(i don't place this message in the "Support & Guides/How To's" because this jump-on during initial new upload should probably be forbidden)
Hi all,
I had a bad experience this morning while uploading a new torrent :
http://tracker.gaytorrent.ru/details.php?id=86095
The pics found at the end of this post will explain you the problem, let's detail them one by one :
- pic1 - why dennysung is 2nd seeder.jpg
This pic shows the movie size (550MB) and the time i started to seed it (7h21)
As my upload speed is limited to 28KB/s (100MB/h) then it should have taken me about 5h30min to seed the full movie, and I should have been the only seeder during those 5h30
Unfortunately, as you will notice in the pic, another user (named dennysung) jumped on my torrent and the pic shows we are both seeders, when other leechers have 62% of the file, he's a seeder with 100% at 9h36, with a much better upload speed as mine (this isn't too difficult) and he uploaded hundred of MB instead of me uploading them.
Question : how could he be a seeder in such a short time, when I didn't upload the whole movie ?
Answer : because he already had the same full movie on his computer.
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pic2 - dennysung profile.jpg
As I guessed, his profile shows the time where he was last seen (8h39, about 1 hour after i started to upload)
And his upload speed shows 79KB/s (it will increase to 96KB/s in other pics I could show them too), that's why he has 5 allowed torrents in his profile.
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pic3 - ratio 0.896 with 92 seeders!.jpg
In this 3rd pic, you notice there are already 92 seeders and I still didn't upload the whole file, incredible but true !
I uploaded only 492MB (out of 549) and the µTorrent ratio in the right column shows 0.896, which isn't normal (it must have been > 1 , probably 1.5 or more when there are already 92 seeders)
I know GT doesn't like at all this jump-on during initial uploads and Uwe (Mod and great teacher too) clearly explained the whole process in another topic, here is what he wrote on September 2 :
@Uwe:
…The point is, that [user xxx] wants to join seeding (jump-on / re-seed), means uploading, on torrents of which he got already the complete data (movie) file. He won't download any data, but become immediately an additional seeder to the Original Poster. Any unique piece of data an early jump-on seeder (re-seeder) will upload will be lost to the Original Uploader. That can be a lot, if the jump-on seeder got a much higher upload rate than the original poster. So in your example it could mean that the member who made the torrent and uploaded it uploads 20% and the jump-on seeder 80% of the 560 MB (depends on both upload rates). So the harm to the initial uploader is there and can be huge. That is clearly something we do not like to see!
Ok but unfortunately we saw it right now and it's NOT the 1st time it happens to me (it's the 2nd time, but I can't be sure if it was dennysung the 1st time, but well… ok i'm not sure who it was the 1st time)
I was about to PM dennysung at 9h30 but I thought it would be a better idea to alert HelpDesk in case they catch him doing it "live", then to explain it fully here.
Btw, I notice he's earned the "Auto Approval" privilege (just like I did recently) . Though "AA" has nothing to do with this jump-on issue (even a simple User could do same if he got the right movie), I thought being "AA" means you have to respect rules even more and double check everything, and if GT allows you to be AA, then you should really consider to be regular and honest in everything you do on GT
Imho, jumping on a new torrent is not regular at all (unfortunately there is no GT rule concerning this issue) : if i were in his place and got the movie after another user uploaded it, I'd NEVER have jumped on his torrent : the initial uploader took TIME to prepare 15 pics (yes it takes time if you want to choose the ones you want correctly and with big size), the description, the torrent preparation and all the rest, so it's very unfair (and impolite) to jump on someone's else torrent and grab hundreds of MB that don't belong to you.
If I were in his place, I would have left the torrent untouched (no jump-on during initial upload phase) until there are at least 3-4 seeders then only I would consider jumping on it. Well I guess each one sees it in his own way, but I'll never do that to any uploader.
I guess someone should tell him to come read all this : only you Mods and Admins know the better way to solve this kind of issue. If you want me to PM him i'll do it, if you want to do something else, just let us know.
Have a great week-end everybody