Posts made by alibix

@raphjd:

@alibix:

No isn't the same thing. A country of people =/= SJWs. Are you serious?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

"A common way for this fallacy to be perpetuated is one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result. False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence doesn't bear because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such: "If A is the set of c and d, and B is the set of d and e, then since they both contain d, A and B are equal". d is not required to exist in both sets; only a passing similarity is required to cause this fallacy to be able to be used."

"I only ever see SJWs on the internet so they must not exist"

vs

"I only see Americans on the Internet so they must not exist".

Both are the same, except for the subject.

We both know that both groups exist because how else would they be on the internet and in news articles.

I HAVE NEVER SAID SJWS DON'T EXIST. WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING THAT? THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING!

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

I guess you ignored this bit from your link;

Non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression may very well be interpreted by the courts in the future to include the right to be identified by a person’s self identified pronoun.   The Ontario Human Rights Commission, for example, in their Policy on Preventing Discrimination Because of Gender Identity and Expression states that gender harassment should include “ Refusing to refer to a person by their self-identified name and proper personal pronoun”.  In other words, pronoun misuse may become actionable, though the Human Rights Tribunals and courts.  And the remedies?  Monetary damages, non-financial remedies (for example, ceasing the discriminatory practice or reinstatement to job) and public interest remedies (for example, changing hiring practices or developing non-discriminatory policies and procedures).  Jail time is not one of them.

Just because prison isn't one of the punishments, doesn't mean that refusing to use some made up personal pronouns is being criminalized.

Not cleaning up after your dog (dog fouling) is a criminal offense with no jail time.   The same with littering.   The only difference is the amount of the financial penalty.    Many things are criminal offenses, that have no jail time.

You are soooooooooooo desperate to make everyone believe that SJWs don't exist, that you are willing to distort anything that counters your stance.

I like how you conveniently left this out:
"So what does this mean for pronoun misuse?  Well, refusing to use a person’s self identified pronoun is not going to be considered advocating genocide – unless the refusal to use the pronouns was accompanied by actually advocating genocide against trans and gender non-binary folks.

Similarly, it’s hard to see the refusal to use the appropriate pronoun –without something else –  rising to the threshold of hate speech.   Hate speech laws in Canada have only been used- and only can be used –  against extreme forms of speech – explicitly and extreme forms of homophobic, anti-Semitic or racist speech.   Moreover, prosecution needs the approval of the Attorney General."

If you want real world examples of SJWs, then watch YouTube videos.   There are countless videos of SJWs doing what they do best.   You get to see their logic coming from their own mouths.  You get to see how peaceful and lovely they are when someone disagrees with them.  You get to see them pour piss on Lauren Southern and try to run away but get caught, because she doesn't agree that there are unliited genders.

THIS IS MY FUCKING POINT! The only place I see SJWS are on the internet. What are you not getting? Why are so threatened by this idea? In none of my comments did I say SJWs didn't exist yet you keep saying that I want them to not exist.

Seriously, are you really that desperate that you are ignoring the bit I quoted from your link?     Nothing in the bit says you need genocide to be guilty of a hate crime.

You want people to think SJWs don't exist because you never met one in real life.    If you limit your "news" to Tumblr, Salon, MTV Decoded and whatnot, they won't show the stories about SJWs going mental.    Try broadening your news sources and you will see a lot more SJWs.

The quote says that the hate crime needs to be a serious one. Refusing to use someone's preferred pronoun isn't serious. You are over exaggerating this bill to make it seem like the spooky scary SJWs are breaking down doors shotgunning people who don't say the right pronouns in front of their family.

One question, and answer honestly:
Have you met an SJW in real life?

@raphjd:

Umm, that quote is exactly what you said.

Let's compare:

"SJWs do not exist"

"To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them. "

No it is not what I said. What are you not getting?

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

I live in Scotland.   I see more Americans on the internet than I do in real life.   Therefore, things that happen in America have no effect on the rest of the world, including who is elected President.  See how that doesn't make sense?

Internet SJW feminists get to talk at the UN.  They wanted to criminalize as "violence" calling someone stupid or a liar on the internet.

Jessica Valenti (columnist @ The Guardian), UN Women and many others say that equality harms women, so women need to be lifted above men.

Obama and Hillary make SJW feminist claims, despite official US government stats proving them wrong.   Many, many politicians are guilty of this.   I have only ever seen these people on the internet or TV, so clearly they have no efffect on the greater society.

I've only ever seen Justin Trudeau on the internet, but as Canada's PM, he has affected his entire country by chosing his cabinet members based on their genitals, not experience or merit.

Politicians, despite official stats saying otherwise, keep claiming that cops are killing black people at a rate higher than any other race.

Univesrities routinely pander to SJWs.  If you live in a college town yo will proably see it, but if you live in the middle of nowhere, then you won't.

False equivalency. SJWs are supposed to be everywhere in the west. You wouldn't expect to see Americans in Scotland, but the internet makes i seem hat you should be seeing SJWs everywhere.

All your other statements are honestly very misleading and you provide zero sources and also have nothing to do with this post about a college safe space.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/12/27/a-professor-called-trumps-election-an-act-of-terrorism-then-she-became-the-victim-of-terror/?utm_term=.3ea7addaf821

How about you talk about conservative students wanting to sue teachers because of what the opinions the express? Don't they need a safe space?

You see how ridiculous this is? Wouldn't they be SJWs? You're definition of SJW is so loose and basically looks like you call anyone who doesn't agree with you an SJW.

NOPE.   I only ever see Americans on the internet or TV, so they must not exist in real life.     It's the same thing you say about SJWs.

Umm, how f'ing lazy are you?

No isn't the same thing. A country of people =/= SJWs. Are you serious?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

"A common way for this fallacy to be perpetuated is one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result. False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence doesn't bear because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such: "If A is the set of c and d, and B is the set of d and e, then since they both contain d, A and B are equal". d is not required to exist in both sets; only a passing similarity is required to cause this fallacy to be able to be used."

@raphjd:

Only in Oakland?

I guess the thread about the arrested "protesters" in Portland doesn't exist.   The Portland riots went on for at least 4 nights.

LA started out as a peaceful protest but turned into a riot as the sun went down.

In Indianapolis, the "protesters" shouted "kill the police" and threw rocks at the police.

There were several others.

You really need to pay attention to the news more often and NO, Clinton News Network isn't real news.

It would be really great if you gave some sources.

@raphjd:

I live in Scotland.   I see more Americans on the internet than I do in real life.   Therefore, things that happen in America have no effect on the rest of the world, including who is elected President.  See how that doesn't make sense?

Internet SJW feminists get to talk at the UN.  They wanted to criminalize as "violence" calling someone stupid or a liar on the internet.

Jessica Valenti (columnist @ The Guardian), UN Women and many others say that equality harms women, so women need to be lifted above men.

Obama and Hillary make SJW feminist claims, despite official US government stats proving them wrong.   Many, many politicians are guilty of this.   I have only ever seen these people on the internet or TV, so clearly they have no efffect on the greater society.

I've only ever seen Justin Trudeau on the internet, but as Canada's PM, he has affected his entire country by chosing his cabinet members based on their genitals, not experience or merit.

Politicians, despite official stats saying otherwise, keep claiming that cops are killing black people at a rate higher than any other race.

Univesrities routinely pander to SJWs.  If you live in a college town yo will proably see it, but if you live in the middle of nowhere, then you won't.

False equivalency. SJWs are supposed to be everywhere in the west. You wouldn't expect to see Americans in Scotland, but the internet makes i seem hat you should be seeing SJWs everywhere.

All your other statements are honestly very misleading and you provide zero sources and also have nothing to do with this post about a college safe space.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/12/27/a-professor-called-trumps-election-an-act-of-terrorism-then-she-became-the-victim-of-terror/?utm_term=.3ea7addaf821

How about you talk about conservative students wanting to sue teachers because of what the opinions the express? Don't they need a safe space?

You see how ridiculous this is? Wouldn't they be SJWs? You're definition of SJW is so loose and basically looks like you call anyone who doesn't agree with you an SJW.

@raphjd:

Umm, they made their voices heard by not voting.   They told the rest of the electorate to decide for them.

If either vote (US or UK) would have went the other way, the leftists would be telling the losing side to shut up and suck it up.     Also, the losing side would not be rioting aka looting, as we see now.

I hope you realize that both sides made their vioces heard in the campaign leading up to the viote.   As we see, the only thing left is for the losing side to riot/loot.

To cast all the anti trump protests in america as riots is extremely disingenuous. The only reports of riots and looting I could were in Oakland which is a huge minority of all the anti trump protest that occurred in the US.

The only thing left for the losing side is to not get complacent. And make their voices heard. Democracy doesn't mean the losing side should just shut up and take it.

@raphjd:

@alibix:

Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.

Here's the bit where you claim SJWs only ever exist is in minds of "other people" (read: people who disagree with you) on the internet.

Also, GT.ru is not an echo chamber because we don't censor view points, despite how many SJWs report topics insisting they be deleted.  Everyone can express their viewpoint, unless they start name calling, which over the last few days I have, as the forum admin, ignored when people have called me a troll and other things.

The only thing topics we do not allow are illegal ones, as noted in the forum rules.

I did not say those words. What the fuck? I said the only time a hear about SJWs is when people on the internet complain about them. I didn't say they didn't exist. I don't know why you keep saying that I'm saying that but I'm not. You're arguing against a strawman.

@raphjd:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/11/15/election-records-more-than-half-arrested-anti-trump-protesters-didnt-vote-ore/93877132/

One of the local TV stations looked up the 112 arrested protesters and found that only 25 voted, at least in Oregon.   At the time of the article, there were 17 arrested protesters they hadn't been able to look up yet.

It's just like with Brexit.  The side that lost couldn't be bothered to vote and are now butt hurt.

It's a shamne really. The US and the UK are democracies and the losing side must know make sure their voice is heard

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

It doesn't mean that SJWs don't actually exist as you want everyone to believe.

I have never said these words.

True, you just want people to believe that there are like 3 SJWs in the entire world.

Why do you keep saying things that I have never said? You are arguing against someone that isn't me.

You would have more crediblity if you just admitted that they exist and they have an effect on what is going on around us.    You claim that they only exist on the internet shows that you are insane or dishonest.

Again. Things I haven't said. I said I hear more about SJWS on the internet than seing htem in real life.

@raphjd:

It doesn't mean that SJWs don't actually exist as you want everyone to believe.

I have never said these words.

@ffuck:

@alibix:

Could you give any example of this stuff in real life and not tumblr?

Oh honey, trust me, everyone has met radical misandrists (self-proclaimed feminists) in real life. I'm part of the Anarcha-queer community in my country and I have seen a lot of women shaming men just because they are men. As well as shaming other women just because they consider themselves 100% heterosexual and like going with men. This year I even encountered someone who claimed that men should not take off their t-shirts cause it's making women uncomfortable. But it doesn't end there, women should also not take their top off, if they fall into the stereotypical "beauty" category cause it's making other women uncomfortable too. This is not what Feminism is about. Feminism is about freedom and equality: if a guy (or a girl or anyone) takes their shirt off as a sign of personal freedom, you don't shame them and tell them to put it on again. You take your shirt off too. Screaming onto other people's ideas of freedom won't help anyone. You are just being a jerk if you do so.

That's strange, I wasn't there a huge feminist free the nipple movement early this year? 
Do you think that person you met represents all feminists?

@cannonmc:

Do you lot ever get bored? Because I do.

Pointless verbose exchanges between people who will never agree aren't the most edifying topic on a gay torrent site.

And you do go on and on and on and on….

I'm trying to get an opposing viewpoint in here. This place is an echo chamber.

@raphjd:

I guess you ignored this bit from your link;

Non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression may very well be interpreted by the courts in the future to include the right to be identified by a person’s self identified pronoun.   The Ontario Human Rights Commission, for example, in their Policy on Preventing Discrimination Because of Gender Identity and Expression states that gender harassment should include “ Refusing to refer to a person by their self-identified name and proper personal pronoun”.  In other words, pronoun misuse may become actionable, though the Human Rights Tribunals and courts.  And the remedies?  Monetary damages, non-financial remedies (for example, ceasing the discriminatory practice or reinstatement to job) and public interest remedies (for example, changing hiring practices or developing non-discriminatory policies and procedures).  Jail time is not one of them.

Just because prison isn't one of the punishments, doesn't mean that refusing to use some made up personal pronouns is being criminalized.

Not cleaning up after your dog (dog fouling) is a criminal offense with no jail time.   The same with littering.   The only difference is the amount of the financial penalty.    Many things are criminal offenses, that have no jail time.

You are soooooooooooo desperate to make everyone believe that SJWs don't exist, that you are willing to distort anything that counters your stance.

I like how you conveniently left this out:
"So what does this mean for pronoun misuse?  Well, refusing to use a person’s self identified pronoun is not going to be considered advocating genocide – unless the refusal to use the pronouns was accompanied by actually advocating genocide against trans and gender non-binary folks.

Similarly, it’s hard to see the refusal to use the appropriate pronoun –without something else –  rising to the threshold of hate speech.   Hate speech laws in Canada have only been used- and only can be used –  against extreme forms of speech – explicitly and extreme forms of homophobic, anti-Semitic or racist speech.   Moreover, prosecution needs the approval of the Attorney General."

If you want real world examples of SJWs, then watch YouTube videos.   There are countless videos of SJWs doing what they do best.   You get to see their logic coming from their own mouths.  You get to see how peaceful and lovely they are when someone disagrees with them.  You get to see them pour piss on Lauren Southern and try to run away but get caught, because she doesn't agree that there are unliited genders.

THIS IS MY FUCKING POINT! The only place I see SJWS are on the internet. What are you not getting? Why are so threatened by this idea? In none of my comments did I say SJWs didn't exist yet you keep saying that I want them to not exist.

@Eridanos:

@raphjd:

I hope you realize that posting that link helps me, not you.

And indeed it does.  Such venom-filled statements and one of those girls having the nerve of calling them 'healthy discussions'.  That FB group doesn't even deserve the right to be called a 'Safe Space'.

The girl saying her white stepfather makes jokes at her expense is troubling though…but if someone cared enough to adopt a child that is not theirs, let alone of their same race, I highly doubt they would even dare to make hurtful jokes about them.  My only guess regarding that girl is that her SJW identity has overwhelmed her sensibilities and now EVERYTHING her white father says is a direct insult to her,always a joke at her expense.

Then we had that 'RobinPollack' SJW, who got wrecked by the other commenters. On of the replies of such men 'Ben Michaels' hit the nail:

"...creating an echo chamber where much of the rhetoric is spiteful, belittling, and self-righteous doesn’t make people feel better, it doesn’t help them cope with problems, and it doesn’t create a positive path forward for dealing with problems. It makes people feel worse, not better."

Not to mention the part where he pointed the fact that some 'Safe Groups' become platforms for bigoted rhetoric.

What do you mean it 'helps' me? A stupid and racist thing was stopped in a college because people realized how dumb it was. Are the SJWS part of the college now and are masterminding this to make it look like they're not SJWS? Is that how far it goes??

@ffuck:

I'm not gonna go too deep in what Social Justice means, I'm gonna stick to the category of SJW the OP referred to.

I use Tumblr (and occasionally Reddit) for about 6 years now and I can assume you that things are way worse than you think they are. Just an idea of what kind of arguments exist:

• PERSONAL PRONOUNS: people believe they can CREATE new personal pronouns in a language. Xe/xer, ye/yer, zee/zer, ey/eyr… LITERALLY EVERYONE CREATES THEIR OWN PRONOUNS. Guys, it doesn't work like that. Pronouns are core words and a closed category in a language. You don't just add or remove words that easily. It needs natural evolution of language to happen, and even then only the form of the pronoun may change and not the meaning. Plus, when it comes to gender-neutral pronouns, English is one of the few gender-languages that have gender-neutral pronouns: they/them/their(s). Yes, they are valid pronouns, and they are 100% grammatical and they have been used for ages. If you cannot conform yourself in a specific sex and you feel like using gender-neuter pronouns, stick to the ones that already exist and are canon.
• NEW SEXUALITIES, ROMANTICITIES, AND GENDERS: Iculasexual is not a sexuality. Scoliogender is not a gender. And otherkins (people who believe they are not human but something else, such as an animal, a plant, a mythical creature, a non-living thing, or even an idea) are a joke. And sadly, people on Tumblr and other places will reclaim that belonging to another species is a valid idea, and that includes people who think they are dragons, angels, chairs, or tampons. IF YOU DO ANY OF THOSE PLEASE STOP! You may think you promote equality, etc, but all you do is dehumanize and ridicule the queer spectrum, identity, and philosophy.
• SHAMING MAJORITIES: Tumblr users often try to fight racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, etc by attacking the majority. That means shaming people for being white, cisgender, heterosexual, male, fully-abled, mentally stable or neurotypical. THEY HAVE TO BE STOPPED.
• RADICAL FEMINISM: Fake "feminism", which is basically dehumanizing male individuals (see: misandry) to counterpart misogyny. Also dehumanizes females who take care of their body, use make-up, work in the sex industry, like sex and are proud of it, are attracted to men only, etc. The problem here is not that radical feminism exists. People can hate whomever they want. Just don't call your hate towards men "feminism" cause it makes real feminism (AKA gender EQUALITY) look bad. Which it's not.

BELIEVING IN ANY OF THOSE THINGS DOESN'T MAKE YOU "COOL" OR "RAD" OR "WOKE". IT MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID. Stop the madness, please.

Could you give any example of this stuff in real life and not tumblr?

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@Eridanos:

@raphjd:

I don't think it's quite that.

The part I was referring to is the bit of C-16 that requires you to call someone by their personally chosen pronouns.    Traditionally, personal pronouns are HE, HIM, HIS, SHE, HER, HERS, THEY, THEY'RE, THEIRS.    Now it can literally be anything a person can imagine.

Excluding the muslim issue, Canada is only beaten for the SJW award by Sweden.

Oh. Thanks for clearing that up. But still…dammit, human relationships are as complicated as they are without all this nonsense. And somehow they manage to tangle them up more...

This is a textbook example of what I'm trying to talk about. Extreme exaggeration to make this huge, everpresent enemy that doesn't really exist.

http://sds.utoronto.ca/blog/bill-c-16-no-its-not-about-criminalizing-pronoun-misuse/

Did you even read that link?

Just because there isn't a prison sentence assigned to this, it's still got plenty of punative measures in the courts.   It's nice how you try to make it appear that I lying about it.

Holy fucking shit, I'M the one in a fucking echo chamber???

You're the one that posts SJW bullshit all day on tis forum so that people can jack off with you on how bad SJWS are.
I'm the one in a fucking echochamber, jesus christ.

SJW seem to just be a convenient term to label anyone you don't like. And you are fucking obsessed - just as obsessed as SJWs are.

Your desperation to deny that SJWs are common place shows that you are clearly in an echo chamber.  That, or you are being dishonest.

I actually think that you are in an echo chamber and you don't notice SJWs because they fit your confirmation biases.    You clearly don't view all the SJW actions over the last decade as anything odd or bad.

LOL, I think you mean like how your side loves to scream "Trump supporter", "racist", "homophobe" and everything else at anyone who disagrees with you.

Did you read it? You are over exaggerating to the extreme. No one will ever be jailed for using the wrong pronoun. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL PEOPLE BY THEIR PRONOUNS EITHER. THE BILL DOESN'T FUCKING DO THAT.

Let me tell you what kind of chamber  I'm in - my college is FULL of people like you that constantly scream the tired 'TRIGGERED' meme all the time and it's the same in most places or with most people here. That's my point, I see people talk about SJWS and complain about them WAY more than I actually see one or interact with one.

I like how you ignored the part where I said that you were in an echo chamber.

And now you're saying things that I've never done because?

@pasha:

yeah I've met a few, some are irritating and are too far left politically for my tastes, some are more centrists and fit with my political views

Could you give specific examples? Something on the level of 'did you assume my gender' and 'xe and xer'?

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

You are too limiting on what an SJW is.

SJWs include feminists, BLM, "Just Believe", the "Slut Walk", "Take Back the Night" and many, many others.

It's Norweign male politicians who apologize to their muslim rapist.

It's Swedish feminist Left Party politicians that claims being raped by Swedish men is worse than being raped by muslims.

It's the people that defend muslim "refugees" who rape 10yo boys because they had a "sexual emergency".

It's the people who demand the media de-muslim/de-refugee media articles, like the Paris McDonald's killer story.

So anyone who disagrees with you?

Again, you are being too simplistic about it, which is typical for SJWs.

Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.

I'm betting you don't notice them because they fit into your echo chamber and confirmation biases.

These people are everywhere.  They are on TV (you can find a lot of the stuff copied to YouTube), they are all over mass media.

SJWs routinely make it into mass media because they false flag themselves.  As it turns out, none of the rapes that made international news in the last 20 years was real.  The same goes for pro Trump violence.    But as the SJW campaign tells us; JUST BELIEVE.

Holy fucking shit, I'M the one in a fucking echo chamber???

You're the one that posts SJW bullshit all day on tis forum so that people can jack off with you on how bad SJWS are.
I'm the one in a fucking echochamber, jesus christ.

SJW seem to just be a convenient term to label anyone you don't like. And you are fucking obsessed - just as obsessed as SJWs are.

http://claremontindependent.com/3473-2/