Are yall gay men who support trump
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@blablarg18 and you agree with me that they should ban "trans panic defense" in all states?
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its a fad thing.... fashionable to be contrarian and oh so special loving trump when clearly he is a fools choice. They are all shit. Both sides. The system is fucked until theres a third or more party. Trump was never the actual answer to the problems but a symptom of what a terrible system puked out in one red hat wearing gasbag.
America is fucked till we get more parties.
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@PedrocaWest Yet again, you agree with what I said. Thanks!
@cp2000 Congratulations, you just advocated for America First / MAGA.
Republican-Democrat "Uniparty" is stupid & fucked.... I agree, have said it across thousands of posts.
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@PedrocaWest said in Are yall gay men who support trump:
@blablarg18 and you agree with me that they should ban "trans panic defense" in all states?
Are you saying that trans people should be allowed to lie to their sex partners about what is between their legs?
To me, that's a form of rape.
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We could establish fascist panic defense, an individual was seized by an uncontrolled fit of rage upon discovering that his lover was a pro-Trump transphobic. To me fuck with a closeted trumpist it's a form of rap.
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How pathetic.
Your bullshit example isn't the same as a straight guy having sex with a person he though was a woman, only to have the "woman's" dick fall out of her panties. Likewise, for a gay guy to think he's having sex with a man, only for her to say "eat my pussy" or a lesbian to think she's having sex with another woman, only for him to say "ride my cock".
I know, that's too complicated a concept for liberals to understand.
It's funny how under Obama it became acceptable for women to be able to claim rape for sex they later regretted for whatever reason, but people like you can't understand the concept of rape by omission or deceit.
BTW, real trans people agree that they should be honest with their sex partners. Not surprisingly, only the Queers say it's acceptable to lie about it. Then again, Queers are easy to spot.
Next, you'll claim that sex with little kids is ok, because you hate Trump.
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@raphjd I didn't said it, but you understood it. So your way to read this is the problem, not what I said.
Someone who formerly already knew the person was trans and dated them to do a hate crime could just claim he didn't knew in bad faith, just to avoid a heavier sentence, it was already used in trials lots of times and that why it was banned in a lot of places, the same thing that occurred with "gay panic" defence acts.Sometimes trans people don't have "whats was between their legs" anymore, so the agressor panicked based on a ghost in his head or because they thought it would make them less of a men if they fucked a pussy from someone that was not a woman since birth.
It's not rape to the law, except if the person actually rapes the other one, it can be judged at the most as a sexual fraud and it would be a loooong trial to prove the intention of fraud.
And this becomes way more fucked up if you remember that people says they can always spot who is trans and who's not. So it's a weak or shameless defence strategy.
People forget that even when they are with another person naked in a room they can always say 'I don't wanna do this anymore" and leave. If the other still want it the other person is a jerk and it would become a rape. And it is valid to all cases, not only trans related ones.
You saying it this way make you look like you agree they should beat or murder someone because they panicked. Is that what you think?
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@raphjd Agree. Maybe end "trans panic defense" and "trans lying offense", as related pair.
Self-defense claims are based 1. proportionality, 2. how "average reasonable person" should perceive threat level, BUT, 3. jury allowed to decide both.
If someone gets raped by force, can they kill attacker? Why? or why not? or when? at what point?
If someone is raped by deceit / fraud - When does that crime, and ethically it is crime, rise to level of being raped by force?
Or, as when woman regrets after she fucked like whore: should claim be disallowed - because it is too easy to abuse?
Do we allow tindr / grindr people to lie about age? dick size? income? origins? HIV status?
I don't know. I pose questions.
But gender isn't sex - gender is how you feel & present, while sex is your chromosomes & how you cum.
To lie about your basic sex, does feel worse than lie about your age.
As healthy Gay dude, I never want to date anyone without at least 1 testicle, at least 1 Y choromosome, & prostate & dick both work. Sorry - it's true tho.
I can totally see, if healthy Straight dude feels same way about genuine tits, XX, & ovary / no dick or testicles.
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@blablarg18 I need to say, I like it more when we actually talk instead of we fight based in pre made ideas of each other.
I believe sexual fraud is already a crime in most places, right?
Like you said, proportionality matters.
If a guy goes to Thailand and finds out a lady is a ladyboy, most of the time he’ll just say, “Oh, I thought you were cis, sorry, I’m not into this,” and leave. That’s sexual preference. Plenty of gay and straight men respect trans people but just aren’t into certain bodies, and that’s totally fine. No one should be forced into anything.
Now, if someone is actually raped, and I mean real rape, not “I changed my mind after”, self-defense is justified, even if it ends in death.
But in cases of sexual fraud, that’s something courts can deal with. The person who lied could end up with a criminal record and be forced to pay damages, and the victim gets justice without committing a violent crime.
In cases of deceit or fraud, we’re talking about something very different. It might be hurtful, unethical, even criminal depending on the situation, but it’s not a direct physical threat that justifies a violent response. That’s why we have the legal system. You sue. You file charges. You don’t stab someone.
(and we have some laws about HIV status, people are allowed to hide it, but they are not allowed to pass the IST).
And you're right, it can be tricky. There are gray areas. People lie on dating apps all the time, about age, status, income, even intentions. And yeah, some of that crosses ethical lines, especially if it affects consent. But we don’t condone violence in response to those either. We deal with it through law, not fists. That "something panic" logic has been used to justify beatings and worse. So we need to be really careful not to start recycling it with a new target.
About sex and gender, I get your preferences, and you’re totally entitled to them, I have mine too and I think most of gay have their own even with cis dude, some are into hunks, or into twinks, or into daddies, os tops only, or bottom-only, or have a kink for something ythat is not a general kink.
Also, we need to remember that some cis men with testicles and dicks don’t have a Y chromossome, nature is weird and nobody asks a chromossome testing to anyone except in very specific cases.
And I think you are the first person with a previous transphobic pov who already knew the difference between gender and sex, most of them claim both are the same, that's exausting to keep correcting, thank you for not making me repeat it.
We all agree: no one should ever be pressured to have sex with someone they’re not into. Period.
But that’s not what most of these "trans panic" defenses are about. They’re not about preference, they’re about using someone’s identity as an excuse for dehumanization and crime, and that’s where it turns ugly.
No one's saying lies can't be harmful. But not all harm justifies violence. And not all lies are big lies or harmful (switches that are bottoms are proof of this). The right place to deal actual with deceit, sexual or otherwise, is the justice system. Otherwise we’re justifying chaos.
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"In the heat of the moment" is a defense or mitigation that can be used. The most common is when a guy comes home and catches his wife fucking another man, so he harms them. I can see that gender fraud could have he same thing.
California ended the law that criminalized the intentional spreading of HIV/AIDS and STDs/STIs without telling the other person. I don't remember his name, but a state-level Senator is pushing to liberalize California's sex laws.
The 1999 movie Boys Don't Cry (true story & Hilary Swank won an Oscar for it) the trans man was accused of fucking the girls, but it was with her fingers or a dildo. She was tortured and killed.
How do you view what she did, since it was physical penetration through fraud. The victim's brother and brother's friend(s) did the torture and killing.
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How about a legal system that prevents rapists from being deported?
How about a legal system that says that a rapist won't go to prison because his culture is different?
How about a legal system where you get more time for a mean social media post than rapists do?
How about a legal system where men who rape women and kids instantly become trans (no transition other than clothes) so they get sent to a women's prison so they have a steady pool of victims?
How about a legal system where 1 religion has many protections, but the rest don't, especially Jewish?
How about a legal system that allows homophobia, transphobia, etc, etc, if based on religious beliefs, but criminalizes hatred of religion if it's based on how the religion treats LGBTs?
This is the UK, but a lot of it applies throughout the west.
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@raphjd You're kind of proving my point here - again.
We started off talking about how generalizing the worst cases from a group leads to dangerous, unfair treatment of the whole group. And now you’re listing every exaggerated or exceptional case you can find, often out of context, to justify your mistrust of trans people or liberal systems.
Let’s unpack this a bit.
Yes, "heat of the moment" can sometimes be used as a legal defense in extreme cases, but it's not a free pass for violence, especially not murder. That’s why we have courts, judges, and due process. Comparing finding your partner cheating to discovering someone is trans without your prior knowledge is a false equivalence. One is betrayal within an existing relationship, the other is often a reflection of a cultural stigma where trans people are still afraid for their lives just for being honest.
You brought up Boys Don’t Cry. Do you really want to use a brutal, real-world case of torture and murder to argue against the victim, a trans man? Even if you question his choices, you know that nothing in that story justifies the violence he suffered. That wasn’t about “sexual fraud”, that was about deep-seated hatred, and you're dangerously close to excusing it.
You also keep bringing up legal flaws, yes, some of them are real. The idea that rapists declare themselves trans to abuse the system is concerning, and it should be investigated. But again: fix the law, don’t demonize trans people as a group. That’s the whole point. In a functioning society, left and right should come together to say “How do we protect people without trampling others?”, not “Let’s punish an entire minority because someone took advantage of a loophole.”
Same goes for religious exemptions. I agree that no religion should be above criticism, and no one should be allowed to justify hate or abuse based on “faith.” But instead of that being a reason to target a specific religion or minority, it should be used as a reason to ensure equality under the law, no double standards, no matter who you are.
You say people get more time for tweets than for rape. If that’s true, then the problem is with the sentencing system, not with trans people, or queer people, or Muslims, or liberals in general. Reform should be based on fairness, not fear or resentment.
And let’s be honest: many of these stories you bring up sound cherry-picked, and the way you frame them makes it hard to tell what’s fact, what’s tabloid distortion, and what’s personal bias. The idea that "liberals" created a system where "scum" gets protected and law-abiding people are oppressed? That’s a convenient but simplistic narrative. In reality, every political side has flaws, but when your answer to every social challenge is “blame the left,” it stops being analysis and starts sounding like ideology.
I’m not saying you don’t raise real issues. I’m saying you use those issues to build a wall of distrust, and then you pretend that anyone who disagrees must be naive, blind, or corrupt.
We can talk about reform. We can talk about fixing flaws in the law. But if you keep using those flaws as weapons to paint entire groups, especially already vulnerable ones, as villains, then you’re not fighting injustice, you’re repeating the exact same logic people once used to justify criminalizing gay men like you and me.
And I don’t think that’s who you really want to be.
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@raphjd You know, I’ve been thinking, the way you argue reminds me a lot of someone who’s been let down too many times by the same kind of people. And I get the impression that, deep down, you really do want the world to be fair, ordered, and honest. That you’re tired of hypocrisy, tired of manipulation, tired of people using identity as a shield for bad behavior. That’s actually pretty reasonable.
But here’s the thing, I think you’ve let a few very specific, bad stories convince you that the whole world is rigged against you, or that a huge group of people (like queer folks, trans people, Muslims, liberals, whoever) is fundamentally dishonest. And that’s just not true.
The way you talk about trans people now is really similar to how religious conservatives used to talk about us, gay men, a couple decades ago. Remember how they'd say, "I don’t hate gays, just the ones who push it in people’s faces or corrupt the youth"? Or "Sure, love who you love, but I don’t want it in schools or bathrooms"? It always sounded like they were drawing lines, but when it came time to make laws, those lines disappeared, and we were all treated like predators.
Now you’re doing the same thing to trans people. Saying you respect “real” trans folks, but then spending 99% of your energy attacking the very idea that they exist, or treating every legal loophole or outlier as a reason to suspect them all. That’s not protecting society, that’s painting targets.
You say you're just raising questions, and okay, sure, questions are valid. But it’s hard to ignore that they only ever seem to point in one direction. You rarely raise questions about the gay rapists or serial killers out there. Why not? We’ve got our share of fucked-up people too. Every group does. But we don’t let those few define the whole. That’s the whole point of justice, individual accountability. Not punishment by category.
And look, when you expand the conversation to other groups, immigrants, Muslims, liberals, it starts to feel like you're not just upset about one issue. It’s like you're trying to stack grievances until it justifies writing off half the world. That’s what a lot of people in the US are doing right now. Everything becomes part of a culture war, and there’s no room left for just fixing problems like adults.
Because yeah, some of those UK laws you mentioned? They were messy. And in some cases, they were actually corrected. Some loopholes were closed. The prison system is changing its gender policies. Parents were right to raise questions about letting kids make medical decisions too early. That’s all part of how a healthy society works, people push, others push back, and the system adjusts. It’s slow and imperfect, but it's not a plot to destroy civilization.
But when you frame everything as “liberals protecting rapists” or “trans people invading women’s spaces” or “Muslims ruining the UK,” then no correction will ever be good enough. Because you're not aiming for solutions, you're aiming for enemies.
I think you’ve been radicalized a bit, honestly. Not in the dangerous way, but in the “always on edge, always ready to prove something, always suspicious” kind of way. And maybe, just maybe, some of that anger you have toward liberals or queer activists is really just disappointment at the way the world has handled you. That would make a lot of sense. You’re gay, you’ve lived in two countries, and you’ve probably had to deal with a lot of bullshit from all directions. I don’t blame you for being guarded.
But I do think you’re shooting in the wrong direction.
And if you’ve read this far, that’s already more than most people would do. So thanks for that.
Say to me how much of this is right if you feel like it.
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Wow, the hate is so strong and speaks volumes about you as a person. You are a therapists wet dream. The trauma or neglect you were shown as a child really did a number on you. Psychology 101 at any college will teach you enough to know that you suffer from a number of personality disorders, which are treatable by the way. With therapy, medication and a genuine desire to want to be a better person you can break out of the delusional insanity you suffer from. It's not your fault, it is just an unfortunate situation that you had no control over while you were growing up, parents often cause life long harm without even realizing the mistakes they are making. The important thing is that you can overcome the mental health issues and live a happy and normal life if you make the choice to. I'm sure you can remember a time before you were consumed with hate, when you had people who cared about you and you cared about other people. A time when you were able to access the critical thinking skills that kept you planted in reality and could rationally converse with others. Whatever got you to the place you are now doesn't define your existence and you have it in your power to return to a place of peace and sanity where I'm sure you existed at one point in your life. You are allowed to change your mind and perspective without feeling shame or embarrassment. We will gladly welcome you back to reality with no judgement, we just want you to be happy and healthy, we have our arms open wide and will accept you back with no questions asked. I know it can be scary to abandon what has consumed you for so long, you just need to take one step at a time and do it at your own pace, don't rush it. Start with 1 small change and build on that and before you know it everything will start to get better, I promise. I am speaking to those who spew the hate and lies, those who are so certain they are right about everything or "know the truth" and believe the con artist trump is in any way a smart or sane man. You are better than him and he doesn't care anything about you, he despises his base and just uses you to serve his own interests. Please get help and start to live an independent life where you are in charge, not a pawn in a self serving narcissist's game. You deserve better.
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@raphjd Whenever you say truth to a lib: their defense mechanism is to pretend you hate, have phobias or something.
