@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@bi4smooth Exactly. Which means that you are the first HUMAN trial and the guinea pig! Congratulations. It's already killed thousands. And the number is growing.
If it does kill thousands, but saves billions - I think that's a reasonable trade-off in scientific terms!
But you do you... eschew the masks, decline the vaccines!
COVID-19 may not KILL you... but your risks are a LOT higher than mine!
@manhandler said in Keep that mask on your face you dirty human.:
@bi4smooth No that's what you're doing. You're saying that American Nationalism is Fascist by nature. You are the one conflating the two, I'm the one pointing out that Nationalism isn't fascist by nature. There's a difference. When Chinese Nationalism - is brought into the conversation, Nationalism in the way that you describe it loses the profundity you associated with it. Why don't you just be more specific in what you're really trying to say. Why don't you just be honest. You MEAN to say, straight white men are Hitler. You're just being very sneaky in the way you go about it.
I don't claim Trumism is Nationalist - I claim it is a cult of personality, and that it meets all of the criteria to be Nationalist Fascism.
The 2 words go together to mean something more specific than either of them alone.
@manhandler said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth And you've proven over multiple messages that you aren't discussing the topic, that there was a double digit fraudulent count of ballots. When a pallet of ballots says there are 500 ballots inside this box, and there's only 350, or there's 650, something is off, and your side sent hundreds of lawyers to shut down finding out what exactly was "off." Why it was 650 instead of 500. "We need to shut that down." No. We are not going to stop until we find out WHY. So get over it.
Look - the AZ Republican Party runs the Secretary of State's office there... they did their own audit (with Republican and Democrat witnesses).
BUT, as I've stated before... let's say you find 5million missing ballots in AZ, all of which are marked for Trump... there is nothing in our Constitution that allows for the Electoral College to re-vote. The Electoral College of 2020 met, voted (in mostly videotaped fashion), and the new President was inaugurated! It is a fait accompli!
The ONLY thing you can do to get Biden out of the White House now is:
Under no feasible way - other than the 2024 election - will Donald Trump be returned to the White House as President!
This is a waste of time and a fantasy! All to support a cult of personality that is Donald Trump - still working to become the undisputed worst President in US History!
@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@bi4smooth No what you're proposing is upside down world. It has killed lots of people, and it's on record.
If you had the ability to comprehend timelines and science, I'd bother to try to explain it to you again... but I'll just say again... these COVID-19 vaccines are the first of their kind... EVER.
@manhandler said in Keep that mask on your face you dirty human.:
@bi4smooth Yes well your argument falls to pieces because China is pure nationalist.
Nationalist yes, but Nationalism is not the same as Racism... you sure can conflate different topics, can't you...
@manhandler said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth No you need to put it in your own words.
You're too lazy to actually read what I write anyway... you've proven that over multiple threads!
@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@bi4smooth You are delusional. It has killed more people than all vaccines combined in the last ten years.
The mRNA vaccines have not killed anyone! While there have been some deaths that occurred shortly after the vaccine, there is no known link to the nRNA vaccines, and - more importantly - those deaths fall well within what statisticians say would be expected of people IN GENERAL of the ages that were getting the earliest doses of the mRNA vaccines.
But - and I know this is a bit harsh - if you want to eschew the new mRNA vaccines, I'm all for it! The faster your ilk die off from unprotected COVID-19, and soon (as-in 10-15 years) a multitude of other mRNA related treatments (not all will be technically vaccines), the better off the country will be as a whole. This is Darwinism at its core!
I want to be clear here: I don't wish any one person ill, and truly wish all could be helped... but when people refuse the treatments and die - essentially by their own hand - well, that's the Darwin effect! Survival of the fittest and the smartest!
Check out the annual Darwin Awards - given (posthumously) to people in sincere gratitude for actively removing their flawed DNA from the Human Genome!
@manhandler said in Keep that mask on your face you dirty human.:
@bi4smooth Trump is a God in a sense... You may not worship him, but he represents a powerful force that speaks and has billions. It's not going away if Trump goes away. It's here to stay, and so is nationalism, which is not fascism. Especially compared to nations like China where you're only allowed to be one race.
My British friends - who married Chinese women and became Chinese citizens - would be surprised to hear that their race was illegal in China... hmmm... maybe you've been reading too much propaganda!
Let me be clear - I would NEVER become a citizen of another country! We have our problems - and more today than in most of my lifetime, including the Cuban Missile Crisis! But I would never "abandon" my country for another. I might live abroad, but I'm an American - for good and/or bad! I'll work to make it better, but I'll never abandon her!
I also have little "love" for the Chinese Government... but if you ever get a chance to travel the world, you'll see that in most places, the people are NOT reflective of their Governments...
Whites (and blacks - you should investigate just how much China is INVESTING in Africa! And in doing so, supplanting the US as the "major power" with the most influence in the region!) are not illegal in China. But their country was "closed" for much of the early Industrial Revolution in the West - and as a result, their population is more "pure" in a racial sense... but at least according to my friends, they are NOT racist.... at least nowhere NEAR the racism you see in the US!
@manhandler said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth Can you demonstrate what you just stated in more detail so that we can fact check it ourselves?
Start reading non-US news accounts... Try some of these:
I also read translated news from the Middle East and Japan...
@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@bi4smooth Uh, no. You don't seem to know anything about it. It has actually been studied, coronavirus vaccines, and it was decided in 2012 by a Fauci funded program in Galveston, TX Level 4 lab that it was too dangerous to pursue a Coronavirus vaccine.
You're an idiot - plain and simple. You simply cannot read and understand the English Language.
They may very well have been researching coronavirus vaccines in 2012... but what we have today? This ain't that!
The entire company Moderna is a play on the name of the NEW technology... this COVID-19 vaccine is the FIRST they've EVER produced for human consumption! EVER! (Moderna... Modified RNA... Mod-RNA) - and they have a partnership with Pfizer, so both companies were able to produce their own versions of this mRNA vaccine separately, but using the same NEW technology.
The mRNA vaccine doesn't use dead virus, or DNA implanted into other viruses like the "old" vaccines do...
This is new shit... and it's worked AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE better than they even HOPED it would!
The success of the Moderna and Pfizer mRNA vaccines is a positive sign for many other uses of this technology - including vaccines for HIV, HepC, an "unified" Flu vaccine, many forms of cancer... the list is truly endless! This is to modern vaccines what Salk's Polio vaccine technology was to the 1950's medical immunology field!
@manhandler said in Keep that mask on your face you dirty human.:
@bi4smooth Here you go again starting off with those flawed statements in the very beginning, meaning I can't read anything else past the first sentence. You start out talking like you are a Republican Speaker, trying to twist their words around. And sure they do a little but how come you never mention any democrat scandal? EVER? When there's literally one every day.
I'd love to talk about the massive inflation Biden is leading us into... but who can get a word in edgewise when all anyone wants to talk about is Trump Trump Trump!
The border is a mess... the VP (who was "put in charge") is trying to pretend it doesn't exist anymore... I think she's supposed to be "flitting about" the country talking about infrastructure these days... infrastructure like... welfare programs, healthcare, and social safety-net infrastructure... not like planes, trains, & automobiles infrastructure!
The $6 (almost $7) TRILLION dollar budget is a .... I don't even KNOW the word for it... a disaster is so underwhelming for how awful, scary, and harmful it is!
There's plenty of BAD on the Democrat side... but as long as you/we continue to let Trump suck all the air out of the room, we'll never be able to discuss it!
@manhandler said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth "Yes if it'll get Trump back into office." Is your delusional... propaganda... to put a false assumption in the minds of the people. You are engaging in disinformation. You are putting words in people's mouths, which is ok to a degree if the way you're interpreting it is correct. But the way you interpret it is not. You're just wrong.
Yup - the German media (who is following this mess) altered the video of the people being interviewed!
Of course, they're colluding with the Democrats and other elected Republicans to make Trump look bad... yeah... that's the ticket!
This is why the playbooks from the 1930's won't work in the long run today... it's not just about what people say happened... it's on video!
@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@bi4smooth Yes and you're the guinea pig, for a thing that already had deadly effects on 100% of the ferrets and other animals they tried a coronavirus vaccine on in 2012 and 2005. Meaning they already tried Coronavirus vaccines in the past and decided it was too dangerous, because 100% of the animals died, many right away, but most withing two years tops. 100%
Those are interesting statistics... because the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine is the FIRST of its kind! The research is new! It's based on research that's trying to make an HIV vaccine, and they just thought it might work for COVID-19... and since it's mRNA based, the safety was pretty much assured. (The "side effects" like blood clots, etc. have mostly been from the Johnson vaccine - which is NOT an mRNA vaccine).
So... either you're talking about different vaccines from the 20-teens, or you're talking out of your ass... I'd hazard a guess, but... nah... I'm sure you already know...
@manhandler said in Keep that mask on your face you dirty human.:
@bi4smooth Sorry but everything you just said is demonstrably false and you are living in lala land and cannot answer.
Yup - it's all a conspiracy! Google is changing definitions of terms so as to make Trump look bad.
198 countries around the world have been falsely reporting COVID-19 numbers, solely to make Trump look bad.
As I've said in another thread... I'm stating facts, not trying to convince you of anything. You're as unlikely to be persuaded that you're wrong as an elephant is unlikely to scuba-dive! You're so deep into this conspiracy-laden belief system, you'll never come out... even if Trump himself came out and said "Look, it was all a lie - I'm sorry, I should have just accepted my loss and come back in 2024" - you wouldn't believe it! You'd claim it was an imposter!
Another term to lookup - and then look in the mirror: Cult of Personality
@jsl76 said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@jsl76 said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
Flynn himself repudiates what's been ascribed to him: https://news.yahoo.com/michael-flynn-denies-suggesting-myanmar-220150348.html
Flynn says he didn't mean it - and I trust him in that (though if you watch the video, there isn't much to walk back... which is to say, he doesn't give himself much "wiggle room"... he's pretty blatantly calling for a military coup!)...
My outrage isn't so much with him (tho it is to a lesser extent), it is with the crowd's reaction - in full, enthusiastic support of a military coup because they lost an election!
I'm using this term in another topic, but it's apropos here as well - this is Nationalist Fascism! \
Self-delusional, and dangerous!
Have you ever actually attended a political rally? I have. I'm a member of my county's GOP executive committee in Michigan. When the crowd gets riled up, you could literally yell "hot dogs made from aborted babies cause hemorrhoids" and the people would be like, "right on, right on." Left or Right. I don't get worked up about what happens in political theater. Half the time, no one knows what they're cheering about, anyway.
"Nationalist fascism" is redundant. Fascism is, by definition, nationalist. But if you think the GOP is fascist, you're on crack. Apart from a handful of legit neo-Nazi groups on the far fringes, there's no fascism in the U.S. Abusing the term for political shits and giggles is morally reprehensible and intellectually dishonest.
Nazi Fascism was also Nationalist... true, and while the Nazi's were also a cult of personality focused on the infallibility of Hitler, I don't put Trump in the same boat as Hitler (Honestly, Hitler was smarter - politically - and more ruthless).
I do not believe the Republican Party is Fascist - at least not MY Republican Party! (Yes, I'm a registered Republican)... but that doesn't mean Trump himself - and his followers - aren't Fascists...
But there is a difference between Nationalist Fascism and simple Fascism... and Trump meets the definition of the former... to a T!
Also, I've been to many a political rally, and yes I've been at rallys where a speaker said something stupid and the crowd initially started to cheer - but then pulled back. There was no pull-back at Flynn's speach... indeed, when some participants were interviewed afterwards and asked if they supported the idea of a Military Coup against the US Government, the most common reply was akin to "Yes, if it'll get President Trump back into power!" - that's scary... and not in a halloween or roller-coaster kind of scary... that's "there's a bomb on the plane" scary!
@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@bi4smooth Well, I think you don't have much time left... You're part of the borg now.
LOL - I have that microscopic chip in me now! It'll control my mind and thoughts and feelings forever more!
Nevermind they still can't control a car with a computer the size of a oversize carry-on bag!
The time may come when they can implant something in you to control you... but that time isn't today, and it's not even close to being today.
There will be self-flying cars that will take you anywhere you want to go - for free - by then! LOL
@manhandler said in Keep that mask on your face you dirty human.:
@bi4smooth In your dreams. Trump isn't fascist at all. If he was he'd be in the white house like Hitler right now. But he's not a fascist, and he stepped aside so stop acting like he's oppressing you or something. It's totally fake... Your little act...
Hitler was a fascist. So was Mussolini - indeed, many say he was the template from which Hitler drew his own fascist ideals! But so was Austria's Dollfuß, Brasil's Getúlio Vargas... and many more. It's not like Fascism is new - or even was new last century!
It's in-part the "cult of personality" that makes Trump a fascist... but if you think I expected you to open your eyes and recognize the error of your ways, you're even more delusional than I thought! LOL No, you'll believe Trump really DID win - because to admit otherwise will be to admit you've been a fool - until the day you die! And no facts - true or otherwise - will EVER dissuade you from that belief, because you'll never - EVER - admit you could have been so badly fooled.
@manhandler said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth No, the Republicans were in control and allowed these machines. They simply don't want that fact out. It is what it is. Don't act like I'm being stabbed in the back by someone I already knew was a traitor. I didn't vote for that jackass. You act like when a Republican is busted for being a two faced hypocrite that it's worse than when a Democrat does it.
No, but I don't think massive numbers of Republican Secretaries of State all over the country colluded to "steal" the election from Trump, either!
Will there be discrepancies? Sure! Will they exceed 1%? Unlikely... indeed, I think that's what the delay is... they can't find ENOUGH "wiggle room" to make it so that Trump actually wins! LOL - and they'll keep on looking until the money runs out! Nothing like a bunch of lawyers to burn through money until it's ALL gone! Just ask anyone whose ever been in a DIVORCE! LOL
Personally, I think it was aliens... I think the AZ re-counters should be looking for non-human DNA on those ballots!
@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@bi4smooth And.. we've escaped the discussion that half the CDC and NIH have refused the vax. The vax has been banned in many nations for blood clots and other neurodegenerative problems. Why won't HALF the CDC and NIH take the VAX? Those guys telling us that it's safe and effective?
I have to admit, I'm not a big fan of the older-tech vaccines... their efficacy rates are 50/50-ish, when compared to the mRNA based vaccines (whose efficacy is over 95%).
Saying you're pro-Vaccine for COVID-19 is like saying you're pro-car... there are so many to choose from (3 in the US, 2 in India, 1 each in Russia and China, and a half-dozen or so more made in other countries)... but only 2 use the mRNA technology: Moderna & Pfizer.
I'm thankful that I got the Pfizer in Jan/Feb - thanks to a Federal program (inherited from the Trump Administration!)
@manhandler said in Keep that mask on your face you dirty human.:
@bi4smooth That is totally wrong. It's your side that's terrible. You don't even prove anything you just make wild accusations like "Trump is Satan!!! Because... OBVIOYUSLY!!!" You're ridiculous.
Trump isn't satan... I actually don't even believe in satan...
Thanks for putting words into my mouth... sadly, I reject them... I'll keep my own words, thank you...
Trump is a Nationalist Fascist! Pure and simple... he meets the tests! (and scores remarkably highly! I'm sure he'd be proud of himself!)