Horrifying fact about transGENDER people
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A trans person I have referred to several times posted this: that trans people suffer mental health issues four times as often as other people.
Let that sink in.Then consider this,
According to JohnsHopkinsMedicine.org, 26% - over 1 in 4 people in the USA suffer from mental health disorders.So, if the odds of anybody having a mental disorder is 26% (let's say 25% just to make a point) and transgender people suffer mental disorders four times as often as the rest of the population, that means that virtually 100% of transgender people suffer from mental health disorders.
With that correlation, it is safe to say that since all transgender people suffer mental health issues, that being transgender IS a mental illness.
But to be clear, transvestites who wear women's clothing are usually NOT transgender. This is yet another reason why I don't like groups of people being lumped together. LGB people are ATTRACTED to people of the same gender without necessarily being mentally ill. Supposedly, most TransVESTITES are actually straight! The transGENDER people are mentally ill.
The reason I am saying this is not because I hate transgender people, BUT people should be aware that transGENDER people are mentally ill (as are 25% of the rest of the population). Why would anybody KNOWINGLY get into a relationship with someone they KNEW was mentally ill? My father's 2nd wife was mentally ill, but that probably was because she so desperately wanted to have a little baby girl, and was unable to. Once she realized that, her mental state collapsed. I have a friend who got trapped into a relationship with a transgender and after just 2 months of living together, found out what a disaster he got himself into. He is trapped into an apartment lease with this person.
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@lololulu19 I'm sure you would agree.
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Gay, is orientation. No delusion or body-rejection needs to be there. example attitude, "I like being a man, and I like to fuck with men."
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Transvestite, is fetish or lifestyle. No delusion or body-rejection needs to be there. example attitude, "I like being a man, and I like to dress with & as women."
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but Gender Dysphoria, is rejection of body that you have, in delusional belief that you "are" or "should be" something quiiiiite different. Sad.
When it's race - "I'm not White, I'm really Black! I identify as Black" - mental illness of it, is obvious.
Gender Dysphoria always co-occurs with more illness: one person is autistic, another is depressed, another manic, another narcissistic, another is sociopath (Audrey Hale).
ps. leases can be broken. One hopes, your friend has exit plan.
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@blablarg18 You put it brilliantly. I would add that there are a LOT more gay people than is assumed by society. One can be gay, but not actually be sexually involved with a man.
I will not confuse the issue by giving specific examples, but there are quite a lot of men out there who prefer the company of men and jack off thinking of men. I would even suggest that most men have at least fantasized about having sex with a male or are at least very curious. I remember a famous comedian talking about straight porn movies, and got the men in the audience to roar with approval when asked if they liked seeing a nice cock in porn videos.
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This post is honestly full of misunderstandings and harmful assumptions, so is needed to respond in good faith and clear a few things up.
First off, the math you're using doesn’t hold up. Saying that trans people are “four times more likely” to experience mental health issues doesn’t mean 100 percent of them have a disorder. That’s not how statistics work. If 25 percent of the general population has a diagnosable mental health condition, then four times that is 100 percent only if every single trans person is affected, which isn't what any credible data says. Risk factors don’t equal universal outcomes.
Now, it’s true that trans people face higher rates of mental health challenges, but the cause isn't being trans. It’s how the world treats them. There’s tons of research showing that rejection, family rejection, bullying, harassement, discrimination, and being denied healthcare are what lead to worse mental health outcomes. In fact, when transgender people are accepted, supported, and able to access care, their mental health outcomes improve significantly. Being transgender it’s not that causes distress, it’s being mistreated for it that is the cause.
You also bring up gender dysphoria as if it’s proof of mental illness. That’s not accurate. Gender dysphoria is a medical condition, like pregnancy or chronic pain. It’s not a “mental illness” in the sense people often use that term and even in the Internationcal coding of Deiseases it was moved from "mental issues" to "Conditions relative to sexual health". The condition doesn’t mean someone is delusional, it means they’re experiencing real distress because their body and identity don’t line up and usually the disphoria stops right after trans people are ok with their transition and passability level. And here’s the key part: the only treatment that has consistently worked to "cure" gender dysphria is gender-affirming care (including social and sometimes medical transition). Not therapy to “talk them out of it.” Not meds to suppress identity. And definitely not what used to be tried in the past: electroshock, institutionalization, torture or worse. Those methods didn’t help. They traumatized people. Sometimes they killed them.
So if we’re serious about helping people with gender dysphoria, we should listen to what works. Supporting them in their transition works. Trying to “fix” them doesn’t.
Also, lumping trans people together with “transvestites” or saying gay people aren’t “mentally ill”, while trans people are (they both were labeled this way in a recent past), just reinforces outdated and frankly harmful stereotypes.
First: Transgender people have a gender identity different from the sex assigned at birth, just this. Gay/lesbian/bi describes sexual orientation, not gender (and trans people can also be gay or from any orientation) and cross-dressing or transvestism is not inherently linked to being trans or gay. It can be part of a kink, art or lifestyle, but not always. Being trans isn’t a fetish, it isn’t a phase, and it isn’t something people just made up, is something recorded throughout all human history since ancient times. And it’s recognized by every major medical organization in the world, including the American Medical Association, the APA, and the WHO, even in countries who hate queer people.Also, equating race identity with gender identity (“I identify as Black”) is a false comparison. Race and gender are experienced and constructed very differently in society, and this argument ignores the robust science and lived experience behind trans identities.
Finally, telling a story about a friend who had a bad experience dating a trans person doesn’t prove anything, even your previous story proves it. People have rough relationships all the time, straight, cis, gay and trans people can be jerks too, regardless of gender, people can develop mental ilness at any point of life due to trauma, age or a lot of factors. That’s not a trans issue, that’s a human issue. That doesn’t make an entire group “mentally ill.”
If you genuinely care about mental health, then we should be trying to make the world safer and more accepting for everyone, you should be advocating for better support and treatments even for mentally ill people, not trying to paint trans people like insane people, you wouldn't be doing it to any person with an actual mental illness or medical condition like you do to trans people, so don't buy the ideology of jerk people that are trying to erase trans people out of existence and civil rights. Trans people deserve respect, support, and the right to live their lives without being labeled “insane” just for existing.
They’re not the problem. The stigma is. And the stigma already labeled us, gays, as insane people too in the recent past, denied us health care and put us in prisons and concentration camps, in fact all this anti-trans rethoric is just a re-edition of old tactics used to paint gays and all queer people as ill, predators, insane, nasty, dangerous and a lot of things. They just changed some arguments, but the script is the same.
(And it's the same script used against jews in the past if you look closer, but this is something to talk another time).
Let’s try to be better than this.
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Horrifying fact about transPhobic people
They suffer from a mental heath issues that causes them to post many posts against transgender people while claiming that they have no hatred towards them.
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Despite what the left constantly claims, criticism isn't "phobia".
Real trans people don't do everything in their power to make sure they stand out. They just get on with their lives.
Also, I love seeing little fag leftists (he's not so little anymore), like Benji Butterworth, telling transpeople what they MUST think. To me, that is far more trans "phobic" than not liking Queers.
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@raphjd You are right, criticism isn't "phobia".
But one of the people here everyday create a new topic calling trans "mutilated, confused, mentally-ill or groomers", and spreading fake news and misinformation about them..
The guy also calls trans and autistic people mentally-ill, and this is ableist per se.Religious people will call their persecution towards gay people "criticism" too, but it doesn't make it less persecutory.
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Benji Butterworth, a self-proclaimed trans ally, is telling trans people what they must say and think.
He also infamously told Piers Morgan that he was against cancel culture while actively trying to get Piers and others cancelled.
He has an extremely larger platform than anyone here, but you don't mind him telling trans people how to think or what they can say.
Also, you can't call someone an ableist when they are acknowledging someone's condition. Then again, liberals are flip-flop merchants.
We used to be told that we had to be color blind, now you people are telling us that we MUST ALWAYS see color.
Elliot Cope, from Houston, was the girl who caused a shit storm because she claimed to be born a girl, who is a trans boy, who identifies as a CIS girl. She made international news several years ago over this. The worst part is, this attention-seeking loser made the life of a real trans girl at the same school a living hell. Elliot and the real trans girl were given a key to use the staff bathrooms that are at each end of the school. Here's the part you might remember: Elliot was in her usual girl clothes in the boys' bathroom, and a boy took a pic of her. This case has been discussed many times, and I don't know of a single evil conservative who said anything bad about the real trans girl, but we all condemned Elliot's attention-seeking seeking which made the real trans girl's life hell.
Maybe you remember "Sarah" from Portland, OR, Antifa. Sarah was a man who claimed to be a trans woman but always presented as a man. Sarah used to beat up men and women who disagreed with "her" bullshit.
Maybe you remember Theo (aka SmugglyPuff) from the early Jordan Peterson videos. Theo is a girl who claims to be a trans man. After one of the Jordan Peterson events, Theo violently attacked a retired couple who were walking their elderly dog because, as Theo would later claim, they look like someone who would agree with Jordan Peterson. After the attack, Theo ran and hid. Theo was identified and ordered to turn HERSELF (it's not transphobic by me). Rather than turning HIMSELF in, Theo instantly detransed back into a girl. Smuggly used the privilege of being a woman in the Canadian legal system and reverted to her biological sex for the duration of the court case to get a lighter sentence.
Maybe you heard about the scandal in the UK with male sex offenders suddenly becoming trans after being sentenced to prison. They weren't trans when the were raping women and kids.
As I sad previously, you won't see us evil conservatives talking bad about REAL trans people, because they are just normal people who want to get on with our lives. It's the QUEER trans people that we hate, along with their liberal enablers.
Your side thinks it's ok to abuse real trans people because they are wrong thinkers, while you defend queer trans people.
Your side also has the extreme problem with claiming that no one under 25 should ever go to jail, no matter how serious their crimes (including a serial rapist who started at 13 and was caught at 24). The claim is that the brain is not fully developed until 25, yet in Scotland, for example, the SNP government wanted to allow 4yo kids to have the right to decide if they want to trans medically and without their parents, knowing or permission. The backlash as swift and harsh, so they changed it to 8yo. If the brain isn't fully developed until 25, it makes no sense to allow transing until 25.
It's also odd how it's not real trans that are getting violent and raping kids, but rather it's the attention seeking queer trans that are.
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@raphjd You’re actually pretty sure I’m American, right?
Because most of these names you keep throwing at me, I honestly wouldn’t know if you made them up because this is so american-centered that you don't even know, and to me this is not a great strategy because anyone can pick bad cases of any group to say the group is bad, they do it with gays and with MAGA all the time, but what really show if the accusation is right is the real ideology and actions of the group/movement as a whole. (and that's not right at all when you see the trans or gay movements).You just have this pre-built idea of who I am, what I think, and what side I’m on and is fighting with this pre-built idea, not with me and what I am actually saying. I’m not American, I don't live in US. I’m just someone observing things globally, and trying to be honest about the patterns I see, specially when I see the pattern of attacking rights of LGBTs.
And I want to say this: Everything you’ve said about trans people? That exact same logic, almost literally word for word, has been used against us for decades by religious conservatives.
They’ve always said “I don’t hate all gays, just the ones who are too flamboyant, or the ones who push an agenda, or the ones who confuse kids, or the ones who blablabla.”
They would pick out some gay men who did something wrong, amplify the hell out of it, and say: “See? This is why we can’t trust any of them.”
They’d say things like “Real gay people just live quietly, it’s the queer ones we have a problem with.”Sound familiar?
Now you’re doing the exact same thing with trans people. Splitting them into “real” and “queer attention-seekers.” Highlighting some edge-case behavior or bad actor and acting like that somehow makes the whole group suspicious. That’s not fairness. That’s recycled bigotry, just pointed in a new direction.
And look, people manipulating systems or doing shitty things exists in every group. Straight people, gay people, cis people, trans people, we’ve all seen examples. But if we let those few define the whole, we end up justifying exclusion, dehumanization, and discrimination for everyone.
That’s not justice. That’s fear politics.
If someone abuses a legal loophole, we fix the loophole. We don’t turn that into a reason to treat an entire marginalized community as suspect or dangerous. We both know how that story ends, we’ve lived it in our own skin or as a group.
You say you respect “real” trans people. But in everything you write, you’re building a picture of them that’s conditional and demeaning. And the people writing anti-trans laws? They don’t care about your categories. They don’t make exceptions for the “good ones.” They just ban healthcare, restrict rights, ban LGBT suicide helplines, and unleash violence on the entire group. And your rhetoric helps them do it, even if that’s not what you meant.
We, as gay men, should know better. We should be standing up against this logic, not repeating it.
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NOTE: I'm a dual national US/UK. I currently live in Scotland.
Benjamin Butterworth and Piers Morgan are British.
Benji is a liberal media darling in the UK. If the liberal media didn't agree with his comments/actions, they would not be constantly giving him a platform.
Benji told trans women what they most think on national tv, at least 4 times that I saw. He could have done it more that I didn't see.
You are quite liberal, unless you are from one of the 3 or 4 countries that call their conservative party "liberal". I base this on your posts. You are anti-Trump and MAGA. You are pro-queer.
Ah, so I'm supposed to like queers who fuck with the lives of other people. If I don't, then I'm some sort of phone. That logic reminds me of the liberals defending pedos.
Clearly, you don't pay attention globally as much as you claim or think you do.
And look, people manipulating systems or doing shitty things exists in every group. Straight people, gay people, cis people, trans people, we’ve all seen examples. But if we let those few define the whole, we end up justifying exclusion, dehumanization, and discrimination for everyone.
Sure.
HOWEVER, you need to pay attention more than you do, because you are missing a lot.
I'm not sure if you are willfully blind or lazily blind.
It wasn't "someone" abusing a legal loophole. It was the government bowing down to scum. Men who rape women and children instantly turning trans once they are sent to prison, was the government doing it. It was the same Scottish government that tried to allow 4yo's (later changed to 8yo) to change gender without parent knowelege or permission. It's the same government that passed laws criminalizing parents to not allowing it to happen.
It's the same government that criminalized thoughts and speech, even in your own home.
It was the judges who created blasphemy via the back door, that only applies Islam. It's the same judges that allow disgusting criminals to stay in the UK, because they would be sad to be back to their home country. It's the same courts that refuse to all foreign rape gangs to be deported.
Maybe, in your country, you heard about how the UK almost brought in 2-tier sentencing for criminals. The more "oppression points" you have, the lower your sentence.
People already get more prison time for mean social media posts than they do for rape, especially if they are from a certain religious background.
I'm sure you know who UK diver Tom Daley is. Several years ago, some clown made a social media post that said, "your dad is rolling over in his grave after that performance" (something like that). He got 18 months in prison for that. People of a certain religious background are avoiding jail because in their culture, rape is seen and normal. That is the justification the judges are using, This is despite western legal doctrine states that IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NOT EXCUSE.
Rape gangs from a certain background, were allowed to run rampant because everyone was terrified of being called a racist or an islamophobe.
It's liberals who are doing this.
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@raphjd I’m gonna be honest: what you talk is going all over the place.
First of all, I don’t know who Benji Butterworth is, nor do I live in the UK or follow British media personalities. I don’t know those cases or names you’ve mentioned, and honestly, it doesn’t help your argument, it just sounds like you’re trying to stack isolated stories to support a broader narrative against trans people and "liberals."
But let’s bring this back: we were talking about trans people, right?
About how some bad individuals might exploit a system, and how that doesn’t justify treating the entire group with suspicion or hostility. That’s where we started.Now you're stretching it to include immigrants, Muslims, free speech laws, child protection laws, and basically blaming everything on "liberals." That's a pattern I’ve seen a lot, and I don’t think it helps the conversation. When someone says, “Here’s a problem we could work together to fix,” the response should not be, “Yeah, and it’s all because your side is evil.”
Let’s talk about law loopholes.
If there are real gaps, like someone abusing gender identity laws to manipulate the prison system, those should be addressed. That's what democratic societies do. We adjust, improve, and create safeguards.And actually, in Scotland and other places, reforms have already been made. In 2023, the UK government blocked the Scottish Gender Reform Bill over concerns about safeguards. It’s being debated, legally challenged, reviewed, exactly how a functioning system is supposed to deal with complex policies.
That’s how a healthy society works:
Left and right debate the best path forward, but ideally, they still agree on the goal: public safety, justice, fairness, and protecting minorities without compromising the rights of the majority.But when we throw out that shared goal, and just treat the other side like they’re evil by default, nothing moves forward. Just more hate, fear, and division.
You also seem to be jumping between totally different types of issues, crime, religion, social media laws, sentencing policies, as if they’re all somehow proof that trans people, or “liberals,” are the root of all problems. That’s a logical fallacy called a hasty generalization. It’s not an argument, it’s just pattern-seeking dressed up as truth.
The fact is that people abuse laws in every society, that’s not exclusive to liberals, conservatives, immigrants, or any one group and that the right response is legal reform, not scapegoating.
Blaming all trans people for what a handful of manipulative criminals might do is like blaming all gay men for child abuse scandals, and as two gay men, we both know how often that false connection has been used to hurt our community. You and I would both call that out if a religious conservative tried to justify anti-gay laws based on those narratives.
So why recycle that same logic against trans people?
And if we really want to talk seriously about sentencing, social fairness, or immigration policy, let’s talk. But trying to link those big complex issues to justify hatred or distrust toward trans people? That’s not debate. That’s using fear to excuse prejudice.
You clearly have strong opinions and strong morals, and I’m not trying to dismiss everything you feel and I believe we would see how much we have in common if we actually talked to each other, not to a caricature of what we thing the other thinks. But if you're willing to stop painting every liberal, trans person, or immigrant as part of some grand conspiracy, maybe we could actually find real common ground, like fixing legal loopholes without persecuting entire communities.
Because honestly? That’s what most people actually want.
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@raphjd Nicely done. Distinction of Real Trans vs. Queer Trans. Yes.
One is private & problem-solving. Whilst other is attention-whore & problem-creating, or even joke - as when specific male rapists or second-rate male athletes discover they are "trans" with its lighter prison sentences, award ribbons etc.
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@raphd: Perhaps we can create a new board called "Transphobia" (perhaps a subset of "Politics and Debate?" for this kind of discussion.
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@eobox91103 Or "Pomposity" which can be for you
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@blablarg18 Once again we see the childish dynamic of, "If you can't discuss something rationally, call the other person names."
As for "comments of value," in this thread there are plenty from PedrocaWest...but replies to them are just old, worn-out copy/pastes from the Anti-Trans Playbook.
Here's an exercise for the reader: Do a search on "you" on this page in your browser. See how many times it shows up in the anti-trans replies? That's clear evidence that, when confronted with facts, the anti-transists simply start calling names. That makes a mockery of the forum--which should be about ideas, not personalities.
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@eobox91103 .....name-calling as done by you.
"Transphobia" - Yours, to start with.
"Childish" - Oops, just you again. "Name-calling" - You, #3.
"Anti-trans" - #4.
Thanks for proving my point. Your worthless comments here. Zero value-add.
Well, you do crack me up.
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@blablarg18 Note that those words I used were applied to concepts, not to specific people...although I grant it would take above-average reading/grammar skills to notice this.
Note that the preceding post uses "you," or a derivative, seven times...demonstrating my point.
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@eobox91103 Weird how you excuse yourself with that intense parsing & excuse-making - yet not others.
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Now for something related to topic. (Because someone should.)
- Rachel Dolezal & Shaun King are White. They were never Black.
For long, they claimed to be Black - & got certain advantages.
If you notice: are you "anti-Black"? Absurd. Only idiot could think it.
- "Fauxcahontas" Sen. Warren is White. She was never Indian or First Peoples, whatever.
For long, she claimed to be - & got certain advantages.
If you notice: are you "anti-Indian"? Far-fetched. Only moron could think it.
- Convicted male rapists & second-rate male athletes are male. In Clown World 2025, they claim to be Trans - & get certain advantages.
If you notice: are you "anti-Trans" & "phobic"? What bad-faith name-calling that is.
BAD. FAITH. Not worth reply, beyond this comment & bringing this comment to its end here.
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@blablarg18 said in Horrifying fact about transGENDER people:
Now for something related to topic. (Because someone should.)
- Rachel Dolezal & Shaun King are White. They were never Black.
For long, they claimed to be Black - & got certain advantages.
If you notice: are you "anti-Black"? Absurd. Only idiot could think it.
- "Fauxcahontas" Sen. Warren is White. She was never Indian or First Peoples, whatever.
For long, she claimed to be - & got certain advantages.
If you notice: are you "anti-Indian"? Far-fetched. Only moron could think it.
- Convicted male rapists & second-rate male athletes are male. In Clown World 2025, they claim to be Trans - & get certain advantages.
If you notice: are you "anti-Trans" & "phobic"? What bad-faith name-calling that is.
BAD. FAITH. Not worth reply, beyond this comment & bringing this comment to its end here.
You forgot the guy running for NYC mayor claiming to be black.
