.
DOMA, as enacted by your beloved Democrats, did in fact erase FF&C when it came to marriage equality, until SCOTUS overturned it, more than a decade later.
DOMA allowed the federal government and other states to reject gay marriages.
While statutes can not technically "erase" parts of the constitution, they can effectively erase them until the SCOTUS overturns the statute, as they did in DOMA and DADT. This almost always take more than a decade.
Abortion is not enumerated, but the left wants a federal law to make it legal. Of course, you can't see the similarities because you are blinded by your agenda and hatred of anyone who disagrees.
It does not matter.
They provided a graphic detailed teen porn book to elementary (K-5) school kids.
So, grooming isn't bad, if it doesn't end up in actual sex acts, according to your logic.
DOMA erased the Full Faith and Credit Clause, but only for marriage equality and by extension all gay equality.
The argument was, if states enact marriage equality or civil partnerships, then it must be accepted by everyone else (other states and the federal government) under FF&C.
It was a states' rights argument in that each state was allowed to decide who could get married and due to the FF&C everyone else had to accept it.
It was not a federal government issue.
I do love your BS.
Go look for it. I believe it was in the Gay News section, maybe General News.
So, if I feel you didn't respond to my comments in a way I don't like, I get to treat you the same way?
Graphic, detailed discussions of teens having sex, is child porn. Imagine what would happen to this site if we had the movie version of that book and it had the exact detailed sex scenes.
Where were you during this time, that you don't know about this?
When individual states where starting to give marriage equality and civil unions to us, the right argued that it was not legal under federal law, but the left argued that it was states' rights.
Let me guess, you think that the marriage equality movement started during Obama.
Actually, I did admit I was wrong, on that single photograph. Also, you act as if I photoshopped it.
You called me an asshole and liar about that teen porn book being in Florida school libraries. Remember that?
Once I found the name of the elementary school that had it in their library, you ran away from the thread. So, using your rules, you are the asshole and liar since you have yet to admit that teen porn book was available in school libraries from K-12.
What you did was selectively quote the 1 part that supported your agenda, while refusing to talk about the 2nd part because if didn't suit your agenda.
That is lying by omission.
As such an expert in this case, tell me, why did you not mention the equally important 2nd part of the ruling, if you weren't being dishonest? Why did the ACLU (and many others) think the 2nd part was equally important, but you thought it was ok to ignore the 2nd part?
I'm pretty sure his first name is Sheamus.
In the future, please make sure you post in the correct section.
Clearly, you need to reread the thread.
I only mentioned abortion, to which you replied about other rights.
The argument about liberals flip-flopping on whether it's states' rights or federal rights, is important when we discuss these conversations. It shows the blatant dishonesty of the left.
How is gay equality a states' rights issue, but abortion is a federal issue? Clearly the left believe that women deserve more protection than the LGBT community.
Let's not forget that it has been the Democrats, since 1971, who promised us ENDA (Employment Non-Discrimination Act) and it's 5 other names and even when they had total control of the federal government, they never gave it to us.
It was the Democrats under Clinton that created the most homophobic laws the US ever had; DADT, DOMA and RFRA. RFRA is the reason we can be denied service. We can thank Schumer for that.