Posts made by jay230

@bearbearbear:

@jay230:

The only laws the site is bound by are those of the country it's hosted in… Which in this case appears to be Russia. If the site admins have used local laws in their country as justification for removing content it's a courtesy not an expectation.

The site owner doesn't need any justification at all to remove a torrent.  Seems like in this situation it is because doing the right thing is important, not because of any law.

Just to be clear, we take the privacy of our users very seriously. As such, we take complaints of revenge porn very seriously.

I think there's a disconnect here between the point I've been making and what you all are choosing to interpret… I didn't argue that the content should or shouldn't have been removed or that the admin made a poor choice in doing so. The site can deal with situations in any way they see fit. That said depending on the circumstances, taking action may be a courtesy, rather than a strict obligation or expectation.

Obviously when it comes to legality the jurisdiction is law within the host country, which is the minimum standard the site is held to. However if site admins want to go above and beyond, because they feel morally obligated, there's nothing wrong with that either. However as members we really are at the mercy of whomever is making that call in those cases.

@MrMazda:

@jay230:

The only laws the site is bound by are those of the country it's hosted in… Which in this case appears to be Russia. If the site admins have used local laws in their country as justification for removing content it's a courtesy not an expectation.

Actually, no… The domain is Russian, however the site is hosted elsewhere.

Which is why I said it appears to be rather than it is.

The only laws the site is bound by are those of the country it's hosted in… Which in this case appears to be Russia. If the site admins have used local laws in their country as justification for removing content it's a courtesy not an expectation.

@bearbearbear:

@jay230:

I've discovered my issue has to do with the tracker thinking I've reached my maximum leeching torrents . Currently I have no active torrent files other than the ones I am seeding and the tracker seems to believe I've got 13 torrents that are also leeching. I order to get the file I was trying to torrent working yesterday I had to stop seeding several torrent files in utorrent

Are you seeding any multi-file torrents that you only downloaded partially?

You're correct.

To be honest in all the years I've been using this tracker this only became an issue a few days ago. 15 download slots is a lot of content to be downloading at one time. That said I have noticed an increase in muti-file torrents so I think you're on to something in thinking they're some times more trouble than they're worth.

@mmmgash:

Hi,

There's a torrent I've reported a few times now because it's basically my material but I haven't given permission for it to be uploaded and it's essentially revenge porn. Is there a way anyone can contact me regarding it being removed please?

Is it "essentially" revenge porn or is it revenge porn? You seem rather indecisive about it.

Also beware if you're going to DMCA something on the site be aware that person who uploaded it has the opportunity to counter. If they do the ball is in your court as the copyright claimant to show you've started legal action against the uploader or the content is re-instated.

I suppose you can ask nicely to have the content removed but the site is under no obligation to remove the offending content.

@MrMazda:

There are a few things that can cause this to happen. First, we need to see if you are able to reach the tracker back end. To do this, open the following link:

https://tracker.gaytorrent.ru/stmdd

Does this page open a statistics page, or does the page fail to load?

For that matter, when you open uTorrent, click on a torrent, then click the "Trackers" tab, what is the status message that appears there next to the tracker information?

I've discovered my issue has to do with the tracker thinking I've reached my maximum leeching torrents . Currently I have no active torrent files other than the ones I am seeding and the tracker seems to believe I've got 13 torrents that are also leeching. I order to get the file I was trying to torrent working yesterday I had to stop seeding several torrent files in utorrent

I use utorrent and there seems to be an issue with the site. I've tried to torrent a few files today and they don't seem to start one I've added them to utorrent. Is this an issue with the tracker or something on my end? I seem to have no issues with torrents from other sites atm.

Appreciate your response but none of those solutions actually address the issue. This is something that's easily addressed and offenders dealt with.

I'm wondering if something can be done in regards to fan site torrents. The majority of torrents in this category are pretty vague and downloading them is kind of like playing Russian roulette. You literally never know what you're going to get. Often the individual file names look like this "utj0fdQpLV14OSNph81DmktGMdEiJQI1.mp4", there's not really a description of what's in the torrent, and there are no screen caps to go off of. Kind of makes it hard to decide if the torrents even worth downloading when you've got absolutely nothing to work off of. Also with constantly uploaded compilations from the same people it's also hard to know if you're downloading something new or if it's just a repackage of something you've already downloaded. At very least a requirement to have the individual files named with something descriptive rather than a non-descriptive sequence of numbers would greatly improve the experience with these torrents.

@raphjd:

As I said in the mod section, there are respectable and responsible porn companies that use young looking guys for their videos; ie AYOR, Eurocreme, BA, Hammer, etc, etc, etc.

There will always be cases like Brent Corrigan's where he used convincing fake ID to get into the business.  This is the reason no one from Cobra or porn dealers were arrested over it.  The videos were recalled and that was that, except for the civil suit between Corrigan and Cobra.   Traci Lords is another example of an under age porn star who used fake ID.   We can never protect ourselves from this, except delete them from the site and our hard drives if/when they are made known.

To be safe, we should only allow videos of guys with grey hair.  Oh wait, my uncle Pete was bald and completely grey at 17.  Damned, that rule won't work either.

NOTE 1:  True kiddie porn will always be banned.  In this thread we are talking about under age {16 -17}.

NOTE 2:  We won't ban people for posting questionable stuff, only the stuff that is on the banned list.

There is a difference between a guy that looks like he just turned 18 and a guy that is obviously younger than that. I don't think any of these actors you speak of from TV shows were actually meant to be seriously believable as significantly younger than they were they were simply the right person for the role. Isn't it a running joke that these teen dramas are slightly out of touch from reality?

We can protect ourselves by disassociating ourselves with content where actors may or may not be underage. We've illustrated several times now how our eyes are the best judge. I understand that there may be in your eyes several reputable studios that use young looking guys but who's to say they just haven't been caught or even will be?

I never said the site should condemn those who Download or Upload questionable content unless they continue to upload such content to the site.

The Brent Corrigan and Tracy Lords cases were highly publicized cases due in part to the characters involved and the way things were handled… I'm sure they are many other cases where things were handled much quieter. Cases like this would be avoidable if this industry was so dangerously obsessed with youth which is far more than it is in mainstream Hollywood. I'm not saying actors should be grey and balding before they should be allowed to do porn but at least old enough as to clearly depict two consensual adults engaging in sexual acts.

In terms of the way I think the law would view such cases where actors are much younger than they appear much like you "Uncle Pete" much differently than when actors CLEARLY appear to be on the younger side. Even though we are talking about 16-17 year olds who some would consider to be capable of making their own decisions or adults in their own right in the eyes of the law they are not.

There is no one true solution to this problem because each will have it's own pro's and it's own cons. I do feel however that the amount of content purged whether it be within compliance or not is small compared to the damages caused by keeping it here.

BTW IMHO the torrent file that started this conversation the actors appeared to be more along the lines of 15-16.

@mgr:

Not at all I just wanted more of a breakdown of the younger age categories is all… I thought 35 was a good marker for the "older generation". Once you starting talking about guys 35+ the internet is still a relatively new idea and platform and most certainly you can remember a day when all you could do is go down to your local seedy part of town to rent porn. Meanwhile use "younger" guys more so the 25 and unders have grown up with this technology for most of our adult and teenage years as a means of gathering "entertainment". For most of us the internet gave us our first taste of gay porn. By No means am I saying over 35 is the same as being dead and in the ground.

I recently read a blog comment that suggested that the younger generation would ruin the porn industry as young people are generally not willing to pay for online entertainment and therefore Download via peer2peer sites such as this one. It also suggests that the older generation who are more included to actually make purchases are too weak to keep the industry afloat.

Since this is a torrent site I thought it would be interesting to find out the average age of users here and what people think of the downfall of the industry that keeps us "entertained".

Here is the original comment:

Porn magazines dropping like flies, studios facing massive drops in dvd sales, on-line sites seeing big drops in memberships, VOD sales flat - this industry will not make it. It's as simple as that. With a younger consumer base coming, a consumer base that believes they do not have to pay for 'entertainment', will NOT buy porn. Those that do buy porn will most likely be an extremely weak older consumer, not big enough to support the industry

My Response:

I doubt the fall of the porn industry will come that easy. The print industry has long fallen behind in terms of adopting digital means and I've bought a few of these magazines that have fallen and honestly they were nothing special in terms of content.

I am from the generation you speak of and have purchased many films in my short life as an adult gay male. I don't own a credit card and even if i did I doubt I'd be using it to buy online porn. I have however purchased dvds though I've always felt that they were mildly over priced and the selection was mediocre at best at my local shop. those that were moderately priced were usually of pretty low quality.

For things to change somethings got to give and i doubt it will be the consumer. The consumer wants the freedom to view a variety of different material at their leisure without limits. It would be nice if the industry could be more flexible in both price and the content that they release to websites like AEBN/Nakedsword. For me to join all of the major studios websites monthly would cost upwards of $150 and that depends on what you classify as a major studio and that doesn't include armature content like Randy Blue or Sean Cody.

The industry is going to have to take a hit and not be afraid to innovate if it wants to succeed. One place for one price is where it's at.

Another Great response:

You said: "Those that do buy porn will most likely be an extremely weak older consumer, not big enough to support the industry."

Oh come on now! Porn consumers already are mostly older men over the age of 35, period. Even in straight porn. AVN's demographics already show that older men (35+) have already been porn consumers. There is this myth that those that buy porn are somehow younger guys (or that more women actually buy porn) but this is not the case. young guys oogle but they do not often buy.

Most of us aren't lookers, honey. Most of us are the beautiful ones that stand like statues at the bars, or who command great sexual attention. Porn is part (though not all) of our erotic entertainment.

I sure hope the porn studios don't forget who their buyers truly are and have always been.

Thanks guys… I did try and back up my statements by doing some research but the things I was finding were in no relation to my arguments. I am not the best writer and often struggle to find the right way of saying something the first time around. I do that cumeaternc for pushing me in regards to the issue so that my statements could come into perspective and thank those who have backed up what I said.

Along with with evidence found in pictures and torrent files I think just to be safe as well doing research on the studios like cumeaternc and trukr did is also a good thing because it helps backup their decisions to remove content and supports the notion that this isn't a war on guys who like younger guys but to keep the site safe. Though first and foremost our eyes tend to be the most honest.

The best way for us to help keep the site sane like amice is talking about is to leave comments on videos or even on the forum to make users who enjoy this type of content question themselves and the legality of their actions. This also apply to other legal content such as bareback which is a HUGE sore spot for me and goes hand in hand with twink porn because more often than not it's young boys in this genre. These comments aren't about bitchy or pissy but sometimes the more bold statements are the ones that have the most impact.

You can argue the law how ever you want I'm sure there are people getting off on this sort of thing everyday. Really it's all in how you argue you can still argue intent with little evidence it's all in how you strategically tie intent to what you have. Me I had very little so I thought outside the box. I tried to illustrate how the law views other types of content such as cartoon drawings and then I used an analogy. I enjoy a good challenge.

@cumeaternc:

Well put jay230! So I can assume from now on you will not take My word or any other mods that a torrent is safe and when you report them as questionable you will have already "looked to the sky" yourself to prove it really is blue ;D  Thanks for that because we Mods are few and you users are many.  We can use all the help we can get proving our torrents are safe. BTW guys thank you all for voting in my poll and discussing it.

Much Love
Brandon

The proof I am talking about is the proof we can see with our own two eyes ie. the actors in said torrents. NOT A FUCKING COMPLIANCE STATMENT. The comment on the sky being blue was that you don't need a piece of paper or a book to tell you that it is in fact blue, you can see with your own two eyes without further proof! I've said this all along and I will say it til the bitter end that compliance statements can be false and should not be trusted to prove whether content is safe or not!

Better safe than sorry isn't condemning such content it is just saying it is too risky to associate ourselves with. There is no regulatory body that governs the porn industry there are a few loose rules but little to no follow up or rules as to who can produce such content. It is mostly self regulated and while most do a great job of devolving codes of practice any joe can start a porn studio and they do everyday. Most of the questionable content is produced through these turn key studios who's to say such statements are just there as smoke and mirrors since the law is pretty much reactive rather than proactive??? Yet another valid argument that proves that the best proof is in what we can see in these videos rather than what a studio tells us is happening behind the scenes that will probably be dismissed yet again.

@mikeyinut:

what is questionable.  What i find is questionable may not be for others.  The compliance should always be researched. For us here a users of the site should be helping the moderators in the area,  if we come across something like the cobra collection we should give a head s up

mikey in utah

Please read the "YOU MUST SEE THIS!" thread in this sub forum before you vote. By questionable content he means content in which the actors regardless of compliance statements appear to be underage and simulated rape where it appears to be a little too real. It is my opinion that this site should adopt a policy of better safe than sorry when it comes to dealing with these issues.

As we know from the Cobra incident mentioned above that compliance statements can sometimes be false and that some members of this industry are not 100% honest. I know that in any civilized country that the law states that you are "innocent until proven guilty" but also know that in many cases in society the opposite is in fact true. If the police came to your home and started seizing computers and searching your belongings do you really think people in your neighborhood or community are not going to start forming opinions based on what they saw or heard about??? The Law is tough but society is tougher. Any person who has followed or heard about any high profile cases will tell you that guilt is often determined way before innocence.

I feel that the only real proof is in what we can see with our own two eyes and feel this issue is too risky to sit here and argue over the semantics of the situation. We should be adopting a stance that protects the safe and security of the site and it's members. When the line between reality and fantasy is blurred regardless of disclaimers which can be false it is best to disassociate ourselves with such content because the risks are far greater than not and it puts us all at risk.

This is not a quest to purge all simulated rape or youngblood content from this site because I still believe that this site should offer freedom of choice but I do question those who choose to view such content. I do feel however that there is some content in this realm where the line between simulation and reality is questionable and rather than relying on those who produce it to tell us whether it is or is not we should simply use what we see as proof. If someone told you the sky was green do you go home and research to see if it is true or would you simply look to the sky yourself to prove this person otherwise??? The best evidence is in what you can see not in what someone else tells you is true.

I just wanted to throw this out I have received numerous requests for re-seeds in the past little while for torrents I was already seeding. I seed 100% of my downloaded torrents 100% of the time. There are torrents I have been seeding for a little over 2 months which is way longer than I have to in order to maintain a decent ratio I do this out of respect for other members and to be a nice guy. Though from now on if I am already seeding a torrent and I receive a re-seed request for that torrent I will simply turn the torrent off and may choose not to seed it further simply due to the disrespect of others. I do not need to be harassed to do something that I am already doing I mean this is only porn. If it takes you a week to download something LIVE WITH IT if you can't get it to download here go elsewhere or harass someone else. Those members who continue will simply be sent this message:

I was seeding this torrent at the time you requested it. I have since turned it off simply because I was already seeding it and I don't need 10 000 requests to do something I was already doing. Please note that if any of the torrents I am already seeding are requested to be re-seeded I will simply turn them off because I seed all of my torrents %100 of the time as a favor and out of respect for other members I don't need to be harassed to do something I am already doing %100 of the time. This is simply disrespectful…