Are yall gay men who support trump
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@blablarg18 and you agree with me that they should ban "trans panic defense" in all states?
Você é TUGA ou HUE BR?
Do you wanna talk?
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its a fad thing.... fashionable to be contrarian and oh so special loving trump when clearly he is a fools choice. They are all shit. Both sides. The system is fucked until theres a third or more party. Trump was never the actual answer to the problems but a symptom of what a terrible system puked out in one red hat wearing gasbag.
America is fucked till we get more parties.
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@PedrocaWest Yet again, you agree with what I said. Thanks!
@cp2000 Congratulations, you just advocated for America First / MAGA.
Republican-Democrat "Uniparty" is stupid & fucked.... I agree, have said it across thousands of posts.
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@PedrocaWest said in Are yall gay men who support trump:
@blablarg18 and you agree with me that they should ban "trans panic defense" in all states?
Are you saying that trans people should be allowed to lie to their sex partners about what is between their legs?
To me, that's a form of rape.
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We could establish fascist panic defense, an individual was seized by an uncontrolled fit of rage upon discovering that his lover was a pro-Trump transphobic. To me fuck with a closeted trumpist it's a form of rap.
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How pathetic.
Your bullshit example isn't the same as a straight guy having sex with a person he though was a woman, only to have the "woman's" dick fall out of her panties. Likewise, for a gay guy to think he's having sex with a man, only for her to say "eat my pussy" or a lesbian to think she's having sex with another woman, only for him to say "ride my cock".
I know, that's too complicated a concept for liberals to understand.
It's funny how under Obama it became acceptable for women to be able to claim rape for sex they later regretted for whatever reason, but people like you can't understand the concept of rape by omission or deceit.
BTW, real trans people agree that they should be honest with their sex partners. Not surprisingly, only the Queers say it's acceptable to lie about it. Then again, Queers are easy to spot.
Next, you'll claim that sex with little kids is ok, because you hate Trump.
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@raphjd I didn't said it, but you understood it. So your way to read this is the problem, not what I said.
Someone who formerly already knew the person was trans and dated them to do a hate crime could just claim he didn't knew in bad faith, just to avoid a heavier sentence, it was already used in trials lots of times and that why it was banned in a lot of places, the same thing that occurred with "gay panic" defence acts.Sometimes trans people don't have "whats was between their legs" anymore, so the agressor panicked based on a ghost in his head or because they thought it would make them less of a men if they fucked a pussy from someone that was not a woman since birth.
It's not rape to the law, except if the person actually rapes the other one, it can be judged at the most as a sexual fraud and it would be a loooong trial to prove the intention of fraud.
And this becomes way more fucked up if you remember that people says they can always spot who is trans and who's not. So it's a weak or shameless defence strategy.
People forget that even when they are with another person naked in a room they can always say 'I don't wanna do this anymore" and leave. If the other still want it the other person is a jerk and it would become a rape. And it is valid to all cases, not only trans related ones.
You saying it this way make you look like you agree they should beat or murder someone because they panicked. Is that what you think?
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@raphjd Agree. Maybe end "trans panic defense" and "trans lying offense", as related pair.
Self-defense claims are based 1. proportionality, 2. how "average reasonable person" should perceive threat level, BUT, 3. jury allowed to decide both.
If someone gets raped by force, can they kill attacker? Why? or why not? or when? at what point?
If someone is raped by deceit / fraud - When does that crime, and ethically it is crime, rise to level of being raped by force?
Or, as when woman regrets after she fucked like whore: should claim be disallowed - because it is too easy to abuse?
Do we allow tindr / grindr people to lie about age? dick size? income? origins? HIV status?
I don't know. I pose questions.
But gender isn't sex - gender is how you feel & present, while sex is your chromosomes & how you cum.
To lie about your basic sex, does feel worse than lie about your age.
As healthy Gay dude, I never want to date anyone without at least 1 testicle, at least 1 Y choromosome, & prostate & dick both work. Sorry - it's true tho.
I can totally see, if healthy Straight dude feels same way about genuine tits, XX, & ovary / no dick or testicles.
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@blablarg18 I need to say, I like it more when we actually talk instead of we fight based in pre made ideas of each other.
I believe sexual fraud is already a crime in most places, right?
Like you said, proportionality matters.
If a guy goes to Thailand and finds out a lady is a ladyboy, most of the time he’ll just say, “Oh, I thought you were cis, sorry, I’m not into this,” and leave. That’s sexual preference. Plenty of gay and straight men respect trans people but just aren’t into certain bodies, and that’s totally fine. No one should be forced into anything.
Now, if someone is actually raped, and I mean real rape, not “I changed my mind after”, self-defense is justified, even if it ends in death.
But in cases of sexual fraud, that’s something courts can deal with. The person who lied could end up with a criminal record and be forced to pay damages, and the victim gets justice without committing a violent crime.
In cases of deceit or fraud, we’re talking about something very different. It might be hurtful, unethical, even criminal depending on the situation, but it’s not a direct physical threat that justifies a violent response. That’s why we have the legal system. You sue. You file charges. You don’t stab someone.
(and we have some laws about HIV status, people are allowed to hide it, but they are not allowed to pass the IST).
And you're right, it can be tricky. There are gray areas. People lie on dating apps all the time, about age, status, income, even intentions. And yeah, some of that crosses ethical lines, especially if it affects consent. But we don’t condone violence in response to those either. We deal with it through law, not fists. That "something panic" logic has been used to justify beatings and worse. So we need to be really careful not to start recycling it with a new target.
About sex and gender, I get your preferences, and you’re totally entitled to them, I have mine too and I think most of gay have their own even with cis dude, some are into hunks, or into twinks, or into daddies, os tops only, or bottom-only, or have a kink for something ythat is not a general kink.
Also, we need to remember that some cis men with testicles and dicks don’t have a Y chromossome, nature is weird and nobody asks a chromossome testing to anyone except in very specific cases.
And I think you are the first person with a previous transphobic pov who already knew the difference between gender and sex, most of them claim both are the same, that's exausting to keep correcting, thank you for not making me repeat it.
We all agree: no one should ever be pressured to have sex with someone they’re not into. Period.
But that’s not what most of these "trans panic" defenses are about. They’re not about preference, they’re about using someone’s identity as an excuse for dehumanization and crime, and that’s where it turns ugly.
No one's saying lies can't be harmful. But not all harm justifies violence. And not all lies are big lies or harmful (switches that are bottoms are proof of this). The right place to deal actual with deceit, sexual or otherwise, is the justice system. Otherwise we’re justifying chaos.
