Posts made by agis

Done Tom. From ubuntu 10.04 . Noticed a slight slowdown from Italy too but honestly nothing specially worrying. Hence didn't think to report it.
We often experience many provider related problems.

Ok ok Bartje  ^-^ a short wait could spice thingies a little more but you might wanna not to make wait too much such a superb Dutchie babe. So, if you put the pics, I've decided I will put here a copyleft one of my overwhelmingly handsome face  :blind:. You might wanna all use it to keep at a distance worms, slugs and other annoying little insects. Woudn'it be an unbeatable opportunity?  :cheesy2:

P.S. Don't forget that if even Alcibiades had a little thing for Socrates one can never know.
So I leave you with a noble and ancient Italian say:

Ogni lasciata è persa.

E questa  te la traduci.  >:D :hug2:

@myrea:

Context… Damásio had a rather traumatic issue here with the deonthology and ethics of the medical class, there was a huge mind shift from the humane base of his generation and the actual one which is far more commercial... however not dwelling in that and charging to Asimov, since you are asking politely I think he is a sweet little boy in that area, he is overly naïf to the nature of the machinery in which he dwells, for me it's a pure pretense to define foundation, and more to consider that there will be change in such terms... I won't even call the nature of men in this, I'll call interest and unpolitical behaviour on it and History as representation, Mass media to finish it all up in a nice little package it's a Info high culture provided by market, you can throw Paranoia Corruption Conspiracy as Propaganda and all that knowledge is what really? So I would not count in a  second foundation, for all that Damásio lived and I observed it's a rather foundation 1 type B (make it simpler and more dangerous)

Ihihihihiiiih  :hehe: forget the deonthology and ethics of the medical class. I must avoid though, at the beginning, I shared exactly your opinion about Asimov myr  :bighug:. He seemed to me a frivolous inconsistent science fiction author  :blink:. Nothing comparable to the luxurious style of Stanislaw Lem or of the Strugatsky brothers (btw sadly Boris died in november 2012 in a deafening silence hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkady_and_Boris_Strugatsky). But after some due considerations I had to change my mind. First he was a chemist, then he was not only the author of the Foundation series but also of a thing like The Gods themselves, then again he had been a scientific popularizer even better imo than Carl Sagan but, above all, this Russian lent to the USA had been the only one who had found the courage of thinking to this thing as it was already unfolded and operative à la Star Trek.
Sure he had to write something to sell and to be readable by many readers of course cause we generally have this annoying necessity of making a living with our work ^-^
So here I think we have worked out by now the original James's subject. Dealing with the argument we have ended with is complex and potentially dangerous myr cause philosophy could look a fashionable game but, as a matter of fact,it's very serious and with possible social consequences as the sad Giordano Bruno's and other ones fado has showed.  

@agis:

The problem for a scientist of the second foundation is not so to raise one of the possible human attitudes over the other ones but to understand instead how many could they be and how could they work.

Pth mpf poor ol'mole was forgetting  ::). Once understood this kind of things, possibly finding them too in the so said "not human". How could you pretend to understand your doggies, your cats, the little babies who are not yet up to speak  … if they are speachless? :hehe:

Ihihihihihihii   It was quite an assist to you and Spinny speaking of Damasio wasn't it myr?  ^-^ and no, I'm not a fan of Derrida: I don't like the dualists's elaborated smokescreens. In the French environment you could find very close to mine positions in the thought of the late Paul Valery but this is another story (or not?).
Back in topic though, it was an assist cause, more than what you have already remembered about Antonio, one of his main basic interests is and has always been the revaluation of the feelings/emotional side. Of course an impertinent mole could object to Antonio that the true problem doesn't stand in that revaluation but in understanding the weakness of all those approaches which make the man not the master but the slave of her/his own artifacts.
The problem for a scientist of the second foundation is not so to raise one of the possible human attitudes over the other ones but to understand instead how many could they be and how could they work. Btw myr and Spinny do you know whom Isaac Asimov was and his idea of a second foundation?  ^-^

[off-topic]Little update:

tried the Transmission version in the Mint Nadia XFCE (Ubuntu 12.10) repos which is not the brand new 2.75 version but a 2.22 instead of my old present 1.93 and the peers shortage seems still there. Various qBittorrent trials will follow  
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:lovp: aaaaah love is in the air  :lovp:
The crowd wants now the pics of the handsome Bartje :drool:  :banana2: :bananaw: :mbounce: :mb2:

@myrea:

Hmm we have to consider the spectrum and range of emotions agis.. indifference and detatchment are very close to the anallitic point of logic however with different mechanisms, not that I'm going around logic as part of human emotions, I'm just wondering if you are not rather in the similitude of a more detatched perspective of Feeelingsss lalala than a logical analysis of the music and content, because even that analysis is based in a world of emotion written by and for that world… so that comprehension of romaticism is needed in it to be logical.

The Daddy issue is the curse of the most typical God, you want it to help you and you blame him when things don't work...

Ok myr in this detached objectivity one could attribute ideologically negative values or even not values at all cause, for instance, in the music domain, we could take into account the simple study of a score for a performance which would leave apart , at the beginning, value considerations. You must not worry though I'm not totally devoid of emotions babe  :hug2:. But a thing I was never up to was to live an emotional and a rational attitude together. When there was one of them it seemed to me I couldn't have  the other one at the same time. Very interesting studies about these matters have been performed in the phisicalist field of the neurosciences by a renowned compatriot of yours, Antonio Damasio and this very thing had also raised the philosophical interests much before as he himself had to notice in his main popular works . Following this path would lead us  elsewhere though. Back in topic I must admit  that   historical arrangement I had left you with has been commonly done/made by many authors but has never fully persuaded me. If we generally agree in attributing to the mind activity the physical place known as brain we must also acnowledge in the last 40000 and more years it doesn't seem to have undergone particular changes. I feel so easier to think that all our possible attitudes had to be already there indipendently from the historical,anthropological agreements. Btw myr, according to you, could it be possible for some not human animals to be religious/domatic or scientists?  ^-^

[off-topic]@Uwe:

then try qBittorrent, one of our Staff members with Kbuntu is happy with it.

Thank you Uwe! AS far as I will get a bit of time I will try it. Another thing could be trying the newer trasmission version as it is possible to find it in the repos of the Nadia Mint (It's a VM I'm setting now to check the best OSs upgrade I foresee next april)  :)[/off-topic]

[off-topic]@Uwe:

I've tried both torrents and see in my µTorrent the same number of peers than on the site. On both the download was immediate with an excellent download rate, though my µTorrent is set to be not connectible.

Possible problems client side then Uwe. Once upon a time I remember one of the now deprecated past µTorrent versions worked well with wine. Unsure now about the behaviour of 3 and over versions  :cry2:. Any linux junky mebbe?  ^-^[/off-topic]

@myrea:

Spintendo the uncertainty fugue is a both sides card, it allows more possibilities as allows more ends, tho I grant that it's on an emotional and nonlogic mainframe of a baby so a good and valid hypothesis, however cooperation is not entirely supported by evolution actually in order to cooperate you brain process and overall capabilities get lower, as an individual people work better than in groups, however in order to build or live socially cooperation is vital, aniway food for thought.

Agis I won't go to judicial moral since for me law and rights are very far apart from actual justice or moral, they act as a very flawed proxy, there are more loop holes and unmoral laws even for the period which they belong, than I rather know or care about… laws can also be fairly unsocial and unpopular to be socially moral, law takes birth in control over property, I am still going around why there even exist some laws, and then you have this mayhem of morals the individual anarchism or the society dystopia.. it's chisms all around, what matters is where does morality has root on, and yes it shows on all this things, but that is the show, we want the mechanism... and we already know that is all around "we want this as a basis and we don't want this as a basis" because experience says so... but what more forms the process? I'm going for a combination rather than only a basic thing ( science tell us that easy and simple route is the right one, but science has been fucking that up a lot so I'm believing this to be fairly more complex) I wonder too if anyone cares to ramble upon the origin of religion eheheh someone needed a daddy figure?

Well myr if we had to derive moral simply from imperatives I wouldn't see difficulties in admitting what you have written and the very thing that a moral/law is  neutral with respect to a "justice" whatever we want to denote with this concept. If  we still lived in Hammurabi's times we would be liable to the hands cut just for belonging to such a site and in commandaments succession the precept of god's sanctification comes much before the one prescribing to honour your parents  ;D.
Concerning the origin of religion an interesting thing could be that historically the religious/dogmatic attitude has been made antecede other attitudes. Especially the scientific one. Tell me more about the daddy bit though  ^-^

@Spintendo:

@agis:

If moral was based upon the feelings this kind of statement couldn't resist to  all the counterfactuals concerning the numerous cases when feelings have not dictated and still don't dictate moral but immoral behaviours."

Seeing cooperation as an evolutionary trait recognizable by infants suggests why all moral thought takes the form of feelings rather than rationally motivated thinking. Feelings are in the long-term more beneficial to us and to our concept of morality precisely because we have limited control over their emotional effects. This limited control introduces an element of unexpectedness to what we experience, and people invariably learn more from unexpected things in life than they do from the expected ones.

Spinny!!    :cheesy2: you have made me remember  this so fine and romantic thing of my youth!  :hug2:

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBcHUe4WeQ

Feelings nothing more than feeeeeelings ….  

But  even in those times I had  realized a thing: in respect with the same song I could put myself into different attitudes.

If I put myself in an emotional attitude it seemed to me the song was very close, sorta totally implemented into my subjectivity with exclusion of everything else.
But if I put myself into a rational attitude it seemed to detach and going back  to belong to an objectivity where you could even deem it with some harsh adjective like mawkish or soppy.

So, what do you/I/we all do/make when we act/think in an emotional/sentimental way or in a rational way?  

@myrea:

@agis:

No Spinny I think the foundation of moral is simply the imperative. Then so said of course,starting from that, you can build upon  and introduce feelings or other kind of possible constructions including the possibility the imperative can be found in an ex-post objectivity thanks to the intervention of deity/ies. If moral was based upon the feelings this kind of statement couldn't resist to  all the counterfactuals concerning the numerous cases when feelings have not dictated and still don't dictate moral but immoral behaviours  :).

And that is basicly what happens for many reasons, before all the imperative and action-reaction develpoment are known to come after the emotional response development, you hit a baby he/she cries and he/she does not know yet what is reflection in mirror or that an hidden object has not vanished from existence, this has been studied in the babies psy and explains most of the psy disturbia like mental illness also, morals are a concept and immorality lies inside it because it's only an adaptation of regular morality, the hormonal core,  the emotions core (limbic system) is older than the logic core (lobes) in the brain, and your hypocampus are actually worked up to save memory emotionally,  what happens in the maturity of a mind is that your superego (conscience) the logic core,  refreins your ego (emotional needs) the limbic, in order to maintain social moral as pertained by the developped imperative… however this is by no means a peacefull conflict, or else we wouldn't have mental illness, actually the ego and the limbic are so powerfull that most of the times you know you are making things wrong and illogic and you blame it on hormones...and there lies a whole million dollar question why is it so easy to bend moral, if not because the imperactive actually is taking birth and operating in an emotional perspective or mainframe. Other Question is the mental preposition of the psycho and sociopath there the cut of emotional connection create an associal imperative...  so I suppose we would have to find a consensus to all psychic disturbia and trauma to be logic, in order to find the birth of morals in the human psy.

Yes myr these are all possible consecutive considerations imo. The possibility of seeing the moral problem either from a collective or from an individual point of view with all those  social misfits many of us might have still experienced; the possible  bonds with psy and neurophysiological considerations (even if we must admit that already a philosopher like Leibniz was not persuaded by them for a number of reasons). I would add besides, from an essentially social point of view, the juridical  side of the moral where the good becomes innocent and the bad/evil becomes guilty. After all, much before the mankind could know anything about psy or neurophysiology, moral started to come into the limelight in the form of juridical collective imperatives like the so said commandaments or ancient codes like Hammurabi's. There you could think that already since those times , a selection of the imperatives series pushed its way for the necessity of regulating and damping the social conflicts between gropus and/or societies of improving complexity

[off-topic]Here it is Uwe. I've dloaded this little torrent just to take the screenshot and let you understand better.  :hug2:
As you can see, indicated by the red arrows I've added later, the number of peers acnowledged by the client is constantly lower than that showed by the site. In this case the client sees roughly half of them but it is not always the case: they are always less but the % may vary. In this case though the bug, provided it is one, is uninfluent cause with 423 Kb/s we are at a very good rate of exploitation of my modest bandwidth and on a practical note it would be mebbe useless to see all the 51 peers if these ones are already enough. Different the case when you have 10 peers on the site, 5-6  seen by the client and only 1-2 connecterd with througputs of a couple of Kb/s facing files of 1 Gb or more  ^-^
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[off-topic]Et voilà Uwe

https://www.gaytorrent.ru/details.php?id=2493

the torrent was this one.

Concerning the number of available peers instead, the one I see connected in Transmission is constantly lower if compared to the one displayed in the site. I had never seen that as a problem to report as long as it has been generally possible to download/upload the torrent file within my connection bandwidth possibilities. :)[/off-topic]

ah ok thank you Dax  I've experienced an erratical behaviour concerning that  :blink:

Uwe? Does a daily limit for the additional pictures you can upload exist?

@Spintendo:

@agis:

Personally I'd consider those reactions as lead by this opening pleasure  more than an awareness of a good and right which, in themselves, could even not exist at all. Right?"

The fact that 80% of these infants demonstrated some kind of feelings towards the "helpful" puppets as opposed to the "unhelpful" puppets may indicate an inherent attraction towards these helpful behaviors concomitant with an inherent dislike of the unhelpful behaviors. As people are mostly attracted to things which are pleasing to them, your observation would naturally be the correct one.

Since feelings form the foundation of all moral thoughts — and all babies have feelings (they laugh and cry) — this Yale study may say something quite profound about the origins of human morality.

No Spinny I think the foundation of moral is simply the imperative. Then so said of course,starting from that, you can build upon  and introduce feelings or other kind of possible constructions including the possibility the imperative can be found in an ex-post objectivity thanks to the intervention of deity/ies. If moral was based upon the feelings this kind of statement couldn't resist to  all the counterfactuals concerning the numerous cases when feelings have not dictated and still don't dictate moral but immoral behaviours  :).

@Uwe:

We need users testing it and feedback if it works correctly or if there are issues.

Ooook thanks Staff for this unbeatable opportunity  ^-^ :cheers: Now then some anedoctal molish feedback for the Überbear Uwe. Tested freeleech on 50 torrents and everything went good with the exception of a single torrent named BlackDraft which, despite more than 30 seeders, put more than 3 hours to start for some reason. With 1/50 of failure we are speaking of a 2% which is not much but could prove annoying for a seeder who had bought a limited freeleech time for a file to see it impact against such a problem. Generally speaking the system seems very good for the low bandwidth user who, even engaging quickly in a new seed, might have difficulties in keeping a good ratio anyway against the fast dloaders/uploaders. It didn't prove in my  case very useful instead when applied to the revitalization of old torrents. I had to give up on two of them. It seems to me that when the seeders number falls under 12-13 the tracker has difficulties to  allocate the already meager resources leaving you  eventually often for hours and hours with  one or a couple of peers and file trasfer speeds of no more than a handful of kbs.
Pratical example: the torrent named Triumvirate soccer play2 (or something like that): generous freeleech time, constant visibility of 10 seeders in the site, never seen more than 1 or 2 in the tracker though, hence hours of 1-2 kbs/sec tranfers –-> given up despite the freeleech. 

Pth don't ask.
What did I do then after all let alone the noble worms swallowing art?  :-X
Nothing and then what? I found myself of this strange pink-violet color and full member  :crazy2:
But full of what?  ???
Pth don't answer  :hehe: