Yea, that's right. OBAMA is a SATANIC WHORE. He bombed seven nations and you want to give him a second nobel peace prize? What is your malfunction? How could you actually go along with that?
With this vulgar and flaming headline, and the four consecutive self-posts, you might be wondering, "Why is this thread still in P&D, and not moved to Rants & Raves, or more appropriately, locked?".
Funny – I was thinking the same thing.
Yea right flozen, policies are shaped around agriculture that affect our daily lives.
We can also say that rock music is political, modern art is political, our water-intensive lawns are political, breastfeeding in public is political – there are too many of these adjunct topics to include in P&D without diluting the core issues at hand.
Here, your entreaties for us not to eat meat for the sake of the animals, or our better health, falls more under social justice (toward animals) or wellness tips, respectively.
They are not quite politics as measured by the hundreds of threads that have preceded it in P&D. And the first "meat post," now moved to R&R, was particularly overheated, which didn't help matters.
Dude, you guys aren't even discussing the subject. You're the ones going on ranting about how it shouldn't be in a certain place just because you want a win. Every comment has nothing to do with the topic. You guys don't have anything better to do, obviously.
Right. No one is keen to address a topic that continues, up to this moment, to be incorrectly classified.
Even since it moved to Rants and Raves, your earlier, doppelganger thread "Eating Animals Is Unnecessary and Atrocious," has garnered a sterling zero responses to date. I would have thought you'd at least get a pity post from Frederick, or the dweeb currently posting a string of three-word replies for their meager point value, or to see his name in electronic print.
While your second thread here has a shoter diatribe, the topics are as similar as both sides of a butterflied pork chop. Neither belongs in P&D. And as the former thread was already moved to R&R, I look forward to the same, logical enforcement (aka, "buh-bye") for this newer thread, still misfiled in P&D.
Raphjd lives in England, which is 5 hours ahead of Eastern time. He usually does log on around this time. Be patient.
Agreed! And as an aside, it is no easy task, I'm sure, acting as the administrator (and at times, zookeeper) of this forum. He deserves our thanks, while at the same time, we continue our push for reforms that would provide a better, more civil place to conduct political debate.
Why is this thread still here? It was not implied in the first post that there's a connection between the topic and politics; therefore, it belongs in rants & raves. Then the initial post is followed by pointless other posts by the same poster, the original poster. This is what so many of us are complaining about. This is pointless spam that does not belong in this section. Raphjd, you've already moved one irrelevant topic to rants & raves. This one needs to go, too. It's time to put an end to this madness.
I am hoping that raphjd is just out, getting some groceries; or in, having a nice rest; to explain the silence, so far, on our requests spanning several issues – including a "formal report" I made earlier today -- re: this thread, and the ones with vulgar headlines.
In eight hours or so from now, it would be fair to receive at least one response -- somewhere! -- from our administrator, or the only conclusion left is that no action is in the works. In which case, the neo-cons can soon vent their inappropriate anger to their endless delight, in this crypt we leave behind, with no regret.
And some are trying not only to own the thread, but own the entire board as well. They are doing this not only by the number of posts and self-replies, but by affecting the tone of the entire board with each of their "contributions." They seem to have bullied most users away. Reasonable people don't have time for this shit.
Yes, the toxicity level has me on the verge of never participating in this thread again. My call for civility calmed things down for a little while but now the childishness is back in full force. It's really sad and raphjd needs to do something about this. I've taken up for him for being a decent moderator and keeping his moderating separate from his personal views, but something needs to be done about the multiple same-topic threads started by the same person (mhorndisk) and then the multiple self-replying to those topics by that same person (mhorndisk).
Yes, in a parallel universe, the four or five P&D progressives – most of whom are participating in today's discussion -- just got sick of trying to fix this sh-t, and moved to someplace like Queerty, which delighted the most hard-core GT neo-cons, who, going forward, could just rave among themselves on an otherwise dead board.
And some are trying not only to own the thread, but own the entire board as well. They are doing this not only by the number of posts and self-replies, but by affecting the tone of the entire board with each of their "contributions." They seem to have bullied most users away. Reasonable people don't have time for this shit.
True. Discussing these persons who act as "atomic topic generators" – with many threads of questionable value and unacceptable, vulgar headlines -- could even be its own thread, but here is good as well.
Like kudzu smothering trees, one or two individuals -- with their manic posting of multiple, throw-away threads -- are putting this forum into an imbalance. It will certainly not encourage gaining new posters -- and let's face it, P&D is fast becoming an echo chamber.
Suggestion to administrator: place a fair number -- say, four -- maximum new threads per person, per day. Those who abuse this limit should receive warnings, followed by a participation time-out (nice for temporary suspension). Please respond.
The description of this Board on the Forum Home Page is " Discuss politics and debate world issues." Take a look at the past week. Has this happened?
The board has been dominated by mostly one user, and perhaps two. many times the thread is simply multiple replies by the original poster, usually in the first hour and often in the first fifteen minutes. Presentation of facts by non-partisan third parties are dismissed out of hand and followed by personal attacks. There have been intimations of civil war.
Is this what most users want? Is this what the site owners want? Already the Recent Forum Topics had to be removed from the home page because even the thread topics offended users. And they did not try to engage in discussion.
I did try. But it has become painfully clear that the users that dominate this board are not interested in discussion, they are just interested in narcissistic platform for proclaiming their beliefs. I am frustrated because you, Raphjd, have done nothing to promote discussion. I am not talking about enforcing rules, per se. You are an active member of the board and enjoy the respect of all users. You should be intervening in threads to keep discussions on target and lower the temperature of the arguments. I noticed a moderator post to "Tone it down" in one post, but little else.Take a look at the last week. Is this what you want here? Most users have abandoned the board out of frustration. Sadly, uless things change, I will be adding myself to that list.
Agreed, and agreed. In addition, earlier today I shared with our Administrator (and am now sharing further) a request for him to be more pro-active in removing obviously flaming, off-topic threads as soon as identified.
Why for example, should we have to wade through threads such as today's THE NEW WORLD ORDER CAN SUCK MY DICK, or OBAMA: A SATANIC WHORE…? There should be no place for such anger-baiting headlines here -- and there will likely be more to follow in coming days. This is why we have Rants & Raves.
To raphjd, it would be very proper, and welcomed, to have a daily enforcement of your own P&D rules to identify and remove these antagonizing and vulgar threads at first sight, before they release their toxins.
"…Mhorndisk, however in multiple threads posts several replies in the first 15 minutes. I think his record is here: https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=51111.msg277877#msg277877
He posted 4 replies in the first ten minutes after the OP. It was just a rant, he certainly was not inviting discussion,
It has nothing to do with the content. It has to do with style.
I thought this board was meant to facilitate the free exchange of ideas, not simply be a platform to declare your beliefs.P.S. from the Rules for this Section:
'If you routinely post nothing but childish comments that do nothing to further the discussion, that is a NO NO.
If you can't or won't further the discussion, then ignore this section.'"
Yes, as in the example above, where multiple, consecutive same-author responses appear in mere minutes on a thread, a Warning should be given, and after a few Warnings, a "Time-Out" given on that person's contributing on this board.
These space-wasting, machine-gun sprays of self-responses are really in the realm of cyberbullying, an attempt to "own" the thread and push aside opposing ideas. And isn't that why we have the P&D forum at all – to exchange ideas in an organized fashion?
To our administrator: PLEASE make and apply rules to govern these abuses, which are clearly on the rise.
Funny.. I don't recall you complaining about a month ago when DrWas posted 13 new topics in one day. Is it possible you are selective about who you complain about?
I was writing about same-author, repetitive and consecutive posts within ONE thread – which IS the topic here -- not the formation of new, multiple threads. You're serving apples and oranges, with a side of reading comprehension issues.
Wow would that really make you feel like you won something for a change?
Here is why I add new replies:
Because people have already READ the original post, and when you "Edit," the people who have ALREADY read it, don't realize that it's been edited and new information has been added, so they don't read the edited additional part.
You just want this because you aren't able to defend yourself. Sorry if it's CONFUSING. You should learn how to pay attention to what's being said.
Oh, m, you are being disingenuous as to your current role as the P&D forum's serial multiple self-repeating poster.
You heap replies upon your own replies, ad infinitum, usually because you are in full-rage mode. Rather than adding new information, you are usually repeating the same idea or insult, five or six times in consecutive posts – which does not, however, increase its merit or legitimacy. Only yesterday, you were spinning like a top and posting the same trash talk, repeatedly, on the second page of:
https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=51052.20 "Trump cuts $22 Million from White House Budget"
So yes, this forum REALLY needs some numerical limitations, and/or warnings given, when these one-person daisy chains occur. It has a negative effect on the proper functioning of the board.
You are a pathetic person. Attacking the First Lady. What did she ever do to deserve that? You're a SICK individual. How dare you? You should be ashamed of yourself!
Oh, heavens. I can hardly keep up with you. I think, no matter how much more you embarrass yourself, and no matter how much further your train runs off the rails, you'll have to survive with just this third, and final, buh-bye. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Go ahead and tell us what YOU have done that deserves us to acknowledge your disrespect for the First Lady.
We're waiting… FOR NOTHING. Because we all know you aren't capable of handling or holding that light. You and your "she doesn't want to" garbage. You can't compare yourself with her, so quit attacking her. It's OBSCENE. And Absurd.
That kind of pure disgusting behavior is why you will continue to LOSE.
Oh, you're still in meltdown, flaming in a completely unnecessary second post?
Please enjoy this second serving of buh-bye. :cheers: :cheers:
If it's baseless, Truly, as you say, and that I don't know you, than show us what YOU have done. I suspect NOTHING. You sit there and attack people for not being an example of what you claim is good, but can you TRULY claim that you can hold a candle to that flame? Go ahead. You can attack her all you want, but you have nothing to show for yourself. You can say I don't know you - WHATEVER. You don't come close to her. PERIOD. Compared to her, you have no stone to throw. I bet compared to you, she has a pretty stellar record. You say she's not as good as you, go ahead, before you throw those stones, show us what you've done. Or shut up.
Who, on either side of the political fence here, has ever posted a resume of their private life for evaluation? Have you done so, to somehow atone for all your crude insults, and grotesque sexual innuendos about fellating public figures?
Dream on, buddy.
You took exactly nine minutes to respond. So, you clearly didn't review the citations I provided, which would allow you to at least comment with some degree of targeted relevance.
You're nothing but a loose cannon with loose quips, and unworthy of my carrying this conversation further. Buh-bye. :cheers:
Regarding your response above, mhorndisk, I do feel a certain amount of sympathy for Melania, who didn't sign on for the role of First Lady.
However, I feel no sympathy for her having lied about her illegal modeling work, as well as falsely claiming she wrote her convention speech "with as little help as possible":
http://www.today.com/news/melania-trump-convention-speech-i-wrote-it-little-help-possible-t100942
And I do question her decision-making skills, choosing "cyberbullying" as her FLOTUS cause, when her husband was already a renowned, serial Twitter ranter and raver.
The real howler here is, in your defending Melania, you ask, "Show me your website." Since you're obviously clueless, read a bit about Melania's pre-First Lady website, which she took down once it was revealed to have material factual inaccuracies, including the untruth that she received an undergraduate degree in Slovenia in design and architecture:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/289530-melania-trump-website-scrubbed-from-internet
With apologies to the current First Lady, when YouTube rubes begin comparing accomplishments on a Michelle vs. Melania basis, the truth must be told. In this example, Mrs. Obama graduated from Princeton, and later, Harvard Law School. For real.
Finally, stop stating that I've "done less than so-and-so." You know absolutely nothing of me as an individual, including my educational or charitable endeavors. It's a baseless and spurious claim, worthy of the cop hat, however unlikely that may be.
The main point that seems to be lost in these distracting points from the main point of the post: if they don't want to cooperate and just help the federal government make it easy and find out if there's vote fraud… there's vote fraud for sure. Who can really deny it? All I've heard is you guys sitting here making excuses as to why it shouldn't be a national issue. It is a national issue, and Trump's administration has exposed it and will continue doing so. If you don't want your voting records investigated, you have something to hide.
mhorndisk, you've demonstrated an impressive inability or unwillingness to grasp pppucci's repeated explanations, or if you prefer, study the reputable outside sources cited, that describe our three branches of government and their powers, in respect to voting and elections. For this reason alone, your follow-up postings are just unfocused complaints and completely useless.
5 Minutes. Funny. Laughable. Insane waste of money. 22 people to dress Michelle Obama.
If it is indeed, true, that Michelle's / Melania's "staff" has been reduced by a ratio of 24 (or 22) to five, it has little to do with Michelle's personal styling, and more to the fact that Melania's off to a really slow start – or more accurately, no start and no visible staff -- in the traditional areas of "causes" taken on by FLOTUSes -- in her case, the unbelievably ironic "cyberbullying." From last week...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/06/29/reminder-melania-trump-pledged-create-anti-cyberbulling-campaign/439247001/ , as excerpted:
"Days before the 2016 election, Melania Trump said in a speech that she intended to fight cyberbullying if her husband was elected.
But in the months since then, the first lady has not yet publicly made any efforts to do so. Back in May, USA TODAY reported that the effort was, per Trump's office, a work in progress.
"Stephanie Grisham, the first lady's spokeswoman, confirmed Thursday that Trump was 'continuing to be thoughtful about her platform.'"
Thoughtful…!?! I mean, we are 164 days into this administration -- one that is, of more importance, riddled with unfilled ambassadorships and vital government posts (just ask ol' slow-hand Tillerson). So, perhaps Mel is just taking her cues from the inner circle.
Thinking back, I wonder how many stylists it took to prep Melania during the 10 identified instances she illegally accepted payment as a model in the U.S., before getting her working papers?
https://apnews.com/37dc7aef0ce44077930b7436be7bfd0d "Melania Trump modeled in US prior to getting work visa"
For that matter, how many PR hacks and failed reporters were employed to write Melania's now-infamous speech at the Republican National Convention, with key passages plagiarized from… wait for it, wait for it... Michelle Obama...?
Did that wild-eyed YouTube cackler ever intelligently address any of these Melania-specific issues from the comfort of that fuzzy sofa? And congrats to Mrs. Trump, with her small staff – and to date, her exquisitely small contributions -- as FLOTUS.
And you can add to the roll-call of states recognizing, and refusing, this absurd Trumpian vanity project: Maryland, Delaware, and ruby-red (in presidential elections) Louisiana.
Louisiana Secretary of State Tom Schedler (R) said the presidential commission could purchase the limited information legally available to candidates running for office.
"You're not going to play politics with Louisiana’s voter data," he said in a statement.
States' rights advocates are a powerful force, even in these "United" States – another eighth-grade civics lesson for our woefully unprepared "leader."
Frederick, if you state that you are successful I accept it.
But even if I accepted every claim you made about the women around you while growing up – and what appears to be, at times, a challenging home life -- it would not validate your expanding these evaluations to all women.
Frederick, do/did you have a mother who cared for you? Sisters or aunts who were kind to you?
Have you ever shared with them your beliefs that, as women, their hormones give them "inferior brains"? Or, as in your other posts concerning women in this forum, do you belittle their appearance for sagging breasts, or their weakness due to menstruation-related issues?
You really ought to tell them.
As well, sorry to hear about the job-hunting difficulties in your youth, despite your self-described status as a genius, and oodles of white-male privilege. I'm sure your lack of success had nothing to do with personality, stability or trustworthiness issues.
