@mgr:
…Of course you are right: jumping on a new upload is extremely unfair too!
Hi Mgr,
Thx for your concern, I know (and you wrote it) that you don't like at all this "jumping on" situation, same for all Mods here. I PM both users, and a kind Mod did same from helpdesk.
Mgr, in your answer, you're writing : "which mainly rely on "denunciation"
But denunciation is when you can't prove anything and you make something public by giving only names.
Now if you got the proof in your hand (as the attached pic you will find at the end of this message, though I greyed their both names because we're on the Forum) and if this proof goes to Admins and Mods (as I sent this pic to the helpdesk…with users names showing of course), it's not denunciation for me.
The only way to catch "jump on" users is in real time, while the torrent is uploaded until it has been snatched 3-4 times.
If the concerned uploader doesn't do it, who will do it and alert Mods ?
Because if nothing is done, a user who jumps on once will do it again and again : he doesn't prepare anything (the pics, description, torrent...) and takes all credit and ratio that was supposed to go to the original uploader, it is BAD
Mods don't have time to control from time to time the torrent search window, in case they find a new torrent with 2-3 seeders, when the Snatched column shows 0 : this could be a jump on torrent and it should be immediately controlled.
Anyway, before I paste here what I wrote in my PM to both "jump on" users, and the reply I got from one of them, I would like to say that something has to be done about this situation : personnaly I just did 2 tries to avoid this situation so no one will be able to "jump on" my future new torrents uploads. First try wasn't really successful but 2nd try was more promising : I feel that you won't like this 2nd method but if I have to keep on uploading torrents with a clear mind and not track jump-on users until my torrent has been snatched by 3-4 users, ending in deleting my own torrent after a few minutes because of jump-on users, then I'll use this 2nd method.
From blackdid to both "jump-on" users
Hi xxx,
Why you and yyy jump on my torrent after 5 min I start a new upload ?
[Alphamale] Pumped And Fucked (2010)
You force me to delete it immediately because I don't want you and yyy to take credit of my torrent.
Now I placed a message in the Forum, took a real time pic of your 2 names as "jump on" seeders and certainly Staff will ask me that pic.
It's not fair at all to jump on new uploads :
- You don't let me upload a whole copie of the torrent
- You use my preparation (especially the pics preparation, the description), i.e all my work to prepare.
- As my upload speed is low, I won't gain nothing in the end
- It's very impolite.
The RULE is : if you already got the movie (as you had) you can join as seeder only when there are 3-4 users who downloaded the movie totally (i.e. the original uploader, me, was able to upload at least a whole copy of the movie). If they are at least 3-4 who snatched the torrent and 3-4 seeders, then you can add yourself as seeder and jump on a torrent, in case you already got a full copy of the movie.
But with your jump-on (and yyy who did same as you), maybe in the end I upload 20% of the movie, and you 40% and yyy 40%, depending on our respective upload speed.
Especially my upload speed is maximum 28Kb/s !
I hope you understand the situation and never do it again
Thx
blackdid
Reply from user xxx to blackdid
Hi my dear friend.
Yes, i know the rules. Let me tell you two things:
- When i start upload, its already been seeded by 3 users.
- Take a look in my upload list. Most of my files have been "jumped on" by a infinite number of members of GT. I make contact with the mods and i was informed that nothing could be done. Like a infinite number of uploads, i take a look at the number of seeders before start upload. Im sorry if you're been offended, my intention its not take your credit, its help with upload, just if. Like i said, I've gone through this before.
My best regards.
xxx
2nd PM from blackdid to xxx
Hi xxx
Thx for your reply
Here are 2 links :
(here a link of the attached pic, but showing their both names)
You notice in the precedent pic that :
- It was seeded by 2 users (including me) and not 3 users as you wrote in your reply
- What is more important is this when you write : "I take a look at the number of seeders before start upload"
But you're mistaken in doing that because there are 2 very different situations :
- If it's a NEW torrent (as it is in the pic), you have to take a look at the number of users who SNATCHED the torrent (i.e who downloaded it completely from me)
What do you see in the pic ?
You see that ZERO users have snatched the torrent, which means that nobody has downloaded the movie from me at the moment the pic is taken !
In that case, you and yyy know exactly what you are doing (jumping on) when you add yourself as seeders, and this is very bad because you both will take all the credit instead of me (i.e you won't allow me to upload a full copy of the movie, which isn't acceptable at all)
- If it is an OLD torrent, then you will see many users who already SNATCHED the torrent
Then there is absolutely no problem to add yourself as seeder, no matter if you already got a full copy of the movie.
(here a link of the thread we are now)
This is the Forum link I opened as I was so angry of this situation, you will see Mgr's anwer (he's one of the 2 Admins of the site) and though he can't technically stop it, he doesn't like this situation at all as you will read him
You write : "Most of my files have been "jumped on" by a infinite number of members of GT"
No I don't think so, what you mean is, after your downloaders have got their copy from your new upload, they start to seed it and you are many seeders : this is the NORMAL way in torrents, many seeders who seed the same file after they download it from the original uploader !!!
It happens with me all the time and it's 100% normal.
What is NOT normal, is to add yourself as seeder when there is ZERO snatcher like in the attached pic : this means you already had a full copy of the movie when you added yourself as seeder.
In case you want to do that, you have to verify how many persons SNATCHED the torrent ?
If you find there are 3-4 then you can add yourself as seeder because you will know that the original uploader was able to upload a full copy of his torrent to these 3-4 users, and probably in a few seconds there will be many other seeders (because other users have certainly downloaded already 97-98% of the file)
In case this is not very clear, don't hesitate to ask more or to reply in the Forum : all Mods or Mgr will confirm you what I wrote now
Merry Christmas xxx,
blackdid
Mgr, Mods, in case I wrote some wrong technical info to user xxx, please let us know so we'll improve our knowledge.
Thanks