@calatar said in Teenage knife fights are no big deal, say liberals:
@jsl76 I was replying to you…
I actually teach a martial art… and one which uses knives. And no, I don’t teach my students that they’re going to get cut…
I’ve watched the video. I still think it is a complete failure of training and understanding that the officer ended up shooting an individual. Possibly also a failure of equipment.
For example, wouldn’t a taser be far more effective? Obviously not guaranteed to be non-lethal, but not as likely as a live round to kill.
By the by, I’m also firearms trained by a police force (the fun of being a diplomat in hostile countries!).
My instructor (who is an instructor for uechi-ryu karate, BJJ, krav maga, and escrima) and the various instructors who visit our dojo are pretty consistent that if you're going to be engaged in knife defense, you should assume you will be cut. There's a lot of reasons to teach that approach; you may find some value in exploring the question on behalf of your students. It's not obvious that knife defense without a presumption of injury makes a ton of sense -- because when they're injured, their reaction to the attack is compromised if they're not prepped for it -- but to each his own.
It's also not obvious that in the 10 seconds from arrival to gunshot, that the officer had any opportunity to strategize an alternative solution. I don't know how he could have deployed a taser in time, to be honest. It's standard training for most U.S.-based police forces to shoot to kill if a person is wielding a deadly weapon. People can disagree, legitimately, as to whether this approach is better or worse. But if you accept that this is the standard training, I don't see how we could expect the officer to do anything other than what he did.
What it really boils down to is this: Under the current policing and use-of-force logic in most U.S. police departments, the shooting of Bryant was appropriate and justified. It's tragic, to be sure. But it fell within the scope of the officer's training. There's room to disagree as to whether this ought to be the logic of most police forces -- but that's a different, broader argument. People will disagree, but given the reality of the situation, I don't see an alterative that makes any sense. The Bryant case is a very, very weak hook for "police should be less violent" arguments, because there are many other, better, cases to shoehorn that perspective.