@raphjd said in NY School Principal Urges Parents To Become ‘White Abolitionists’ With Propaganda Graphic:
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Whataboutisms are valid. Just ask Democrats for the next 4 years.
You totally ignored my point, intentionally.
Wealthy blacks get affirmative action, while we ignore poor white boys. Only racists (aka liberals) believe that is ok.
It's not just in WV. I used WV as an example.
What-about-ism's are disqualifying in debate. It's "changing the focus" of the discussion.
And your argument that Democrats will do it over the next 4-years is, in itself, a what-about-ism! (Circular logic, anyone?)
To briefly address that point, though: YES, they are certainly going to pull that shit - politicians on all sides have become adept at it, because it works! At least it works with the masses..., but that doesn't mean that smart people won't see through it!
Still, as I said above: comparing wealthy blacks to poor whites to try to highlight racial inequities is apples and oranges.... unless you're inferring that the wealthy blacks shouldn't be allowed to create wealth so long as there are still poor whites! But that would be racist and moronic... so, I'm glad that's NOT the point you're making... right?
As for affirmative action, you need to get out of your echo chamber once in a while. Your ideas about it appear to be highly skewed.
So you know, I, a middle-income, middle-aged, white man have benefited from affirmative-action set-asides: in my case, small-business set-aside government contracts!
There is no way I could compete against the huge companies that would normally gobble up all of the Government contracts... but the Government sets aside some of the smaller of those contracts and INSISTS that ALL competitors for those set-aside contracts be "certified small businesses".
To qualify to BID on these contracts, you have to meet certain criteria - and SOME (though, certainly not all... mot even a majority) of the "seats at the table" (that is, some of the companies that get certified) have a fast-track to getting there by being minority-owned. (There are also affirmative-action "seats" for Veterans & women)...
But, to paraphrase the great Paul Harvey, you don't know the Rest of the Story!
Once you get the seat at that table (that is, once you qualify as a certified small business), you still have to BID on the contracts that the Government brings to you... and you have to WIN - based on your competence, price, and other factors... factors that are germane to the contract, not race, gender, or other superfluous information!
Mind you, AT THAT POINT, there is nothing in your BID that identifies you as a small black-owned, or veteran-owned, or woman-owned) business. The bids don't include the identity of the bidder! The Government picks the winner, then "unveils" who submitted that bid.
The point is, affirmative action may set-aside a few seats at the table for blacks, or hispanics, or veterans, or women... but those are not ALL of the seats. You also STILL have to qualify, and more importantly, you still have to WIN the bidding!
But focusing on the front-end is a waste of time... these small-business set-asides still have to perform! I have WON re-bids on contracts because the original bidder didn't perform! The Government doesn't award 5-year contracts: they award 1-year contracts with 4 possible renewals of 1-year each! You don't perform, and you get replaced! Lose too many contracts that way and you also lose your "seat at the table"...
A lot of people look at college admissions. Most stupidly focus on the Ivy League schools - because that's where the wealthy white "legacy" parents get butt-hurt (to borrow @raphjd 's term) when their little Johnny Junior, with his private tutors, coaches, and counselors with a solid 3.5GPA from his "competitive private school"... lost out to a black kid from the ghetto who had 2 jobs, no tutors, no counselors, and a similar 3.4GPA from some low-income public school...
The same thing happens at high-end schools. You get there, sure! You were a super-star in High School! But now you're competing against nothing-but other super-stars! And you excel in that competition, or you're out! There are plenty of 1st year rejects and also-rans waiting to transfer in Sophomore year!
Case in point: in my freshman orientation at Ga Tech, they sat us in a room in groups of 5 in rows of 20 total... and they were quite blunt:
- 2 of you in your section.. EVERY section... will not be here for your Sophomore year.
- A third will transfer to another school before their Senior year.
- That leaves just 2 of you in your section that will graduate...
Now, look across... in your entire row, only 8 of you will make it to graduation at Tech at all... but 5 of you will have changed majors. And, finally, only TWO of you - on the entire row - will actually graduate in exactly 4 years... the rest will take longer. There will be obstacles. There will be winners and losers.
The situation at other high-tier colleges and universities is the same, or even harsher! It's hard to get in - with or without set-asides (you call it affirmative action)... but it's harder still to stay in!
There are ALWAYS winners and losers in life. If everyone gets a medal, the value of that medal is diminished. (How many kids of the 80's and 90's kept their participation trophies? Kids from the 50's and 60's kept those trophies on their mantle to show their kids...and grandkids! Kids from the 80's and 90's tossed them - and in many cases, also tossed their REAL trophies - because their meaning was diminished... diluted.)
There is a need to give others a "seat at the table" - to provide a way to compete in the marketplace. There will always be a need to provide SOME set-asides for some group or another. This is reality, not a board game!