Posts made by blackdid

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edit: let's wait 13 min before saving, to see what time will be indicated if edition takes 13 min.
Will it be the start editing time or the end editing time ?

@joeblow123:

Thank you blackdid, I contacted both the jump-on seeder and the staff here, and saved screen shots, before I posted in this forum.

Great, I'm very happy for you, joeblow123

Now back to  wombat2 … because he doesn't want to stop his attacks, even after I thanked him in my last post.

1. "I want ALL the credit" followed your wonderful question, which was, let's remember it : "You want ALL the credit for yourself??"
   I replied in the same tone as your question, but you even can't see (or don't want to see) this kind of things.

2. I edited my post yesterday at exactly 10h52 : « Last Edit: Yesterday at 10:52:08 pm by blackdid »
   And I did that because I still had things to say, then I saw your answer (posted a few min ago after my edit) and thanked you for this answer, thinking this would stop your personal attacks.

But no, you keep on writing bad things even after my last post was :
"Thank you"  :hug:

Amice explained you why you were wrong, concerning this jump-on thing, Mgr, Uwe etc.. don't like at all people who jump on fresh torrents until they're not snatched by 3-4 other members.

Now, when you write this : "Well actually there was another seeder for 2 seconds.. ME.. I saw your post & was only checking…"

Why the hell do you want to check by jumping on my torrent ???
You see my movie's size in the description page, right ?
You see the extension of my movie in the description page.
You see the size of your own movie.

If, with all these infos, you jump-on my torrent to "check" I don't know what, then something is really going wrong from your side.

Well, I wanted to stop this personal attack but you are the one who started them in your first post and you are the one that doesn't want to stop them even after I thanked you in my last post, so yes, I consider you are a very negative person who enjoys creating endless trouble.

Let's see how this will go, until the Mods close this thread.

@wombat2:

Well now you DO have my sympathy..

Thank you  :hug:

@wombat2:

@blackdid:

I deleted my torrent after 10 min of upload because i won't let those guys jump on my torrent after 5 min and take all credit for it  

I have no sympathy for anyone who deletes a torrent for such a selfish reason.. You want ALL the credit for yourself??

Yes I want ALL the credit for myself.
I don't like to spend a long time preparing the description AND the numerous pics, chosen them carefully one by one, uploading the torrent and see anyone jump on my torrent until 3-4 have snatched it, as it's the implied rule here.

I accept the fact that you have no sympathy for anyone who deletes a torrent for "such a selfish reason" (though I was 100% sure the same movie would be uploaded by someone else a few hours after I deleted it, and this is exactly what happened. I don't care if I lost my time preparing it for nothing, but I hope the jump-on seeder will remind this lesson. And if the same situation happens again, I'll do exactly the same)

So yes, I have no sympathy for anyone who jumps on a torrent when he didn't prepared anything, especially on a ratio-based site, where some users have a slow upload speed.

And I'm not, as you say, "on a witch hunt.. wanting members banned for trying to increase their ratios" : I want members to upload their own NEW fresh torrents and get all credits for their preparation, if they want to boost their ratio. I don't want to see joeblow123, who has a ratio problem, have anyone else seeding with him until 3-4 members have snatched his fresh torrent. And if the jump-on guy has a fast upload speed, that's 10 time worse for the original uploader, is it so hard to understand ?

If you want to see the kind of difficult description I'm talking about, have a look here :
http://tracker.gaytorrent.ru/details.php?id=87336&filelist=1#filelist

Gladly noone could jump-on this kind of torrent, because of the 14 self-prepared zip files…
Btw, I'm having a look at your profile : where can I see the torrents you carefully prepared and uploaded in this site ?

@wombat2:

(concerning joeblow123)…Though it might be better if you temporarilly change your security settings while you initial seed.. so that members can see you are trying to improve your ratio & are taking part / contributing to this community.. ratio only shows in Forum posts.. NOT torrent posts.. If we can see how many points you need [350points = 5GB] it helps us to judge our gifts..

Your last comment to  joeblow123 : he probably can't change his security settings because he's not a Power User (he didn't upload 40GB and his ratio is far under 1.05) . Due to a bug in the site, he'll have to wait to be a Power User in case he wants to have his Profile visible. It happened same for me (I had to wait until I uploaded 40GB, then only I could change my Profile settings and be visible, because I don't like at all hidden profiles)

Hi amice  
But, as long as you got his IP (in case it's a static IP), it should be possible to block (momentarily) his access to GT tracker ?
Well, I don't know if Mods can do such a thing or if it requires Admin privileges to do this.

Also what would be the result of this momentarily blocking ?
He won't be seen anymore as a seeder, his ratio won't be credited each 30 min with many MB that belong to the original uploader and he won't connect to all new leechers after this "forced disconnection" from the tracker. So yes, he should be able to keep on uploading to "old" leechers (but not to the new ones) and his upload amount won't be increased as soon as he is disconnected from GT tracker.

But all this would require extra work for all of you…so, as you wrote : "I hope that admins will find a technical solution how to stop those pet peeves"

Recently, Mgr was thinking a lot about this issue, let's wait patiently.

A few hours after : thanks to the unknown Mod who stopped this jump-on seeding (now you appear as the only seeder in your hot Vintage torrent, while most leechers downloaded 75% of it) so the hemorrhage will be less important for you.

As both of you (seeders) haven't been online since your last post (as shown in your Forum profile and his GT profile), it shows that a Mod directly fixed the issue, probably PM him so he won't do it again.

Or maybe your jump-on seeder stopped his client program by himself, without accessing GT web site (that could be the reason why he hasn't been on line for many hours), i.e without reading any PM

Don't know why…but my guess is that a Mod fixed the situation.
So thanks to the unknown Mod (or even Admin), whoever you are.

@joeblow123 : I understand it doesn't make you feel happy (see your crying icon)

Especially you prepared patiently 36 pics in the description page, formatted nicely your detailed description text (also including all technical characteristics of the movie) and added 32 tags ~ to indicate many categories, niches and themes, great job !

Then someone jumps on your torrent (without having prepared anything), takes all the credit of your long preparation and you won't be able to upload to the max, especially your ratio isn't good.

Well, you'll sure find some persons who will tell you that nothing can be done about it, personnally I don't like at all this situation on a based ratio site and I understand your frustration, as you maybe read what I wrote about this subject.

Maybe you should PM the guy (it maybe too late in a few hours) asking him to stop immediately, but perhaps he's sleeping now.
In case anyone from the staff needs a pic of the situation, I just took one, showing 2 seeders (including you of course), when all leechers just reached 50%

If you prefer to take the pic by yourself and PM it to a Mod, you should do it quickly while you're still 2 seeders, using the link that shows the detailed peers names :
http://tracker.gaytorrent.ru/details.php?id=97877&dllist=1#seeders

@beercan:

I still think of Tim from time to time, trying to remember him without feeling that sense of loss.

Nice thought  :hug2:

In the following link, Uwe and Amice both participated to the discussion :  why are GT stats session based ?
http://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=13110.msg55659#msg55659

Hi stealfire,
I sympathize with you about what you're going through.
Loosing 2 TB of data isn't good news at all, especially if you had personal infos on this HD 

Bonjour Maxime  

MrMazda ou Uwe te répondront certainement mieux que moi, mais une solution serait, pour l'instant, de télécharger seulement les nouveaux torrents, dès leur démarrage, quand il y a un seul seeder et que les leechers ont à peine démarré leur download, comme montré dans les 2 photos du lien suivant ("bons leechers" et "mauvais leechers"…pour toi, en tant que leecher)
http://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=12573.msg51910#msg51910

Ce système a bien marché pour moi, alors que j'ai la même vitesse upload que toi (30kb/s), il te suffit de ne pas downloader de trop gros torrents et de laisser seeder une fois que tu as fini, au moins quelques heures, pour avoir un ratio 1:1 sur ce torrent.

Sinon, pense à uploader un nouveau torrent : c'est le meilleur moyen pour augmenter ton ratio, et si en plus de gentils leechers te filent des points de bonus, c'est encore mieux, tu pourras les échanger en GB d'upload quand tu en auras suffisamment.

En tout cas, en tant que nouveau sur le site, évite de télécharger d'anciens torrents (pour l'instant) car ils auront peu de leechers et tu auras vite un problème de ratio.
Je constate à l'instant que le Pizzaboy que tu download est dans la catégorie des "bons leechers" pour toi, bravo  

Il y a aussi une réponse intéressante de notre Admin Mgr, un peu plus bas dans le même topic que les 2 photos "good et bad leechers", expliquant ce qu'il faut faire pour augmenter son ratio, et il parle aussi d'un problème de connectibilité  :
http://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=12573.msg52031#msg52031

Aie aie, tu n'es pas connectible, comme le montre la photo attachée, ca ne va pas arranger ton ratio.

Just found this couple of pics.
Titpig again, years are slowly passing by…

@mgr:

And even to a simple question like "which torrent client do you use" is often answered with "Windows media player".

Are you trying to say that "Windows media player" isn't the right answer ?
Omg I was soooo mistaken  :cry2:  ;D 
Hugs  :hug2:

Thanks Mgr 
Right, in fact I had in mind the client program used during seeding/leeching 

I'm glad you wrote "staff can see which program is actively seeding/leeching a torrent when the program is actively seeding/leeching[1])" , even if "there is another problem with this information"

What made me think of this question are topics like this one :
http://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=4209.msg12664#msg12664

Hi Mgr  

Yes, the manual upload worked finely, as shown in the 7 pictures found in the french support Forum, here :
http://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=13015.msg55419#msg55419

The reason why I tested the manual upload was to help tennisso in the french forum and also because I was very curious to try it, he gave me that occasion, thanks tennisso !

But even if it worked, QTM is much (much) simpler and quicker : I wish all Windows members could try QTM at least once, but  maybe many members never heard about QTM ?

Which makes me think of this (please correct me if I'm wrong) :
When a torrent is created and sent to the tracker, GT knows if this torrent has been created with QTM, right ?
(because it seems to me that when I download some GT torrents, I read in my client program, before downloading : "this torrent has been created with QTM 1.3")

My question is : why isn't the client program used by the torrent creator indicated in the torrent ?
It seems strange that this important point isn't mandatory in the protocols. And it would help you a lot in the Forum : just read how many times Mods have to ask users : "ok your fresh upload didn't work, please indicate us what client program are you using ?"

@Uwe:

If every downloader would just gift a single Seed Bonus Points, at the end it would sum up to important amounts, just a thought …

I always liked this idea !

@contra966:

Take the seed points out of the argument and I agree with you more.

As I don't take the gifted seed points in consideration, then we agree more

@amice:

there is nothing to "teach", the title of this says for all. over is simply over. or is there anything special to explain for you?

Well…I was thinking about the pros and cons of overseeding : if overseeding means you never stop to seed your torrent in the client program even long ago after you snatched it, then download speed will be very fast for all those who start to leech this torrent anytime, because of many seeders and few/no leechers. I feel that some users (who like to download their torrents very fast) will like that.

Especially I read often in GT Forum : seed, seed, seed, to keep the torrents alive and help others in their downloads.
The SBP gift (1 SBP each 2 hours) has nothing to do with that, because you earn it no matter how many torrents you seed (it's same if you seed 1 or 100 torrents)

Now the cons : as the guy answered in the other Forum, if you keep on seeding forever (and you have a fast upload speed), "you make it hard for users with slow upload speed to seed back what they've downloaded", i.e at least one full copy of what you have downloaded, to reach a 1:1 ratio on that torrent.

Maybe there are other pros and cons concerning overseeding  ?
That's what I wanted to know  

I just found another link where they discuss a lot about it and they have very strict rules in that Forum.
Just maximize "Pedro's warning pic" in the middle of the web page and read their detailed overseeding rules :

hXXp://www.torrent-invites.com/bittorrent-discussion/34671-overseeding-rules.html

Their Pedro's pic is really interesting (I wonder if I should attach it here but I prefer not as it's not GT rules) : please note how they refuse overseeding during 48 hours only (i.e. no ratio > 3 for that fresh torrent, except from the original uploader) then they encourage everybody to start seeding the torrent again...after 48 hours, now I've got it  

And on their page 2, they give examples the way we do, starting with : "Let's say A has 100mbit UL line, B has 10mbit UL and both have 100mbit DL line..."
I like that !

Gee...7 pages of full comments, a user writing this :
"I think the best way to restrict overseeding is be simply not giving upload credit for overseeding. That way the true devoted people can still contribute for free and there would be no problems on the tracker..."

And this : "Of course seeding is a good thing, but what I meant to say is that I believe it's fair to give chance to people with slower upload speeds to return as close to 1.0 as they can as fast as they can. While there is no doubt that better speeds are always welcome, I for one would be prepared to wait a little bit more to get content I want if that can help people without great speeds to maintain good ratio."

@amice:

actually, there is no special explanation for you necessary, as your example was absolutely correct.

I like that, i like that  :cheers:
Coming from you, it means a lot to me, it shows I understood a bit this connectible thing.
I tried to give a full detailed example, indicating exactly the tracker update times, the upload/download speed of the original uploader and the 2 leechers, the exact time when both leechers entered the swarm, the torrent size and the amount uploaded by the original seeder to each leecher, what a mixture !

@amice:

there are more forms of 'bad behavior' on this tracker, not only jumping-on. another flaming problem names over-seeding

Well, now you teach me something new as I didn't know at all what was "over-seeding" and the bad effects it could have on others.
I found a link that may be interesting, with someone asking : "What is overseeding ?"
And the 1st answer given to him was : "Some who overseed make it hard for others to seed back what they've downloaded"

hxxp://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/915839

Hi contra966,
Well if you want me to post my unaltered pending reply, let's do it.
Sorry if it seems a bit rude at times but this are the exact thoughts I had when writing it…yesterday

Hi all,
I don't understand what you mean by "the seeder is offline"
Offline means not connected to GT web site or to GT Forum, and an uploader doesn't need to be online during seeding.

Apparently you mean the seeder is not "connectible" which hasn't the same meaning at all. Even he's not connectible, he will upload to others, but not as much as if he was connectible (in fact, he'll get all new leechers names each 30 min, when he connects to GT tracker each 30 min, and will be able to upload to them only at that time)

@contra966:

What I find troubling about the situation is that some generous leechers had given the uploader a Seedbonus Gift of 390.0 . If they were given as a tip to ensure promptness it seems that was an empty gesture.

They gave him Seedbonus Gift because they saw his download rights were disabled and he is a good uploader, as it can be seen in his profile : he uploaded dozens of torrents these last months. Actually he needs to upload more than 22GB to be able to download anything (as shown in his profile)

Now if his upload speed is slow, as you showed it (6.13 KB/s) , that's the reason why he needs all the credit of his upload. We see in the 2 attached pics that he keeps uploading…at his speed, the point is that he won't be able to upload a full copy of his movie (1.37GB) now that he's not alone anymore as a seeder [updated on january 17 : more than 24 hours after I wrote this post, he uploaded only 1.27Gb of his own movie !] . So I'm glad for him that users gifted him with SBP so he'll be able to upload new torrents. If noone gifted him with SBP because of his slow upload speed, then he'd better stop his downloads and uploads, especially if anyone jumps on his torrents before he uploaded a full copy of it.

@MrMazda:

I think taking a look at the ratio of both the uploader and the jump on seeder is an essential key to take into account. For example, if a user is trying to fix their ratio because of a low ratio warning and a jump on seeder with a ratio of like 6.2 for example jumps on to try and cheat the user out of good and fair ratio, personally, I'd want to punch the jump on in the face. No… I don't condone violence, but sometimes it is nescessary to give users a few light slams every now and then :rotfl:

So in this case :

• the uploader had a ratio problem (download disabled !)
• the uploader had a slow upload speed (6.13Kb/s)
• the jump-on seeder had a fast upload speed (90.84Kb/s)
  Was the "jump-on" acceptable on his torrent when he has his download rights disabled and he tries to fix his ratio ?

Once again, each one sees it his own way, but i'll NEVER jump on any torrent in its initial phase (until it has been snatched by 3-4 users)…except if the original uploader allows it explicitly.
Ok, GT is a sharing site, but it's a sharing site with ratio. There are probably sharing sites without any ratio concern, then of course jump-on wouldn't be an issue on that kind of sites.

@contra966:

Uwe said you lose the kudos of a seed ratio of one. I'll need him to explain that technicality to me.

I hope he'll explain to you, but with your 90KB/s upload speed, compared to the original uploader 6KB/s, if you had jumped on his torrent much earlier than you did ("gladly" you did it when he already uploaded 990Mb), you could have had this result at the moment where 3 or 4 had snatched the torrent :

• he uploaded only 100MB
• you uploaded 1.2GB
  I wonder how he would have been able to recover his download rights if this ever happen (he needs to upload 22GB), in case noone gifts him with SBP.

Now another solution to avoid this problem : unsubscribe users with turtle upload speed !
But I'm not sure at all this radical solution will ever be accepted (and I hate that solution)

So this will be an endless problem as long as there will be no rule, because each one will react his own way. Some Mods or Admins don't want this "jump on" at all, i.e Mgr, Uwe etc…

What do you think of Mgr writing this in one of his precedent post ?

@mgr:

@arthurdent:

I have no problems with others jumping on my torrents. It simply means that others can download faster.

That again depends on a lot of factors. If the "jumping on" one has a good upload speed (like a server based seedbox) that might become disastrous for your upload traffic and thus to your ratio. (unless you decide to seed for a very long time - and that means in the range of several months - not hours  ).

For users it's the same problem : users with fast upload speed won't find it a problem, because they will have less ratio problems than users with slow upload speeds who have to work hard to maintain a decent ratio.

Also, for all those who want to "share the file as fast as possible", why don't you select "Initial Seeding" in all of your uploads (in utorrent) ?
You will upload the file faster (because you won't upload duplicates segments to different users) but you won't increase your ratio as high as you do it now (utorrent help says this : a full copy of the file will need you to upload 105% of the file when you select "Initial Seeding", compared to 150-200% of the file when not selected)

Added on january 17 :
@contra966:

Possibly an easy mistake to confuse the two when looking at snatch details and seeing the green on status and red off status. If I've understood correctly, that red really does mean the user is offline, then its is sad that so many users turn off their machines immediately after leeching their torrent.

No, that green / red light found in all snatched lines has nothing to do with seeding / not seeding the torrent (or turning off their machines)

• Green = the user is actually in GT web site (like me writing this post) . Even if I'm not seeding anything right now, my "green" light appears in all snatched lines from all torrents I downloaded (check yours, you'll notice same, even if you don't seed a torrent you already snatched, you'll notice a green light in your snatch line)

• Red = the user is not in GT web site right now, but you can't tell by this red light in his snatched line that he's not seeding the torrent. Just browse through any recent torrent now, don't you notice many users that just snatched the file have a red light and are also found in seeders lines ?

When I download a torrent at night while sleeping, I close my Browser and turn off the monitor before going to bed (of course utorrent is active and downloading)
As soon as I close my Browser (after having quit GT), all my green lights (in snatched lines, Forum…) will turn to red

During the night, as soon as the leeching ends, I'll be seen in 2 places in the torrent page :

1. In the snatched window...with a "red" light
2. In the seeder window, because the client turns me automatically to "Seeding" as soon as the leeching phase ended.
   So I'll be 100% seeding...even if the light is red in my snatched line.

Hello amice  
Well you'll have to explain me that again please.

Imho, if i'm not connectible and a leecher enters the swarm, I won't be able to upload to him until my client contacts GT tracker after 30min and get his IP, which means meantime that leecher will download from other users.
On the contrary, if I had been connectible, I could have upload to him as soon as he entered the swarm.

I would like to say that I had both experiences as uploader (being not connectible and being connectible), and if I'm not wrong, I noticed my ratio was much better (on fresh torrents that I uploaded) when I was connectible, compared to the uploads I did when not connectible.

Maybe a very simple detailed example could help us ?
Imagine I'm not connectible and my upload speed is 100Kb/s (I wish it was the case lol), which means approx. 6000Kb/min (6Mb/min) => 360Mb/h

At 3pm exactly I upload a new torrent (size 150Mb)

At 3h25min, leecher #1 enters the swarm (leecher #1 has same upload speed as mine, 360Mb/h and his download speed is 3 times faster, for example, 1Gb/h)
As I'm not connectible, leecher #1 will have to wait a few minutes to start his download, until my client contacts the tracker (each 30 min)

At 3h30min (which is 30 min after 3h) , my client contacts the tracker and finds the IP of leecher #1, so I start to upload the movie to him
As the movie is 150Mb size, leecher #1 will grab the whole movie in less than half an hour (my upload speed being of 360Mb/h , i.e. 180Mb/ 30min)

At 3h31min, leecher #2 enters the swarm : let's say his upload and download speed are same as leecher #1
As I'm not connectible, I won't upload a single byte to leecher #2 until my client contacts GT tracker (next cycle will happen at 4pm)
But during these 29 min (between 3h31 and 4h), leecher #2 will be able to download the whole movie…from leecher #1 (leecher #2 should be able to download 150Mb in 29min, theorically speaking)

At 4h, my client contacts the tracker, finds the IP of leecher #2, but as leecher #2 got the whole movie (from leecher #1), I won't upload anything more

So in the end, how much did I upload when I was not connectible ?
I uploaded exactly 100% of the movie (150Mb), which is a full copy, and not a single byte more.

Now if I had been connectible, things would have been very different :

At 3h31, when leecher #2 joined the swarm, I would have been able to immediately upload to him, which means I would have uploaded to both leechers same time (knowing that leechers 1 & 2 also upload/download from each other)

And how much would have been able to upload to both leechers same time ?
Utorrent help file answers this question (and self experience really confirms it) :
"With normal seeding methods, the initial seeder typically has to upload 150% to 200%, or even more, of the original data in before a full copy of the data has been distributed into the swarm."

That is why, imho, the connectibility issue has a real effect on the amount uploaded. In my example :

• Not connectible => 150Mb uploaded (a full copy of the movie to leecher #1)
• Connectible => 225Mb uploaded (at least)  because duplicates segments of the file would be sent to both leechers (as "initial seeding" is not selected)

But I'm not an expert at all in torrents (when you are), so if something is wrong in my example, please correct it and enlight us, we're just poor ignorant sinners in this complicated torrent world