Posts made by alibix

@raphjd:

Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.

And you still deny what that says.    :blink:

WOW, just WOW.  :crazy2:

Anyway, as I have repeatedly said, you don't notice SJWs because they fit perfectly in your echo chamber and match your confirmation bias.

You see black people forcing white to walk through a creek to get to class and you think; too fucking right, crackers need to learn to obey black people, nuttin' wrong wit dat.

What the fuck? I REPEATED that quote to you. When did I deny it?

Now you spout some bullshit I never said. Jesus fucking christ.

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/17/you-can-be-fined-for-not-calling-people-ze-or-hir-if-thats-the-pronoun-they-demand-that-you-use/?utm_term=.7d65728780c7

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/cchr/law/legal-guidances-gender-identity-expression.page

New York City fines (up to $250,000 per violation) for refusal to use any personal pronoun a person wants to use.   Of course, it covers other things as well, but the most recent change was about bathrooms and personal pronouns and names. .

So where is the person who has been fined for using the incorrect pronoun?

Also, I can't believe you won't accept that you're over exaggerating the fuck out of the C-16 Bill but let's agree to disagree because it's clear that you'll never change your mind on this.

I wonder if you wake up in cold shivers at night thinking of the purple haired 'Zes' and 'Zers' kicking down your door and cutting of the tongues of however dares to not say the right pro noun. That's probably a bit extreme but hey, the internet tells me that western society is being burnt down by syrian refugees, crazy feminists, SJWs, people from tumblr, black lives matter etc so what do I fucking know?

C-16 hasn't passed yet, so of course, you no one can be punished under it.

HOWEVER, I did show that NYC made it illegal to use the wrong personal pronouns.    Funny how you are still acting like it's all made up despite me linking the webpage that spells it out.

I'm not saying it's made up ffs stop staying shit I DIDN'T SAY.

I asked you to show me where people where fined for this NYC law? Who was fined for not calling someone by the correct pronoun?

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.

That is what you said.

Where in that statement do yo admit they exist?   Nowhere.

You want people to think SJWs only exist in the minds of those that complain about them.

What? So I have to admit everything exists before I talk about them? Where did you admit that Trump exists? Nowhere.

This is ridiculous. Stop making strawmen to argue against because I never said SJWs exist. It's really not that hard man.

Seriously, go back through the various threads we've talked about this in.   If you are honest, you have portrayed SJWs are mythical beasts that only exist in the minds of the evil right's minds.

I peronally saw Trump years ago while I was in Atlantic City.      He was about 15 feet away from me, as he walked by.

And I've personally met many Americans over the years despite living in the the UK and Ireland. Who gives a fuck. That isn't my argument.

What you are doing is arguing against a strawman. I never said SJWs didn't exist, yet you keep arguing against me as if I did. In fact, my original post very much acknowledged their existence on the internet. And I just asked if anyone has met an SJW (which holy fuck triggered you a lot) - I NEVER said SJWs didn't exist. What is so difficult to understand here?

Go back and re-read that bit I quoted from you, along with some of your other statements.

I have. And I still never said those words.

@raphjd:

@royalcrown89:

The last thing I'll say on this topic is some of you need to learn what false equivalence means. If I bring up slavery or Jim Crow and the effects those two still have on black life in today's world and your response is "two black people booed Bernie Sanders off stage," then you are comparing a man being booed to the effects of hundreds of years of constant degradation of an entire population of people by another population of people who had more rights than the population being degraded. Slavery and the Jim Crow era were very, very complex. You had freed black people buying and selling slaves sometimes to reunite families torn apart and sometimes for malicious reasons; Native Americans involved with the capturing of runaway slaves in order to keep parts of the land stolen from them; and many other complicated instances involved; therefore, you cannot compare slavery or Jim Crow to someone's hurt feelings. You simply cannot compare hurt feelings to the literal death and second-class treatment of an entire population of people that has had long-lasting effects on said population of people. That is what I have been calling disgusting, and it is disgusting. You can only equivocate mass discrimination, mass murder and the degradation of a people to mass discrimination, mass murder and the degradation of another population of people. If you have nothing to equivocate that with, then what exactly is the point of your argument? Is it to deflect and try to end important discussions that we need to have?

LOL, you just don't get it do you?!

Blacks have the privilege to tell Bernie Sanders to "shut the fuck up" and demand that he pander to their whims, without fear of reprisal because if they got into trouble, it would be a racist issue.   Bernie is a jew, look it up.

Blacks have the privilege of doing many things that would get whites arrested if the races where reversed, like forcing white students to walk through a creek to go to class.

The rest of your post is a bunch of racial studies apologetics bullshit.

You are not interested in any discussion, you are only interested in forcing your racist SJW version of reality on everyone.

You are comparing a protest to Sanders and a one off student protest in a University (which white people participated in) to fucking Jim Crow and Black supremacy?

What the fuck man?

@gaypraha2:

I dont have much to say but I approve 200% everything raphjd said. I guess most of us europeans have clearly a different view on the matter. and seriously the first post stating that " there is no white culture"..feel sick just reading that kind of crap That's all I'll say on the matter, seems to be a waste of time to argue with some  ;D

what country are you from in Europe? Why can't it be English pride, Italian pride, Greek pride etc etc. Why white pride?

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

So blacks who don't have a family history of being a slave are hate mongers if they claim black pride.

Slavery in Africa and the middle east existed long before white people got there and kept going even to this day despite it being illegal in white countries.

Africans played an active part in the slave trade.

There were black slave owners in North America and Europe.

I'm talking about black pride in America. Black people who came from africa as slaves to America which is most black people in the USA.

Umm, there were black slave owners in the US.    The earliest recorded black slave owners in now what is the US dates back to 1654, though historians say they existed before that.  According to the US Census of 1830, there were 3,775 black slave owners.   The slave owners were black.

Anthony Johnson, a former indentured servant, was among the very first slave owners in what is now the US.  He fought in court to retain ownership of his indentured servants when their servitude ended and won.

Native Americans owned African slaves, as well.

So slavery wasn't a white only thing.

Did I say it was? This is whatbaoutism on a new fucking level.

@raphjd:

So blacks who don't have a family history of being a slave are hate mongers if they claim black pride.

Slavery in Africa and the middle east existed long before white people got there and kept going even to this day despite it being illegal in white countries.

Africans played an active part in the slave trade.

There were black slave owners in North America and Europe.

I'm talking about black pride in America. Black people who came from africa as slaves to America which is most black people in the USA.

"A common and seemingly reasonable argument for white pride or white nationalism is "why can't I be proud of my culture?"
Well, you can. Always have been able to. We have Irish pride celebrations, we have German drinking festivals, we have Serbian food festivals. Any European culture you can think of has multiple organizations in North America dedicated to taking pride in their heritage and NO ONE gives them shit for it.
But, you see, when you start talking "white pride", that's not a culture. That's a skin colour. There is no white culture, never was. There is no pan-European culture, never was. Europe is a continent, not a culture or ethnicity.
Now, some of you are probably about to go "But wait! Black pride! How is that okay?" Well, easy. Go find a black person and ask them if their ancestors were slaves. When you find one who says "yes", proceed to ask them "what country in Africa were your ancestors from?" Do you know what their answer will probably be? "I don't know." This is because their culture was taken from them. It was beaten out of them. They were enslaved, Christianized, and then white washed. The one unifying feature they have as a people is that history of slavery and that history of being black. They can't have Liberian pride, or Congolese pride, or "insert African country" pride because they have no fucking idea where their ancestors came from other than the broad region of West Africa.
Meanwhile white people can often trace our ancestors to specific cities and regions. I can trace my mother's maiden name to a single fucking village in Ireland. I know where I came from. I don't have white culture, I have Irish culture.
So that's why white pride makes you an asshole but black pride actually makes sense."

This is from a reddit comment that puts my thoughts into words pretty well. I wonder what you guys think?

@raphjd:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/17/you-can-be-fined-for-not-calling-people-ze-or-hir-if-thats-the-pronoun-they-demand-that-you-use/?utm_term=.7d65728780c7

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/cchr/law/legal-guidances-gender-identity-expression.page

New York City fines (up to $250,000 per violation) for refusal to use any personal pronoun a person wants to use.   Of course, it covers other things as well, but the most recent change was about bathrooms and personal pronouns and names. .

So where is the person who has been fined for using the incorrect pronoun?

Also, I can't believe you won't accept that you're over exaggerating the fuck out of the C-16 Bill but let's agree to disagree because it's clear that you'll never change your mind on this.

I wonder if you wake up in cold shivers at night thinking of the purple haired 'Zes' and 'Zers' kicking down your door and cutting of the tongues of however dares to not say the right pro noun. That's probably a bit extreme but hey, the internet tells me that western society is being burnt down by syrian refugees, crazy feminists, SJWs, people from tumblr, black lives matter etc so what do I fucking know?

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.

That is what you said.

Where in that statement do yo admit they exist?   Nowhere.

You want people to think SJWs only exist in the minds of those that complain about them.

What? So I have to admit everything exists before I talk about them? Where did you admit that Trump exists? Nowhere.

This is ridiculous. Stop making strawmen to argue against because I never said SJWs exist. It's really not that hard man.

Seriously, go back through the various threads we've talked about this in.   If you are honest, you have portrayed SJWs are mythical beasts that only exist in the minds of the evil right's minds.

I peronally saw Trump years ago while I was in Atlantic City.      He was about 15 feet away from me, as he walked by.

And I've personally met many Americans over the years despite living in the the UK and Ireland. Who gives a fuck. That isn't my argument.

What you are doing is arguing against a strawman. I never said SJWs didn't exist, yet you keep arguing against me as if I did. In fact, my original post very much acknowledged their existence on the internet. And I just asked if anyone has met an SJW (which holy fuck triggered you a lot) - I NEVER said SJWs didn't exist. What is so difficult to understand here?

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@Eridanos:

@alibix:

Has anyone ever asked you to refer to them as 'Xer' or 'Xel'?

Maybe that's why I find the pronoun thing utterly stupid.  And giving more thought to it, is almost self-segregating, since you're putting yourself apart from the others on the basis of your sexual identity.

That's why barely anyone fucking asks people that! Because it is counter-productive The vast majority of trans people just want to be called 'him' or 'her' when they identify as 'him' or 'her'.

And yet, we have Canada's Bill C-16.

Blair White, well known Trans YouTuber, get called all kinds of names because she doesn't support all that BS gender crap.

When a trans person put someone in jail for refusing to call themselves a made up pronoun then I'll suck your dick and admit defeat. It's not going to fucking happen though because that's not what the bill is about.

Seriously, no thanks.

Umm, why do you demand that C-16 isn't bad because there isn't jail time attached to it?    The financial punishments, as well as other punitive measure, make it extremely harsh punishment for not using someone's made up personal pronouns.

I guess littering isn't a crime because it doesn't have a jail sentence attached to it.    Like with C-16, you only get jail time is if you refuse to pay the fines.

Jaywalking is a crime that only has a fine, unless like above, you refuse to pay it.   OR, your jaywalking caused an accident.

Refusal to pay a fine is treated as an attempt of court issue, which is where the jail time comes in.

So stop fixating on the lack of a jail/prison sentence in C-16.

Show me who has been fined for refusing to call someone by their preferred pronoun. Please, show me.

You won't find ANY because that's not what the bill is about.

@raphjd:

Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.

That is what you said.

Where in that statement do yo admit they exist?   Nowhere.

You want people to think SJWs only exist in the minds of those that complain about them.

What? So I have to admit everything exists before I talk about them? Where did you admit that Trump exists? Nowhere.

This is ridiculous. Stop making strawmen to argue against because I never said SJWs exist. It's really not that hard man.

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@Eridanos:

@alibix:

Has anyone ever asked you to refer to them as 'Xer' or 'Xel'?

Maybe that's why I find the pronoun thing utterly stupid.  And giving more thought to it, is almost self-segregating, since you're putting yourself apart from the others on the basis of your sexual identity.

That's why barely anyone fucking asks people that! Because it is counter-productive The vast majority of trans people just want to be called 'him' or 'her' when they identify as 'him' or 'her'.

And yet, we have Canada's Bill C-16.

Blair White, well known Trans YouTuber, get called all kinds of names because she doesn't support all that BS gender crap.

When a trans person put someone in jail for refusing to call themselves a made up pronoun then I'll suck your dick and admit defeat. It's not going to fucking happen though because that's not what the bill is about.

@Alexxx1:

Unfortunatelly I'm surrounded by them. Gosh how I hate sjws

Could you expand?

@Domosuke:

I can't say I'm really shocked at the clusterfuck of this thread.

You would think that a message board centered around gay pornography would be open minded to people that are different from them, but no. I already envisioned this whole thread panned out which is why I've been avoiding it for a few days now. I can hold back no longer.

You would think a bunch of homosexual (or same gender attracted men) would understand issues like this. But I totally see it now.

Anything to take the heat off their skillet or the weight off their scale to move it to somewhere else. Which just makes the situation worse.

This is turn creates a butterfly effect for people to either become "SJW", or for people to become the oppressors. It makes the situation worse and everything is a pity party now. Nobody is appreciate for what they have, nobody wishes to or wants to empathize anymore,

I'm not nessarily a "SJW", but I'm not going to bite my tongue on things which are clearly not right.

Call me an "SJW" for saying that gay porn is racist, especially to black people. Call me an "SJW" for saying that men should be allowed to wear makeup and dresses. Call me an "SJW" for saying that Muslim women have the right to wear a burka or not.  I don't give a fuck.

i just came.

No but seriously, thanks for your input. So have you met an SJW?

@raphjd:

So you forgot about the thread which talks about Portland?    The police don't arrest 112 "peaceful protestors" in a single night.

Here, I'll help you out with that;  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/11/13/anti-trump-protest-portland-devolves-into-riot/93760244/

Here's another article; https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/11/violence-erupts-in-portland-riot-as-anti-trump-protests-continue-in-cities-across-the-nation/?utm_term=.398e00eff4c9

The above link talks about various peaceful protests.   It also mentions that 185 "peaceful protestors" got arrested in Los Angeles.  It also talks about a group of peaceful protesters in Chicago getting their fists and feet attacked by a 49yo man.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/11/video-shows-group-beating-man-in-chicago-yelling-you-voted-trump-and-dont-vote-trump/?utm_term=.6b4551697271

The video of the 49yo man beating the fists and feet of the peaceful protests with his face and body, was removed by YouTube.   They probaby removed it because it they thought it was bad publicity for the peaceful protestors.

Sad how your copy of Google omits articles about anti-Trump riots, even when you type in "anti-trump riots".   Maybe you should contact Google and complain.

Thanks. I don't know why they weren't showing up.

This is still the minority of the anti-trump protests in the US.

@Eridanos:

@alibix:

Has anyone ever asked you to refer to them as 'Xer' or 'Xel'?

Maybe that's why I find the pronoun thing utterly stupid.  And giving more thought to it, is almost self-segregating, since you're putting yourself apart from the others on the basis of your sexual identity.

That's why barely anyone fucking asks people that! Because it is counter-productive The vast majority of trans people just want to be called 'him' or 'her' when they identify as 'him' or 'her'.

@raphjd:

How hard is it to google anti-Trump riots, especially someone who claims to be so clued up on what's going on?

I did google them. The ones I found were in Oakland. If you have ones that weren't in Oakland then please post them.

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

Umm, that quote is exactly what you said.

Let's compare:

"SJWs do not exist"

"To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them. "

No it is not what I said. What are you not getting?

SOOOOOO dishonest.

In your quote, you are claiming that SJWs only exist on the internet and only because people complain about them.   Nowhere in the quote do you admit that you have seen any SJWs anywhere, in real life or on the internet.   You act as if they are mythical creatures that right-wingers made up.

It's not dishonest. there is a huge fucking difference between those two sentences and I don't know why you can't see that. If you can't see such a basic thing and keep making up stuff I didn't say to argue against then we can't continue this debate.

@Eridanos:

@alibix:

The quote says that the hate crime needs to be a serious one. Refusing to use someone's preferred pronoun isn't serious. You are over exaggerating this bill to make it seem like the spooky scary SJWs are breaking down doors shotgunning people who don't say the right pronouns in front of their family.

One question, and answer honestly:
Have you met an SJW in real life?

Considering how some groups are acting, is just a matter of time before they throw you a glove because you forgot to refer to them as 'Xer' or 'Xel'.

And I've known a few SJW throughout my life.

The 'friends' who say they have your back when you come out and are supposedly soo liberal that they don't care about being seen with the 'gay' boy, but they barely do things with you anymore, or ended up being irked if you ever tap their shoulder again.

My Macroeconomics teacher in Uni.  Always talking about how females had the less opportunities and received the less help.  Always shaming the male students in one way or another.  Btw, she always talked about the poor females living in poverty, but never said anything regarding the poor who were also male.

My Economic Analysis teacher, supposedly a Marxist, indigenist (pro-native mexicans)…last time he actually did something to help the poor ethnic groups he always talked about, he hadn't even finished college yet.  Now he just sits in his cubicle comfortably without any care to visit the marginalized zones.  Of course he keeps mentioning the Conquista and how the 'evil WHITE spaniards, raped the poor native mexican women and basically fucked up the soo called greater destiny the Aztecs would have had if the europeans didn't had shown up.

A perfectly healthy woman in the subway once defended her 'right' to sit on the Elder/People with disabilities/Pregnant or child-carring women Seat.  Because she was a woman. (A young, healthy, non-pregnant, non-child-carrying woman)  while there were elderly people INCLUDING OTHER WOMEN, standing up.

Has anyone ever asked you to refer to them as 'Xer' or 'Xel'?