NYC Dem councilwoman is racist against latinos
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I guess liberal media will call this "white supremacy" because everything is white supremacy no matter the races involved.
Oddly, a liberal black woman doesn't want brown people to vote, in the guise of equality.
Of course, there's the whole non-citizens being able to vote in NYC elections.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that only those in the country legally can vote in NYC elections, unlike in San Francisco which allows illegals to vote as well.
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@raphjd
A Liberal will take a vote from anyone living or dead, legal or illegal.
Lets have the great reset. All state voter rolls will be cleared and every living legal voter must reregister between 1/1/22 and 6/30/22 in order to vote in the 11/22 election.
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@raphjd said in NYC Dem councilwoman is racist against latinos:
I guess liberal media will call this "white supremacy" because everything is white supremacy no matter the races involved.
Oddly, a liberal black woman doesn't want brown people to vote, in the guise of equality.
Of course, there's the whole non-citizens being able to vote in NYC elections.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that only those in the country legally can vote in NYC elections, unlike in San Francisco which allows illegals to vote as well.
So.... let this be your correction: NYC just voted to let ANYONE vote in City elections - regardless of citizenship.
This NYC councilwoman - a black woman - voted to keep the status-quo (wherein you have to be a citizen, and registered to vote) - and now she's getting it from both sides!
- Liberals are hating on her for not allowing illegals to vote
- Conservatives are hating on her for the same thing (because she defied expectations, and because of some of her stated reasons WHY)
Black Woman vilified ... does there NEED to be a reason in the US in today's political climate?
I mean, really, doesn't it really come down to: she didn't vote liberal enough for the liberals and she wasn't conservative enough for the conservatives... and there is no middle anymore, so she's just an awful person for not meeting the expectations of others...It's ridiculous that NYC wants to let non-citizens vote, but it's their city! They can choose to allow cats to vote too! (But not dogs! Dogs are too dumb! LOL)
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@bi4smooth
She spoke the "Unspoken" out loud. She voted no because Latinos where voting 53% for Republicans and she was afraid that giving them the vote would not help her party. -
@bi4smooth
The Constitution states in several amendments the rights of CITIZENS to vote the excluding Government from abrigding those right.By allowing non-citizens the right to vote it infringes on citizens rights. It dilutes the will of the people. It grants rights reserved in the Constitution for Citizens. It leads to one party rule and socialism.
Liberal are trying every way they can to remain in power. It is going to backfire on them come 2022 when both houses of Congress are controlled by a super majority of Republicans and Biden becomes a lame duck President. Even state houses and local boards flip and slap Liberal in the face and say no more of your insane proposals.
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@geobear40 here's an idea.. require a social security number to vote. and that number is on the ballot. That would not only verify that the person was a citizen, but also prevent people from voting more than once.. and having their votes counted more than once.
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@raphjd here's an idea.. require a social security number to vote. and that number is on the ballot. That would not only verify that the person was a citizen, but also prevent people from voting more than once.. and having their votes counted more than once.
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@geobear40 said in NYC Dem councilwoman is racist against latinos:
@bi4smooth
The Constitution states in several amendments the rights of CITIZENS to vote the excluding Government from abrigding those right.By allowing non-citizens the right to vote it infringes on citizens rights. It dilutes the will of the people. It grants rights reserved in the Constitution for Citizens. It leads to one party rule and socialism.
Liberal are trying every way they can to remain in power. It is going to backfire on them come 2022 when both houses of Congress are controlled by a super majority of Republicans and Biden becomes a lame duck President. Even state houses and local boards flip and slap Liberal in the face and say no more of your insane proposals.
I don't know where you got the idea that I support the idea of non-citizens voting... I think the whole idea is untenable, and a truly wacky, liberal, pie-in-the-sky idea that is going to be almost impossible to implement while still maintaining a semblance of legitimacy... plus, how are you going to keep the "illegals" from voting in OTHER elections - ones they AREN'T allowed to vote in?
In any case, instead of reading what I wrote, it appears you drank @raphjd's kool-aid... c'est la vie!
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@lololulu19 said in NYC Dem councilwoman is racist against latinos:
@geobear40 here's an idea.. require a social security number to vote. and that number is on the ballot. That would not only verify that the person was a citizen, but also prevent people from voting more than once.. and having their votes counted more than once.
You apparently are not aware that Social Security cards are NOT identification cards, that they're easily faked, and that many non-US Citizens have SSN-like numbers. Furthermore, LOTS of people who DO have Social Security cards are NOT allowed to vote!
Maybe, just maybe, we should have something that's special for voting... you know, an ID card just for voting! You could print people's party affiliation, and what districts they lived in - you know, for Congress, the state legislature, and even local districts! We could call it a VOTER ID CARD
In case you couldn't TASTE the sarcasm, at least here in Florida, I've had one for 40 years now! And it's exactly as I described above...
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@lololulu19
It won't work because so many illegals are living and paying taxes under dead citizens social security number. Now if you checked that the social security number was valid that might work. But you would have too provide proof of citizenship to register to vote.Another thought with "motor voter laws" in states that allow non citizens to drive they are probably already registered to vote and don't know it.
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@bi4smooth
I didn't say that you believed in the notion I was commenting on your answer. -
I am in CA where no such document would ever be created.
Does if have your picture on it?
Are you required to to show a picture ID to Vote in FL?
BTW I am an Independent, socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Which means I am willing to help the less fortunate in society but only to the extent that it doesn't burden others. If I have extra I am willing to share but you need to be willing to use the same free public education that I received and do for yourself. I am big on personal responsibility.
Because you didn't pay attention and learn your ABC's and 123's I am not going to support you sitting on your ass and collecting a check from the government.
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I know they let NON-CITIZENS vote. I was saying that I don't know if they allow illegals to vote as well, as San Francisco does.
As for the black councilwoman, she voted the way she did because she said brown people vote too much for conservatives. She did not want to dilute the black vote. I guess Joy "I was hacked" Reid and the other racists didn't tell you that.
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@geobear40 said in NYC Dem councilwoman is racist against latinos:
I am in CA where no such document would ever be created.
Does if have your picture on it?
Are you required to to show a picture ID to Vote in FL?
BTW I am an Independent, socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Which means I am willing to help the less fortunate in society but only to the extent that it doesn't burden others. If I have extra I am willing to share but you need to be willing to use the same free public education that I received and do for yourself. I am big on personal responsibility.
Because you didn't pay attention and learn your ABC's and 123's I am not going to support you sitting on your ass and collecting a check from the government.
Here in Florida, no - you do not have to show your Voter ID (Registration) card to vote, but you DO have to have a photo ID to vote in-person.
You do NOT have to show a photo ID to vote-by-mail, but those ballots DO have to be signed by the person to whom the ballot was issued (e.g. you have to request a ballot, it is mailed to you with a unique serial number, and that serial has to match to you when you return it - plus, your signature has to match to the one on file.)
NOTE1: Relatively FEW of these ballots are actually mailed - early voting includes having monitored "drop-boxes" where you can deposit your vote directly into a "ballot box" (monitored by SoE personnel) - no mail, no stamp, no middle-man... it goes directly to the SoE offices for counting...
NOTE 2: If they "invalidate" or "question" your mail-in ballot, you are notified and have a week to "satisfy" your ballot (that is: prove your identity and confirm that it is your ballot).
For the record: Florida is a relatively EASY State to vote in, with significant early voting opportunities, and vote-by-mail available by request (no reason needed).... and we're a mostly-RED State! Go figure! You CAN win - even then people ARE allowed to vote freely!
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Well here in Hellifornia (California) they mail every registered voter a ballot. So the state is awash with them. They allow illegals drivers licenses with motor voter laws and a corrupt DMV who really knows who is registered.
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@geobear40 said in NYC Dem councilwoman is racist against latinos:
Well here in Hellifornia (California) they mail every registered voter a ballot. So the state is awash with them. They allow illegals drivers licenses with motor voter laws and a corrupt DMV who really knows who is registered.
Your hyperbolic reaction to California's voter system is un-helpful. Florida has a "motor-voter law" too, but:
- Just because you can register to vote at the same time you renew your DL, doesn't mean you don't have to still prove your citizenship - in exactly the same way you would at the voter registration office - and actually fill out the EXACT SAME forms! What's different? The office you're in... that's it!!
- Your assumption/assertion that a mailed OUT ballot is untraceable and could be used by virtually anyone to actually vote is laughably false - even absurd. Here in Fla, they PUBLISH the ACTUAL BALLOT IMAGES - in the newspapers, and on their websites! You can print your own! BUT - You cannot actually VOTE with your own printed ballot (or the one from the paper) - the ones that are actually counted have to have been printed - with a serial number that is traceable to who it was sent to - by the elections office.
YES! There are voters who screw up and mail in invalid ballots - and those are thrown out. There are also idiots who vote in person and either under-vote or over-vote!
As they say: You can make a thing fool-proof, but you cannot make them damned-fool-proof - because damned-fools are just too ingenious! (Reference the annual Darwin awards).Still, I find it incredulous that people just assume that mail-in balloting is somehow inherently insecure! Or that the people in the elections offices are totally clueless as to how the systems - that they've spent decades designing to be safe, secure, and easy - are so easily fooled!
Vote-by-mail has been in use in different parts of the country since the origins of the Republican Party! (History lesson: mail-in-ballots started in the Civil War!) Oregon has done EVERY election - SOLELY by mail-in-balloting - since 1998! The point is: we've had time to work out the kinks, and it's every bit as reliable as in-person voting!
The ONLY thing different in 2020 was that more people voted that way (because of the pandemic, maybe?) and Trump lost
Mind you, he lost the popular vote in 2016 too! The biggest difference between 2020 and 2016 was that in 2020 he (Trump) got 46.9% of the overall vote - pretty close to the 46.1% he got in 2016, but his opponent in 2020 got more than 50% of the vote! (IMHO: 2016 was a banner year for 3rd party candidates because MOST PEOPLE thought both major party candidates were untenable. As a result, the "also-rans" garnered an unusually large 5.7% of the overall vote (its usually closer to the 2-3% we saw in 2020!)
I'm sorry for the Trumpites - you lost, and lost by a reasonably wide margin. But I'm a life-long Republican - and WE WON in the down-ballot spaces in historical fashion! For an election where we LOST the top of the ticket, we did AMAZINGLY WELL in Congress, and even better in state-wide elections across the country!
If you claim Trump's loss was due to advanced election cheating, why do you presume that whomever accomplished this amazing feat, stopped at the top of the ticket? I mean, if these amazingly smart Dems (an oxymoron if I've ever seen one) could get ME (that's Maine, not me) to vote for Biden by altering the results, why couldn't they ALSO have replaced Sullivan in the Senate? If they were rigging the results, why didn't Jones get re-elected in AL? People believed it the FIRST time he was elected, why not a 2nd? While we're at it, if you're rigging the results for Biden in NH & VT, why would you allow Republicans to win those Governor's races? And WTF with NC? You rigged it so Trump wins for President there, but a Dem wins the Governor's mansion? WHAT WERE YOU THINKING
I'm sorry - but this whole "stolen election" think is sour-grapes from a sore-loser... because the excuses just don't add up!
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@bi4smooth
WOW! you read more into what I said.Not in CA where non-citizens can receive a Drivers License. When applying for said document at a computer terminal you only need to type yes to registration and you are set. There is no review or oversite.
Not that it really matters in CA we are a one party state.
You also give the government bureaucracy more credit then they are do. They use outdated computer systems manned by party flunkies who don't really follow the rule if it hurts their chosen candidate. There are over 3000 counties in the US each with their own little dictator to determine how the votes are counted. Where could it possibility go wrong.
The Carter-Baker report was also skeptical toward voting by mail. “While vote by mail appears to increase turnout for federal elections, there is no evidence that it significantly expands participation in federal elections,” the report stated. “Moreover, it raises concerns about privacy, as citizens voting at home may come under pressure to vote for certain candidates, and it increases the risk of fraud.” It noted that Oregon “appears to have avoided significant fraud” with measures like signature verification. “Vote by mail is, however, likely to increase the risks of fraud and of contested elections in other states, where the population is more mobile, where there is some history of troubled elections, or where the safeguards of ballot integrity are weaker.”
https://newrepublic.com/article/161666/carter-baker-commission-report-republican-attacks-election-reformThe difference between a Trump win was 43,000 vote in three states. The popular vote mean nothing, we have the Electoral College so that a minority a states can't decide for the majority.
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@geobear40 said in NYC Dem councilwoman is racist against latinos:
Not in CA where non-citizens can receive a Drivers License. When applying for said document at a computer terminal you only need to type yes to registration and you are set. There is no review or oversite.
I believe you have this wrong. It may well be that it's as easy as a check-box IF you have otherwise proven your ID (here in Fla, you have to produce ID to get your first DL - birth certificate, SS card, and proof of residency)... if you've already provided that info, it is just a checkbox - but if you haven't provided that documentation, the checkbox isn't there for you...
I'm not in CA, but I have a hard time believing they're letting just anyone vote, state-wide (I know San Francisco allows all residents - regardless of legality or citizenship - to
vote in municipal elections, but they're a bunch of fruits and nuts in SF already, so where's the surprise? They still have to limit voting to citizens for state and federal elections.Not that it really matters in CA we are a one party state.
That is a ridiculous statement: we have 11 Republican MoC from CA! Maybe statewide the Dems have a significant majority, but the Republican Party is not without strengths in that state!
You also give the government bureaucracy more credit then they are
doDUE. They use outdated computer systems manned by party flunkies who don't really follow the rule if it hurts their chosen candidate. There are over 3000 counties in the US each with their own little dictator to determine how the votes are counted. Where could it possibility go wrong.Where you see a weakness (3000 different voting systems), I see a strength - you cannot "hack" 3000 unique voting systems! Yes, there are isolated issues - and there would be as well if every single one used the same equipment and the same rules!
The Carter-Baker report was also skeptical toward voting by mail. “While vote by mail appears to increase turnout for federal elections, there is no evidence that it significantly expands participation in federal elections,” the report stated. “Moreover, it raises concerns about privacy, as citizens voting at home may come under pressure to vote for certain candidates, and it increases the risk of fraud.” It noted that Oregon “appears to have avoided significant fraud” with measures like signature verification. “Vote by mail is, however, likely to increase the risks of fraud and of contested elections in other states, where the population is more mobile, where there is some history of troubled elections, or where the safeguards of ballot integrity are weaker.”
https://newrepublic.com/article/161666/carter-baker-commission-report-republican-attacks-election-reformWho said anything about mail-in-ballots supposing to increase turnout? The rise in mail-in-ballots was primarily due to the fucking pandemic! You remember that, right? The 800,000 US residents who got together to prank Trump and his followers by diving head-first into gravesites?
The difference between a Trump win was 43,000 vote in three states. The popular vote mean nothing, we have the Electoral College so that a minority a states can't decide for the majority.
Yes, yes, you can cherry-pick votes to make it seem like Trump was "this close" to a victory - the Dems did that for 4 years about Hillary's loss in 2016... what did it get them? 4 years of Trump as President! What does it give Trump supporters now? Likely 4 years of Biden in the White House... but potentially WORSE: some of that time, HARRIS could be President! (Now for someone like me, THAT is TRULY scary!)
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@geobear40 This has happened in other states, where postal workers admitted to collecting unclaimed ballots from mailboxes where obviously no one was collecting their mail (moved, vacant or otherwise).
These loose guns can swing any election. At the base of all election and voting are myriads of opportunity for fraud and manipulation.
The vote has become high theater. A distraction for we the masses while they negotiate back-room deals between the world's privileged and powerful... Bilderberger, G Summits, the Bohemian Grove. All seems to be a joke to them how they can celebrate the "abandonment of care" in strange rituals while deciding the fate of the world until the next gathering. Elections? Wow. If only they really worked the world could be a better place.
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@boltvolts said in NYC Dem councilwoman is racist against latinos:
@geobear40 This has happened in other states, where postal workers admitted to collecting unclaimed ballots from mailboxes where obviously no one was collecting their mail (moved, vacant or otherwise).
Again, you make the ABSURD assumption that being in possession of a ballot makes that ballot valid!
During the 2020 election cycle, my daughter attended college in NC, moved to a new apartment (back in Fla) upon graduation, then moved again when her new roommates were "incompatible" with her... she had ballots (from Florida) mailed to her college mail address (because she forgot to change her address with the SoE), then requested a ballot be sent to her first apartment's address, then requested another ballot be sent to her eventual address... that's THREE ballots that the SoE has on record as having been sent to her...
But only 1 can be used to vote, and it has to have her signature on the back of the sealed envelope that it must be returned in....
- Returned in a different envelope invalidates the ballot
- Returned with no signature, or one that doesn't match, invalidates the ballot
- Returning multiples, in their proper envelopes, and with a valid signature is VOTE FRAUD, which is a felony in Fla.
These loose guns can swing any election. At the base of all election and voting are myriads of opportunity for fraud and manipulation.
Again, you assume that our election system is run by Elementary School dropouts who wouldn't know a case of voter fraud from a case of the measles!
I'll leave it to the reader as to WHO (the professional elections supervisors, or the gt.ru mouth-breather) is the "Elementary School dropout"...
The vote has become high theater. A distraction for we the masses while they negotiate back-room deals between the world's privileged and powerful... Bilderberger, G Summits, the Bohemian Grove. All seems to be a joke to them how they can celebrate the "abandonment of care" in strange rituals while deciding the fate of the world until the next gathering. Elections? Wow. If only they really worked the world could be a better place.
Conspiracy theorize much? You should consider joining the Church of Scientology! You'll love learning about Xenu!
