@rivnerobby "I don't know you but am assuming" = not enough to be a conspiracy but enough to make you whack-a-doodle theorist. Lacking comprehension and personal connection yet attempted to draw a speculation about someone, at least be aware of the contradiction between your own statements.

ok first, i said potential for errors and irregularities in my granny case. I never said she could turn in both ballots under her name. The other two ballots under previous occupants, weren't they uniquely coded like you said? couldn't they be filled out and turned in?
2nd. I didn't say any specific citizen should be deprived of their right to vote. just pointed out the reason video claimed voter fraud because a severe cognitive impaired elder couldn't remember anything beyond JFK, cast her ballot one month before she passed away. Check Doe vs Row, 2001.
3rd I didn't say mail in ballot a new thing. I'm aware of its existence in several states. I'm sure those states have done it for a long time, fine tuning to the point of "a stable of our election for over 30 years". But there were other states in which mass mail in was a first time thing. how do you know "they had plenty of practice" in those states? they properly cleaned up their voter roll/registration databases? Also I don't question their capability but their interests.
4th over 2000 year we didn't have covid-19 pandemic. Your point? Trump lost, ok so? What election officials said, believe what you want. Arsonists don't go out and publicly announce that they caused the fire (Coumo's and Whitmer's nursing home death coverup).
5th you compared voter fraud to rape and murder. Lol I have no comment there; not interested in discussing ethics. I didn't say i have solutions for anything nor I brought up any. I'm not an altruistic person nor a saint. just pointed out the potential due to mass mail in in relation to the discussion of linked video.
6th what far cry from what, I don't really care at this point. You have dragged the whole discussion too far out of its original topic.
You have a weird and twisted way to put words into other people's mouths. Also if you don't believe in my "granny" story, please just don't respond and waste your time. Attempting to read people intention by using assuming and inferring tones doesn't make you appear intellectual, just plain weird and creepy.

@tnar The national debt is $31.044 Trillion, 10s of millions? not even close to spare change. "conservative I grew up with", time changes, people change. Liberals back in the day are now classical liberals. Liberals nowaday are authoritative/ Marxist leftists.
This happened right under the nose of the government :
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/22/politics/covid-pandemic-unemployment-benefits-fraud/index.html
$45 billion = $45,000 million, so 10s of millions are not enough to wipe those "criminals" ' asses.
"Not sure why, but there's certainly no condemning of nonsense in this case." Common man! Really not sure why? to you it's "nonsense", but is it nonsense to them?
Both left and right have their own version of "the big lies", look it up if you are interested.
"What I was actually hoping was to learn something I didn't know, or gain a better understanding of conservative thought." No you were not. You wanna learn? you ask questions. Be true to yourself, common man!
"well, this was fun for a while, but now you just sound like the ranting media idiots..." Fail to tackle the arguement, attack personal characters instead.

@raphjd she was waiting for it.

@tnar
"That little stunt cost the taxpayers of the state of Arizona and Maricopa County 10s of millions of dollars"
your own words. My point was that the government has been wasting trillions of dollars, noone seems to give a damn, but they must care about 10s of millions of dollars of waste because the elections are always perfectly run, and there are no widespread voter frauds? which part is uninformed? the cnn article? you are lying about wanting to learn? or retorted to name calling? be more specific and I will entertain you

@tnar The national debt is $31.044 Trillion, 10s of millions? not even close to spare change. "conservative I grew up with", time changes, people change. Liberals back in the day are now classical liberals. Liberals nowaday are authoritative/ Marxist leftists.
This happened right under the nose of the government :
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/22/politics/covid-pandemic-unemployment-benefits-fraud/index.html
$45 billion = $45,000 million, so 10s of millions are not enough to wipe those "criminals" ' asses.
"Not sure why, but there's certainly no condemning of nonsense in this case." Common man! Really not sure why? to you it's "nonsense", but is it nonsense to them?
Both left and right have their own version of "the big lies", look it up if you are interested.
"What I was actually hoping was to learn something I didn't know, or gain a better understanding of conservative thought." No you were not. You wanna learn? you ask questions. Be true to yourself, common man!
"well, this was fun for a while, but now you just sound like the ranting media idiots..." Fail to tackle the arguement, attack personal characters instead.

ok first, i said potential for errors and irregularities in my granny case. I never said she could turn in both ballots under her name. The other two ballots under previous occupants, weren't they uniquely coded like you said? couldn't they be filled out and turned in?
2nd. I didn't say any specific citizen should be deprived of their right to vote. just pointed out the reason video claimed voter fraud because a severe cognitive impaired elder couldn't remember anything beyond JFK, cast her ballot one month before she passed away. Check Doe vs Row, 2001.
3rd I didn't say mail in ballot a new thing. I'm aware of its existence in several states. I'm sure those states have done it for a long time, fine tuning to the point of "a stable of our election for over 30 years". But there were other states in which mass mail in was a first time thing. how do you know "they had plenty of practice" in those states? they properly cleaned up their voter roll/registration databases? Also I don't question their capability but their interests.
4th over 2000 year we didn't have covid-19 pandemic. Your point? Trump lost, ok so? What election officials said, believe what you want. Arsonists don't go out and publicly announce that they caused the fire (Coumo's and Whitmer's nursing home death coverup).
5th you compared voter fraud to rape and murder. Lol I have no comment there; not interested in discussing ethics. I didn't say i have solutions for anything nor I brought up any. I'm not an altruistic person nor a saint. just pointed out the potential due to mass mail in in relation to the discussion of linked video.
6th what far cry from what, I don't really care at this point. You have dragged the whole discussion too far out of its original topic.
You have a weird and twisted way to put words into other people's mouths. Also if you don't believe in my "granny" story, please just don't respond and waste your time. Attempting to read people intention by using assuming and inferring tones doesn't make you appear intellectual, just plain weird and creepy.

@bi4smooth what are you trying to imply? since republicans (commission/judge) involved, it's somehow less severe or 100% fair? "there were FEWER in 2020 than there were in 2016" this statement has no basis because there was a mass mail-in in 2020 due to covid-19, none in 2016. If anything, mass mail-in created a higher potential for errors or irregularities, yet you claimed fewer. My granny lives alone but received a total of 4 ballots (2 for her and other 2 for the previous occupants). Same thing happened at my place, people who rented our basement moved out a few years ago, yet their ballots came in regardless. sign you name on the back of your credit card, then give it to someone and tell them to buy something at some stores, see if they can commit fraud; the same concept leads to dead people voting, out of state voting, and non-resident voting. BTW if you watched the video, the main fraud event is cognitive impaired elders cast the ballots with the "help" of nursing home staffs which you conveniently left out, assuming you watched the video at all.

@rivnerobby "I don't know you but am assuming" = not enough to be a conspiracy but enough to make you whack-a-doodle theorist. Lacking comprehension and personal connection yet attempted to draw a speculation about someone, at least be aware of the contradiction between your own statements.