Posts made by hubrys

That's why they invented transmogs.

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RIP Chanandler Bong

This is the 2023 amendment approved by DeSantis and went into effect on July 1, 2023. The crossed-out words were removed from the codified statute, and the underlined words were added. I did your "research" for you. Stop being lied to by Fox News, OANN, Carlson, or whatever news source you rely on. This, below, is the REAL world and what the REAL law says.

@raphjd said in Rep. Mike Johnson elected 56th Speaker of the House:

I've done a bit of research and I'm finding articles from Florida that say it's below 4th grade.

I suggest you keep researching until you find where it's amendment changing the text was approved by the Governor on 5/17/2023 and went into effect on July 1, 2023.

You can find it here:

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1069

@raphjd Poor raphjd got his ass handed to him and now he's trying to change the subject.

You said the "Don't Say Gay" bill was about sex and preventing pornography in school libraries. You can have your own private opinion, but you don't get your own private facts.

I showed you what the actual law says. You were proven wrong.

Now you're tucking your tail and trying to throw out a red herring.

Wow, you're pathetic!

Fox News, OANN, Tucker Carlson, or whoever you were listening to about the "Don't Say Gay" bill was lying to you. You were lied to. Just admit it and learn from it.

@raphjd said in Rep. Mike Johnson elected 56th Speaker of the House:

OK, so it was a higher age than I remembered

Not only a higher grade level, but also it doesn't say SEX. The bill explicitly says

sexual orientation or gender identity

This isn't an anti-sex bill. It's an anti-LGBT bill.

@raphjd said in Rep. Mike Johnson elected 56th Speaker of the House:

You people put porn in school libraries and this is the blow back.

Then why didn't Florida pass a law to prevent porn in libraries? Again, the "Don't Say Gay" bill does nothing about pornography.

@raphjd said in Rep. Mike Johnson elected 56th Speaker of the House:

You put porn in school libraries

Also, why didn't Florida pass a law to ban putting pornography in school libraries? The "Don't Say Gay" bill doesn't do that.

As I pointed out, that bill has no effect on a book featuring heterosexual pornography. If a pre-K school library has a book called, "Baby's First Titty Fuck," this bill does nothing.

Now, if there's a book about Sally having two mothers, no nudity or discussion of sexual intercourse at all, then the bill WOULD ban that book.

@raphjd said in Rep. Mike Johnson elected 56th Speaker of the House:

The bill you are referring to say that you can't talk to kids below a certain grade (can't remember if it's below 3rd grade or including 3rd grade) about sex and/or sexuality.

Dumbass, I can tell you didn't read. I quote for you directly the law as it reads on Florida's law books right now. I will do so again since you couldn't read it the first time.

Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in prekindergarten through grade 8, except when required by ss. 1003.42(2)(n)3. and 1003.46. If such instruction is provided in grades 9 through 12, the instruction must be age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards. This subparagraph applies to charter schools.

And just in case you're thinking, "Oh, well that's just the general language they used. The law is really just about grooming," then let me dissuade you of that delusion.

If Florida had wanted to pass an anti-grooming law, then it could have done so using clear, explicit, unambiguous language. It didn't do that, because that's not what this Bill was about.

@blablarg18 said in Rep. Mike Johnson elected 56th Speaker of the House:

As to whatever laws you're going on about: they never banned gay discussions with kids - only pornographic discussions.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Let me quote the actual Florida law language, as it currently reads after amendment in 2023.

Fla. Stat. 1001.42(8)(c)(3) states:

"Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in prekindergarten through grade 8, except when required by ss. 1003.42(2)(n)3. and 1003.46. If such instruction is provided in grades 9 through 12, the instruction must be age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards. This subparagraph applies to charter schools."

Read it with your own goddamn eyes above. It's not about pornography. It's not about sex books. The "Don't Say Gay" bill specifically and explicitly forbids school personnel from any instruction involving sexual orientation or sexual identity.

It doesn't say, "Don't show kids books with titties and cocks." It's sexual orientation. Under Florida's law, a teacher legally CANNOT read that book about a girl having two dads. That's what Florida banned. Not pornography.

Now, I understand why you thought the law did something different. That's because the forces trying to erase LGBT people sold this law on the basis of protecting children from grooming. But the law was always anti-gay.

In fact, it doesn't even stop kids from seeing pornography. So long as the material is heteronormative (i.e., a man fucking a woman) then this law doesn't even ban it. It does nothing to protect children from inappropriate heterosexual content.

You were, in fact, sold a lie.

Also please note that the law has been expanded beyond elementary school children. It was amended to apply up to the 8th grade. And it extends beyond to 12th grade so long as anyone complains, as you know a conservative will. So, it de facto covers pre-K thru 12th grade now.

Don't bullshit me when you haven't even read the law itself.

@raphjd The Groomer Libel is homophobic because the proponents of it, including yourself, support things like "Don't Say Gay" bills. Such bills are explicitly homophobic.

For example, under Florida's bill young children could be read the following book by their teacher in school:

But those same students could NOT be read this book:

And the only difference between the two books is that the first one features a heteronormative family unit, and the second one does not. That's a bigoted policy.

Teaching children about the existence of LGBT families doesn't involve pornography. It no more involves discussing ass fucking than talking about mommies and daddies involves talking about pussy pounding.

I believe that the people propounding the Grooming Libel are doing so because they care for children about as much as I believe the racists propounding the Blood Libel against Jews just care about protecting Christian babies.

The Grooming Libel is just political correctness cover for being an open homophobe. It's a dog whistle. The true goal is to oppress homosexuals, and they'll use "protecting children" as the pretextual justification.

Do some gays molest children? Sure. However, the vast, vast, vast majority of sexual molestation of underage children is heterosexual. Why does it seem like the conservatives are only concerned with male/male grooming?

For example, where's the outrage at Matt Gaetz for paying for underage and "barely legal" prostitutes using his public VENMO account? I guess you can fuck an underage girl so long as you're an older man.

@blablarg18 said in Sheila Jackson Lee Addresses Leaked Audio Tape Of Her Viciously Berating Staff:

I bet @hubrys or other lib crackpots libs we've known, nodded their heads - think she's real

I don't even know who Sheila Lee is. I didn't read the OP. But I did want to express my thanks for allowing me to live, rent free, in your broken little head.

@blablarg18 said in Rep. Mike Johnson elected 56th Speaker of the House:

One thing Speaker Mike has: he seems to be relatively pro-free speech.

Yup, the author and lead sponsor of the Federal "Don't Say Gay" bill is very pro-free speech. </irony>

LINK: How Anti-LGBTQ+ Is Newly Elected House Speaker Mike Johnson? Very.

2005

Too bad he was a frequent opinion writer. Just google and I'm sure you can find many more than I did in just 5 minutes of searching.

2004

@blablarg18 I don't have to. Your argument is irrelevant. You're trying to use the concept that people change SOME opinions over time to prove that, for certain, he's changed THIS SPECIFIC opinion over time.

Except you have no evidence for that belief. The vast examples of his recent commentary and actions prove otherwise. He's still a homophobe.

@blablarg18 Seeing as he tried to pass a Federal equivalent of Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill, I don't really think his opinions of the gays has improved. In fact, he's one of the most homophobic members of Congress.

You should know who you're celebrating.