Why is everything new being deleted from the "Fan Sites" category?
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Im starting to think it may be time to get rid of fansites as a category and for people not to label torrents with anything besides the name of the stars for fansites. It's getting awful.
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@krad3434 honestly I just try to download as much of the big Onlyfans accounts I can get before I gets taken down. I don’t upload anymore. And I leave my torrent running 24/7 on one of my spare laptops to get seed points.
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@massafera said in Why is everything new being deleted from the "Fan Sites" category?:
Lmao you really went off didn't you?
First of all, I'm not demanding anything. I'm not complaining about "the volume of content being uploaded by users". I'm very aware that this is illegal sharing and so are you and guess what, we are both still here. Actually, we are both still here since 2008. I've been contributing with a lot of content here and helping users with their requests since then without expectations.
As I said, if users were choosing to upload fewer files I wouldn't be complaining at all. This is not what this is about and we both know it, so don't try to make it sound like I'm complaining because there aren't 'enough' torrents being posted.
I'm just saying that me, as well as other users, would LIKE TO KNOW why every single file is being deleted, that's all. I was very polite both times I messaged the admins. The only one being agressive and with an attitude for no reason here is you. There's just no need for that.
Anyway, I won't message you anymore. This is not why I created this thread. I'm only going to say that in MY opinion I think it would be fair for the admins to let us know why this is happening. Specially to avoid waste of time to download and upload files that are ALL gonna be removed in a few hours. This is MY opinion. Feel free to not agree with me but don't tell me what I should or shouldn't say. If you can have your opinion on rhat matter, well... So can I.
My apologies if I "went off" on you - but it annoys me when people complain about things they're getting for free. If you honestly want the content that isn't here, pay for it! It's the "sense of entitlement" that riles me - and that comes from my job... sorry if it rubbed off here.
What I was trying to make clear is that the STAFF here aren't taking down videos because they don't like them, or the uploaders, or anything else - with the exception of uploaded content that is barred (like duplicates, and illegal stuff [pedo, snuff, etc. - read the rules yourself])... in fact, you likely can't see it, but there are categories for straight porn here, as well as (nasty to me) scat!
This place goes OUT OF THEIR WAY to allow almost
anything!@raphjd - a site administrator - confirmed above that the suspicions aired here from the start were correct... the removals are because of DMCA takedown requests.
An argument could be made that, "hey, we know we're "stealing" content here, why not ignore the DMCA requests?" - But the site advertises that copyright holders can request, and they will comply, with valid DMCA takedown requests! They own the site, they make the rules!
Also, as has been pointed out already as well: while the current "fad" seems to be targeting the OF content, they are far from the only content pulled. I have uploaded probablty 2-3 TB of Helix and NextDoor content (my collections there are nearly complete), and another 4-5TB of Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher content (my collections there ARE complete) - and because I post in "collections", they usually get DMCA'd after a month or 2...
But, I get a notice in my mailbox that the content was removed for a DMCA complaint. Also, there's no penalty on here for losing an upload due to a DMCA complaint.
If you are an uploader of OF content and your posts are disappearing -- WITHOUT a note from the staff as to WHY it's gone, -- open a helpdesk ticket! 100% of my uploads that have been taken down in the past have been explained to me why they were removed.
IMHO, the ONLY people due an explanation for removed content are the uploaders themselves. (And in my experience, the staff has always done that for me.)
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Hi guys,
I don't normally post or visit the forums, so a hello to everyone. I can only speak to my own experiences co-operating a gay public forum, which gets hit with DMCA Notifications every day.
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Websites are required to comply with valid DMCA Notifications. Website owners that don't comply will not be protected by safe harbor laws, opening them up to much more severe liability.
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Part of the popularity of GTRU is that much of its torrents are publicly available, which is a double-edged sword. If something is public on Google, that means the torrents can be found by porn fiends AND automated bots.
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GTRU is one of the biggest gay porn torrent (maybe the largest?). If OnlyFans or performers or their paid DMCA representatives were to repeatedly infringing sites, this would be it.
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I'm not personally privy to the software behind the automated monitoring methods, but they likely utilize a combination of simple text and image scanning. Some basic obfuscation methods will usually beat the monitoring:
- Word obfuscation: R3n0 G01d vs Reno Gold
- Image obfuscation: flip or rotate the image
Some other thoughts:
- There are categories that are more high-risk for copyright violations than others (like Fansites). I don't know if the torrent site is capable of it, but maybe the site could make certain categories (like Fansites) private and only viewable by members?
- I know some of the uploaders spend a lot of time and effort to put together your torrents. It really is appreciated by the community - thank you!!
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@rnd256 said in Why is everything new being deleted from the "Fan Sites" category?:
- I know some of the uploaders spend a lot of time and effort to put together your torrents. It really is appreciated by the community - thank you!!
I was remiss in not also expressing my sincere appreciation for ALL uploaders! Even if your content isn't my cup-o-tea, or is removed for whatever reason, I know it takes a LOT of time to properly upload a torrent!
I thank you, thank you, thank you!
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It sucks, but I guess the site just got too large.
I'm thankful to the people who do share, but I imagine if what they share keeps getting deleted before anyone else can download it they'll probably stop.
RFC is another studio that more or less just has vanished off the site slowly.
The fansite category is basically just a giant target, name obfuscation does work, the main issue being I've even seen that get taken down. It'd be nice if most stayed up for at least 24 hours. Making it hidden by default would likely at least slightly slow down some files from getting removed but who knows.
Some of the torrents have both given me people to sub to as well as save me from wasting cash on mostly solos and 20 second poorly angled iphone videos that OF gives me no way to dispute charges on.
I'm thankful, but just like the jff and of boom changed things a lot it's clear something else is gonna give soon too.
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@krad3434 I totally agree, I do pay for my OnlyFans subs and some are worth it, but so many of them are so f*** bad, probably as bad as torrenting "theft". It's just couple of recent examples, I could threw my money down the drain and it would be the same,
Imanol Brown - everything hidden behind paywall, you cash on subscription and he asks you for extra money everytime he uploads full video, never mind photoshopped dick picks.
He advertises full access on his social media but this is BS.Lawrence London - same story, you subscribe you get snippets and everything else is to buy separately
LAExib - poorly recorded, maximum 1 minute long
ARealGutFull - half of advertised content on twitter isn't even on his JFF
RickyCageXXX - one video per two months...seriously?
I could go on and on and on...
I still do support my favourite ones and encourage everyone to do it at least from time to time, but it's hard to find decent content creator and OF refuses refunds even if you can point out obvious lies in bio/adverts. So do I feel bad for torrenting? No, I rather waste my ratio than money.Ps. If you know any good public sex creators let me know
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@dilemmax I do.
Send me a PM.
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I think something more is going on here. There has been a huge increase in deletions and many of them have nothing to do with OF.
When this started, I thought it was just OF trying a porn guardian service. This happens sometimes. When everything from a particular site suddenly disappears, but then the takedowns stop a week or two later, that's a trial.
But for several weeks now, when I look at torrents that were downloaded 24 hrs ago on my seedbox, half or more are unregistered. Many are not from OF. Some are even from sites like Reddit that have no copyright on the material their members post.
I don't think the porn guardian services use Google. I think they get accounts on all the major sites, then either write automated routines to scan (inexpensive, prone to error) or hire humans (expensive, but almost impossible to fool with m15pe11ing.) As far as I can tell, in the past few weeks, misspelling and omission of anything resembling "OF" has not protected any torrent from deletion.
Consider the evidence:
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This site has been asking for new mods for several months now.
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Any clever, experienced porn guard employee could say all the right things to get elevated to moderator.
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This site probably doesn't keep audit logs of additions/deletions/modifications, for the same reason it doesn't comment on DMCA. What isn't documented can't be subpoened.
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Once they're a mod, they can delete anything they want, right away -- and these deletions are basically undetectable, assuming nobody but the original uploader receives notification.
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Now they can easily delete posts for all of their clients, not just OF.
I've also observed the uploads per hour rate cut to 50% to 25% of what we were seeing before this started. That's the real problem with constant deletions, uploaders get discouraged. Only a small percentage will re-post torrents, and even they will only re-post a few times before giving up. If someone spends an hour preparing an upload, and it's deleted in 15 minutes, they're very unlikely to try uploading here ever again.
@raphjd - would you please let the Site Owner know that there may be a fox in the henhouse? If I'm wrong about not keeping audit trails, unauthorized deletions will be easy to detect. If not, perhaps deletion logging could be enabled temporarily to track down the culprit... Thanks!
Based on the timing of deletions, I would guess it's someone in western Europe or eastern US. But it could be multiple porn guard employees sharing the same mod account.
Of course, I could be wrong about all of this. It's the conclusion I draw from the evidence I can see, but I only see a small part of the total.
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@urx585 It's an interesting theory that it's all an inside job, but it's hilariously wrong.
There is a paper trail for EVERYTHING that is done on the site, I'm sure if I looked through my inbox I could find all the DMCA notices for content I uploaded and had removed. I can personally attest that you get a private message EVERYTIME something you upload is taken down, with clear cut reason spelled out in the message.
You may have "observed" upload rates decrease in your mind, but if you looked at the site as a whole, uploads are on the same rhythm they always are. Slower in the middle of the week, higher on weekends
GTRU is in the tough spot of being one of the biggest, if not the THE biggest gay porn torrent site around so it's quite easy to have a target on our back when it comes to DMCA requests.
There is no Grand Conspiracy. Just the studios/onlyfans and their respective agents filing the legal paperwork asking for their content to be removed.
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I guess at this point site is dying? So many things are getting deleted, the only torrents alive are old torrents.
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@marcustehkid - You're absolutely right about that, the studios and their agents file paperwork then torrents are deleted. That takes time.
Prior to the recent innovations, there were roughly three classes of takedowns:
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Depending on what time of day they were uploaded, BBA torrents are usually taken down in less than two hours, sometimes much faster, so I always assumed the studio owner was on friendly terms, and was given a mechanism to delete quickly. These torrents are almost always deleted regardless of obfuscation. Together with the time-of-day dependency, that suggests a real live human is doing the work.
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Torrents from studios with expensive porn guardian services (FX, SS, SR, EL, HYB, MM, BT, AF, etc.) are usually taken down in 2-12 hours. Some of these torrents were protected by obfuscation, so detection probably depends on both humans and algorithms.
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Torrents from studios with less aggressive guardian services (CM, Stxs, Cdnt, Mn, etc.) are deleted within a few days, and obfuscation is highly effective, so these detections are probably machine dependent.
I've been watching very carefully for the last three days (Thursday/Friday/Saturday) and I've seen exactly the same thing happen every morning at approximately 9AM US Eastern time. Almost every torrent with OF content (and many others too) is deleted, starting with the most recently posted. Then, until about 5PM US Eastern, torrents with OF content are deleted almost as soon as they are posted, typically in less than 30 minutes, sometimes in less than 10 minutes, sometimes before they even start to seed. After 5PM Eastern, deletion of OF torrents becomes spotty and slow.
That is consistent with someone in NYC getting up and going to work from 9 to 5, scanning everything that was posted during the night -- page by page, starting with the most recent -- and clicking on the "delete" button next to everything that might belong to one of their clients. Once they've finished, they refresh the uploads page every ten minutes or so, and click on "delete" for anything new they see.
Filing paperwork takes time. These deletions don't. This is new and different.
If you want to see this for yourself, load every OF torrent that's posted between 5PM and 9AM Eastern into your seedbox, then watch their status change from 9AM to 10AM. You will see them become "unregistered", starting with the most recent. (If it's a single person, they probably only work 5 days a week, so there may be two days per week when torrents survive longer.)
I completely withdraw my suggestion that a porn guardian employee has somehow infiltrated the site. That was a silly thought, and I apologize to anyone reading this who might have been upset by that suggestion. The site operators are aware. That's why they're promoting and freeleeching so many old torrents. They know that some users will be disappointed at finding so much less new content, so they're trying to provide alternatives.
The popularity of OF has exploded in the last few years, especially during Covid. As most of the major studios had trouble operating under restrictions, individuals were still able to produce more and more OF content. Prior to the recent innovations, at least half of the new content posted to this site was from OF. Its absence will be sorely missed.
I love this site and I don't want it to change. I bet the operators don't, either. They must have been under tremendous pressure.
This site always had a terrible problem with torrent longevity -- most torrents die within a month or two -- but if the operators start re-promoting every old torrent when it gets down to 2 seeders, it could become a very impressive archive of gay porn history. I love libraries full of old books, so I'm sure I'll love a torrent site full of old porn. But that's very different from what this site once was, and us users will need time to go through the grieving process before we can accept what we've lost.
If I could make one request: please re-promote and freeleech more of the old amateur, homemade, and twink torrents. This site hosts a truly stunning amount of Asian porn, and it's very nice that so much of it has been re-promoted recently, but it only appeals to a subset of users.
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I think you guys are confusing, at least in part, DMCA takedowns with dupe removals.
We get a lot of dupes and other rule-breaking torrents.
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I wish something more could be done to prevent the sudden removal of fansite stuff right after posting. I mean there was a rip of Iggy Lopez's stuff and it didn't even begin to download and seed because it was removed so fast.
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@raphjd - If I have a tab open for a torrent that's been marked as a duplicate, and I refresh that tab, I see "Access Denied" and the page title looks like "DUPLICATE https://gaytorrent..." (the word duplicate followed by a link to the original upload.)
If I have a tab open for a rule-breaking torrent that is in Themed Movies, but isn't gay themed, and I refresh that tab, I'll see "Access Denied" and the page title will say something like "NOT THEMED". Similar for "collections" that are determined to have no common theme.
These torrents aren't deleted, they're restricted so that no ordinary user can see them in the search results or download them.
This is different. These torrents are being deleted. If I refresh the tab, I'll see "No torrent with ID."
There were always lots of takedowns on this site, and as others have pointed out, if this site didn't comply with DMCA it would have been sued out of existence many years ago, just like TBP.
What's different in the last few weeks is the speed and quantity of takedowns. Even the most rapid deletions used to take at least a few hours, and torrents often lasted for a day or two before disappearing. Now it happens very quickly, often in less than 30 minutes, and the number of torrents that are being deleted is much, much greater, covering a much wider range of material.
I tested this again this morning by looking through torrents posted during the night, opening them in tabs, then waiting a few hours and refreshing the tabs. At least two dozen of them were deleted, and some of them had nothing to do with OF. Some included amateur vids that have never been deleted before, i.e. part 2 of a Voyeur compilation from a site that doesn't exist any more and never had any copyrights over its user-contributed contents to begin with. None of them were duplicates or against the rules.
I understand that OF is on a takedown binge and it might last for a very long time; they have plenty of money to pay for takedown services. They've become the dominant source for porn, and prior to the last few weeks, more than 50% of the new content posted to GTRU was from OF. Why so many other torrents are also disappearing quickly is much more of a mystery to me.
In any case, the OF takedowns are having the desired effect. There is already much less content from OF being posted, and as more and more users see their uploads deleted in 30 minutes or less, they'll give up and go elsewhere. Of course, if "elsewhere" gets too popular, OF will go after it too, and the users there will go through this same frustrating experience.
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@musclelv1972 said in Why is everything new being deleted from the "Fan Sites" category?:
I wish something more could be done to prevent the sudden removal of fansite stuff right after posting. I mean there was a rip of Iggy Lopez's stuff and it didn't even begin to download and seed because it was removed so fast.
So unless I'm mistaken, once the connection is made between seeder and leecher, the tracker is no longer a required part of the equation. And the DMCA (as well as duplicate) removals just take them away from the tracker - they have no way to infiltrate the seeder's systems and remove content!
So: if you're seeing a torrent come up, and it's seeder starts to seed, and you get connected to that seeder, and while you're still downloading, the site removes the torrent (for whatever reason), your download should continue until completion.
Because the torrent was removed, you won't be "charged" for the download, but you won't be able to SEED it either, upon completion.
I know people are often confused about this part of torrenting: the tracker doesn't contain any part of the actual files! All of the content is on other users' computers! The tracker is just an "arbiter" - connecting people who want to people who have!
When you "browse" torrents here, you're just looking at a catalog of material people are seeding. (Thousands of users means many thousands of seeded items)... When you "download" from the site, you're actually just downloading a "descriptor" of the contents (including file checksums - to make sure you're getting valid content)... your torrent client program then use that descriptor, and a connection to the "tracker," to establish DIRECT connections to the seeders.
From that point on, all of the data transfers are between seeder and leecher - with no action happening on (or through) the tracker, except that both report TO the tracker that they are talking/trading data. (That is where/how the quotas are established/maintained).
So, when a torrent is removed from the tracker, the list of seeders the leecher got are still valid, and the seeders are still seeding (they don't need access to the tracker, except that the tracker is how leechers "hear/learn about" the seeder). Thus, the torrent is "unregistered" - not dead.
Long story short, once you are leeching, if the tracker removes the torrent, your leech should be able to continue... unless the SEEDER also (typically out of frustration) deletes the torrent from their client, in which case, they are no longer seeding and the torrent really IS dead.
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DMCA notifications have been sent with a very unusual high frequency, sometimes even within the first 5 minutes from the moment the content was posted. This is very concerning, especially when I see admin replies implying we are confusing DMCA takedowns with dupe removals. Something changed on this site within the last weeks and it feels like a targeted move.
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I feel as if half of the posters (guess) are late for their Ivermectin boosters.
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@flozen said in Why is everything new being deleted from the "Fan Sites" category?:
I feel as if half of the posters (guess) are late for their Ivermectin boosters.
Conspiracy?
Are the takedowns the conspiracy? Or are the wild-ass guesses about the takedowns the conspiracy?
Only the Shadow knows!
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@flozen said in Why is everything new being deleted from the "Fan Sites" category?:
I feel as if half of the posters (guess) are late for their Ivermectin boosters.
You're right! Not only was I getting my booster, but I had to change my IV bag because it ran out of bleach. But now that I've had my litre of Clorox, I can return to the forum.
