I understand your problems pastol and I'm not sure there are ready made soutions. :-
It seems to me one should work at the level of the mind activity but I must admit I don't feel to have (yet) a method to suggest. Only, for now, sorta socratic research attempts which, as such, cannot be individual practices. 
Hmm mid medieval period, I actually like armoury Agis you should check this one hxxp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZVIRkrGR5Kw/TMgkAhw6q8I/AAAAAAAAAkU/PA7vqf7fT4k/s1600/d.sebastiao.jpg tho unsuited for a mole it's quite worth the view, and the delphin has quite the story for it would be a very queer king which vanished in mid of a battle in the fog, which is becoming quite the feature of the Hapsburg family both in the bed preferences and the overly dramatic deaths.
Nice rig myr ! very unsuited for me indeed but we can give it as a gift to Lars. It would look terrific on him! :cheesy2: moreover that poor guy needs a protection too cause it could prove too easy for me to dribble him passing under his crotch ouch! 
;D
j/k Lars :hug2:
Thanks, I can see where you are coming from and yes the underlying question is certainly about religious attitudes.
I guess what I am trying to really drill down to is the morality factor and religion as an influencer, did morality begin with
religion or has it been an evolving concept/characteristic within human nature?We know that many persecutions, scare tactics and more have been driven by religious organizations as history shows us, and yet despite these events, has religion saved us from a greater evil by binding us with morality and in effect helped us to evolve to the modern attitudes we have on morality?
I am not saying that every country, race or individual has the same moral consdierations, only that there is by and large a number of accepeted morals throughout the world, for example theft and murder to name but two. I am not particulalry good at puting my mindset into words, it is difficult to actually qualify what I am atempting to say.
Thanks to you too james Whence am I coming from btw? :cool2:
Concerning the following question I'd say approximately the second one you have written.
Approximately because you put the question in terms of derivation, evolution or reciprocal influence. These things stand as always possible of course as ex-posts (that is to say things done/made after) but, while I assume a religious attitude, it doesn't seem to me I'm doing/making the same things I'm doing/making when I assume a moral/ethical attitude otherwise we wouldn't need two different words to denote them: religion/faith and moral/ethics.
Concerning the difficulty to actually qualify your mindset through words, I wouldn't worry about that. The language seems to be the more refined human means to give our mind activity a facies publica (that is to say the possiility of a public recognition) but you/I/we all generally experiment a bottleneck feeling passing from the mind activity to the words/language. For the simple reason mind activity comes before and is always richer than its exhibition :hug2:
Ok james age quod agis seems to be a strange tautological statement because it can literally translate into do/make what you do/make.
Latins, to be precise, added a sense of achievement: do/make well/adequately what you do/make.
Following, if you want, this attitude, when you think to religion - you write - lots of different thoughts go through your mind. There is of course nothing bad in that because it doesn't seem in principle we have limits to the mental enrichment of a construction but, if you start from the enrichments, the heart of the problem is left untouched. So, the preliminary question should be imo:
What do you/I/we all do/make when we undertake a religious attitude?
shakes head What will the world do without Photoshop…
Well said geo! there is no comparison between my nice vintage armour and those ugly Photoshop touchings. Bleah! ![😕](https://community.gaytorrent.ru/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/apple/1f615.png?v=hvqg2qn0nb4 ":-\")
I will choose Lars then :cheers:
In that case the armour can give a nice protection too. Especiallly the steel underpants. Rumor has it he kicks very well for some reason ^-^
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Success!!! :cheesy2: I like them both!!! :cheers:
Now myr and Lars you could give me for X-mas one of those lovely ancient armours.
This one seems perfect for a mole. ^-^
wat wil je van ons weten, haha?
Zeg het met emoticons ^-^
:drool2: :bighug: 
:bananaw: :bsex: :ok1:
:hehe:
Yup agreed with geo this time Lars.
Nobody of course is saying Aaron is ugly but he is to my taste a little too clichety, stereotyped. The usual male Barbie.
I wouldn't pretend to suffer from a toothache if I found such a babe in bed for X-mas eh Lars but if I had the choice between him and you I wouldn't have doubts 
Now just to avoid you get a little swollen-headed about that young impudent man :fight: , if you really wanna see a slightly nicer than you babe you can always goto check Jey somewhere
for instance here
hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyBQ-JgmAd0
;D :hug2:
You sneaky litttle mole. I'm pretty sure you hid the carrot there
No, no, no dear sir I cannot help you there 8). Here we deal with the noble carnivorous art of "worms swallowing".
For carrots you must address the bunny. Same teller's window upstairs ^-^
ok it must be the cheese ::)
Now one should tell a poor ol' mole how these little bastards dare… 
....
ok back in the hole :hot2: :hot2:
oh well maybe escorted by a well endowed Portuguese stallion one could always make an exception :hehe:
ahaha you put me in a far too high status "stallion" ahaha… but I thought you a mole and see there a hyena
Well said myr!!! I cannot imagine why they put there only those innocent and polite animals :cry2:
Hyenas haven't the palest idea of the moles gluttony for the fat and juicy… worms :drool: 
hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngy02V3PSXE
Very nice myr ^-^ Following the anthropological bit we could go on a lot while you might have imagined mine was a more "philosophical" focus.
This is mebbe too serious and not very chit chat though. We will come back to that in future perhaps :hug2:
Running.
Running as usual in the mild mediterranean winter for the tired X-mas gifts ritual.
Slowing down, stopping for the green spot of a park, some benches, the awareness of some fresh open nightfall air.
I already know of course I'm running there into the usual things too: dirt, waste papers, other vandalistic signs of a lesser social disaffection, a metropolitan corruption of human and not human thingies.
Often in these places we happen to meet our "loser fellas". People owning nothing but the rags they dress with and the things they can carry; people nobody wanna see around, deprived of friendships and relationships, confined beyond any possible welfare and the good amount of bureaucracy and nuisances every possible welfare comes with.
And this evening too, sitting on the bench in front of mine, one of them.
It's an old woman this time. She is sitting there more rigidly than sedately. She is a bunch of stuff covering her body, more a wrapper than some contents.
She doesn't glance back to me because the glance is given by a curiosity and the curiosity is given by the participation of your/my/ourselves to the other from your/my/ourselves and vice versa. She is stagnant there with no programs different from a simple biological survival.
And you would have slipped out and far from me as usual if I hadn't noticed a detail. Through one of the transparent plastic bags you had disorderly stuffed your things into, one could still read, in lively colours, on an old fashion magazine page, an advertising sign:
a woman is not a woman if she hasn't secrets
Here it is. The communicaton à la page, the precious and persuasive opulence vezzo, the ideological garbage cementing a conniving society!
Here it is. A drifting, taken out of context communication which you have to find during an even too long moment in the most cheater, false and cynical of the places!
I stand up suddenly and, vexed, go away.
Butt, butt, butt… while I'm walking away, a strange, curious smile is coming back to my lips.
It's a hopeful smile.
The hope that in that deep hollow hole you fell in, without digging, so close to me you don't remember.
You don't remember anymore.
How to read. ^-^
ihihihihihihihihih bears a gay dongiovanni would have there a good l**Augh :hehe:
Madamiiino il catalogo è questo delli belli che amò il padron miooo… Un cataaaaaaalooogo egl'èèèèèè che ho fatt'iio..... :lolp:
hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INF9r5jju0A
"lough" poor ol' mole
ihihihihihihihihih bears a gay dongiovanni would have there a good lough :hehe:
Madamiiino il catalogo è questo delli belli che amò il padron miooo… Un cataaaaaaalooogo egl'èèèèèè che ho fatt'iio..... :lolp:
hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INF9r5jju0A****
Now myr all these things seemed ingeniously constructed but I didn't feel to be left with a criterion for a choice ???
- lazy aproach = let the wavelength come to you
- overworked = go and seek the wavelength
- romantism = let us meet halfway
- actually very realistic for the time, the wavelength is emited the attention of perception of the being is too and they meet in medium, if they could articulate that the medium is the retina to brain process…
Manco mal (which means not bad at all) myr ^-^
Of course since the values cannot be deduced from the facts, this way, after the science, we would get outta the gnoseology too getting to a moral field instead.
Anyway of Pythagoras, the pythagoreans, the atomists we dunno much and our scarce sources are also affected by interpretation problems. About the ones you seem to prefer, Plato and Aristotle, we know much more instead but this would deserve one of those boring posts. So how do you actually face the problems when you study the colours myr? ^-^
