AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.
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@manhandler said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
@bi4smooth A lot of that had to do with fraud in the RINO faction that paid for these machines, who don't want to be exposed for taking money to use fraudulent machines. People you are talking good about, like Mitt Romney and John McCain, who operate a ballot harvesting scheme. There is so much evidence, I have no doubt the Supreme Court will have to vote 9-0.
John McCain (who died in 2018) was truly instrumental in perpetrating the fraud of the 2020 election! So were Joan of Arc and Hippocrates! And don't get me started on the crazy shit Julius Caesar pulled in that one!
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We discussed that there was an election that was completely thrown out due to fraud, but they kept the Presidential election results. It was in NJ, from memory.
You gave us some crack-headed mental gymnastics to justify the "logic" behind that.
Likewise, you gave us the same sort of "logic" to justify the about a dozen Dems who fought the election results, while slagging off Trump.
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@raphjd said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
We discussed that there was an election that was completely thrown out due to fraud, but they kept the Presidential election results. It was in NJ, from memory.
You gave us some crack-headed mental gymnastics to justify the "logic" behind that.
Likewise, you gave us the same sort of "logic" to justify the about a dozen Dems who fought the election results, while slagging off Trump.
So, that's different:
- the election results were challenged before anyone took office
- Proof of fraud was provided to, and acknowledged by the Court
- the election was a municipal one - held in August - there were no Presidential candidates on the ballot
But most importantly: the fraud here was pretty easily caught... that there are people who ATTEMPT to vote fraudulently is not news... Trump isn't just making the claim that there were millions of fraudulent ballots - but that they were so sophisticated that they were undetected (in spite of large numbers of ballots around the country that were thrown out in the original election counting - because the fraud detection efforts of Elections Supervisors around the country largely worked.)
I reiterate: the only significant loss by Republicans in 2020 was Trump - and it's his own fault! In his hubris, he made it a referendum on him - PERSONALLY! Not a referendum on Republican policies - which, around the country - in state after state - WON THE DAY!
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Russia stole the election in 2020, but what the election commission lead by Carter and Baker said would lead to massive voter fraud didn't.
If an entire election was so fraudulent that the entire thing had to be re-run, when did the liberal district only exclude re-running the presidential part where they got the result they wanted?
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@raphjd said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
Russia stole the election in 2020, but what the election commission lead by Carter and Baker said would lead to massive voter fraud didn't.
Russia stole the election in 2020? Yes, there was Russian Interference - just as there was in 2016... and their preferred candidate in 2020 was the same as it was in 2016: Trump.
But interference isn't the same thing as "stealing" an election.
You're sounding like the Democrats in 2017... only this time YOUR guy (gal?) is the one on the losing end... interference doesn't rise to the level (then or now) of "altering the outcome".
The Chinese and Iranians also interfered in the 2020 elections (taking a page from the Russians in 2016)... they also preferred Trump! BUT all of that "interference" can't be shown to have actually altered a single voter's vote.
If an entire election was so fraudulent that the entire thing had to be re-run, when did the liberal district only exclude re-running the presidential part where they got the result they wanted?
There may or may-not be a legal basis for re-running an election in a State-run election... but you forget that the Federal election of President and Vice-President isn't made by the people... it's made by the Electoral College.
- The vote was public (televised) - even if interrupted by the insurrection attempt
- The vote was certified
- The winners have been sworn into office
- All performed as designated by the Constitution
At this point, there are only 4 ways to get rid of Biden before his term ends:
- death (by any means, natural or otherwise)
- impeachment (by the House) and conviction (by the Senate)
- Section 3 of the 25th Amendment (he temporarily or permanently resigns)
- Section 4 of the 25th Amendment (he is temporarily or permanently deemed unable to serve)
And *regardless of which of the 3 methods occurs, under Section 1 of the 25th Amendment, Kamala Harris becomes President (your cure is demonstrably worse than the disease!).
The selection and installation of the President is defined by the US Constitution - not State law, not Federal law... and there can be all the "buyer's remorse" you want - once the Electoral College vote is certified, there are no "take backs" - whether by fraud, miscount, or any other reason.
"Reinstatement" of Trump as President (by any means other than election to a new term) is....
Pure Fantasy
If you really want to get morbid: Thanks to the precedent set by Trump's term (that a sitting President cannot be charged with a crime), Kamala Harris could walk up to Biden in a televised press conference, and in front of 200 million viewers, literally shoot Biden in the head (e.g. commit 1st degree murder on TV), and be sworn in as President 2 minutes later.
There would be no arrest or criminal trial while she was President, and if she wasn't removed from office by one of those 4 ways above, she would serve out the remainder of Biden's term. She couldn't be charged with his murder until she left office.... potentially in 2028!
Presumably, the House and Senate would act to remove her, and she would be charged then... but if it was some kind of orchestrated coup, and that didn't happen... there'd be nothing (under Law) that could be done until she was no longer President!
This sh*t is so much easier to understand if you just take the time to learn how the system actually works (read the US Constitution - it's really not that long!), instead of listening to people complain and speculate about how they think it should work...
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You seriously need to stop sniffing Pelosi's panties.
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@raphjd said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
You seriously need to stop sniffing Pelosi's panties.
The Democrats spent a good part of 2017-18, and virtually ALL of 2019 trying to prove that Trump's win in 2016 was illegitimate.
At no point did they presume that, in proving that he cheated (with the Russians, or wherever), anyone other than Mike Pence would become President.
They were persistent and overreaching - even desperate - but they weren't delusional.
Remove Biden for any reason, and you get Harris. There is nothing - anywhere, any-how - that would provide for Trump being put back into office.... with the single exception being the natural one: that he wins in a different election: 2024, 2028, or whenever.
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@bi4smooth Constitutionally written, he would have to wait until 2022, however, fraud vitiates everything, and becomes null and void, and the election can be decertified. Fraud is one of those common sense things that doesn't need to be written in the Constitution, like "People have the right to breath air." The remedy is written and implied in the 9th and 10th Amendments.
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I demand that you show where I have ever said that Trump will become President if the audit proves total election fraud. If you weren't such a liberal, I have said that nothing at this point would put Trump back in office, in relation to the 2020 election.
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@manhandler said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
@bi4smooth Constitutionally written, he would have to wait until 2022, however, fraud vitiates everything, and becomes null and void, and the election can be decertified. Fraud is one of those common sense things that doesn't need to be written in the Constitution, like "People have the right to breath air." The remedy is written and implied in the 9th and 10th Amendments.
The remedy is in the 25th Amendment - and Kamala Harris assumes the Presidency if anything happens to Biden.
But again, thanks to his predecessor, we now have legal precedent that sitting US Presidents cannot be charged with a crime - not even criminal conspiracy to steal an election!
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@bi4smooth You're implying that Trump stole the 2016 election or what? You sound like Hillary. Who paid a British agent, who paid a Russian operative, who overheard a story from two guys in a bar. It's just dumb.
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@manhandler said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
@bi4smooth You're implying that Trump stole the 2016 election or what? You sound like Hillary. Who paid a British agent, who paid a Russian operative, who overheard a story from two guys in a bar. It's just dumb.
Jeeze... you're incapable of intelligent conversation, aren't you...
DEMOCRATS claimed Trump stole the election in 2016. But they were smart enough to realize that after he was sworn in, their only recourse was to impeach him - which they managed to do TWICE!
Trump, and is Trumpster Divers, like yourself, aren't so smart. You seem to think that there is some other MAGICAL way that Trump is going to be put back into office.
Trump is a loser. And a SORE loser at that.
What REALLY remains to be seen is whether he has actually trashed the only REAL asset he had coming into office in 2016: the "Trump Brand"...
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@bi4smooth Everything you just said is your opinion. "Trump is a loser." Wow. I guess I'm incapable of arguing against your opinion! Wow. That makes you SUPER smart, doesn't it? You didn't insert one fact into all that opinion. You defend the Democrats calling them "smart." "Magical" is another word you use. Who the hell do you think you are? There are no numbers, no factual datas, no nothing. Just "sore loser" and "democrats impeached him" so it's "SORE." What part of that was factual? None of it. It's all your delusional "OPINION." "What remains to be seen is whether he has trashed the Trump Brand." Ok... So what part of what you just said is factual? None of it. Just none.
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@manhandler said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
@bi4smooth Everything you just said is your opinion. "Trump is a loser." Wow. I guess I'm incapable of arguing against your opinion! Wow. That makes you SUPER smart, doesn't it? You didn't insert one fact into all that opinion. You defend the Democrats calling them "smart." "Magical" is another word you use. Who the hell do you think you are? There are no numbers, no factual datas, no nothing. Just "sore loser" and "democrats impeached him" so it's "SORE." What part of that was factual? None of it. It's all your delusional "OPINION." "What remains to be seen is whether he has trashed the Trump Brand." Ok... So what part of what you just said is factual? None of it. Just none.
You truly are illiterate, aren't you...
Sad little man... sad...
For the record: The dems lost in 2016... (fact) and were mad as hell (opinion), because Hillary was supposed to win handily (fact). They were smart only in that they didn't match the lunacy of the Trumpian challenge to the whole electoral process (to Democracy itself!) (fact)...
And the "magical thinking" (opinion) is attributed to the Trumpites, like yourself, who think that Trump will somehow be re-installed as the rightful winner of the 2020 election. That is impossible (fact).
Trump lost in 2020 (fact). Trump is a loser (fact). Trump can't handle the fact that he lost (fact-based, but opinion-based as well). Trump is a sore-loser (opinion).
You're an idiot (opinion) for not being able to gleam this from the posting above (fact).
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@bi4smooth Nobody cares about your opinion, which you continue to spew. You're not an expert on anything. And what you are claiming as "fact" is contested by over half the country. You are a liberal pretending to be a conservative and it's pathetic.
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Like your BFF, Stacey Abrams, and the DNC are still claiming that Trump stole the 2016 election, via Russian Collusion and actual voter fraud.
Your extreme TDS makes you a clown that can't be respected. No matter what the evidence shows, you just see "Orange Man Bad" because some liberal ass clowns told you that.
You love Honest Joe and the leg spreader. Honest Joe has spent the last 50 years being a liar, corrupt, a racist, and a homophobe. He's a fake as fuck catholic, as he is anti virtually every one of their core tenets. Even back when GWB was saying "Love the sinner, hate the sin", Honest Joe was hating LGBT people, not just the sin.
You justify voter fraud because it helped your guy win. If Trump won, you'd be screeching for recounts and audits. It's all part of your mental illness.
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@raphjd said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
Like your BFF, Stacey Abrams, and the DNC are still claiming that Trump stole the 2016 election, via Russian Collusion and actual voter fraud.
Your extreme TDS makes you a clown that can't be respected. No matter what the evidence shows, you just see "Orange Man Bad" because some liberal ass clowns told you that.
You love Honest Joe and the leg spreader. Honest Joe has spent the last 50 years being a liar, corrupt, a racist, and a homophobe. He's a fake as fuck catholic, as he is anti virtually every one of their core tenets. Even back when GWB was saying "Love the sinner, hate the sin", Honest Joe was hating LGBT people, not just the sin.
You justify voter fraud because it helped your guy win. If Trump won, you'd be screeching for recounts and audits. It's all part of your mental illness.
This is not the Straw Man you're looking for...
I did not say Trump stole the 2016 election - I voted for him in 2016!
I said the Dems thought he did... and that they were smarter than the Trumpites, because they turned to legitimate ways to limit his Presidency (I did not agree with them, but one can recognize smart politics while disagreeing with them!)
I only wish I had the powers you attribute to me... But, I am not your Boggart (Harry Potter reference)...
And, for the record, "my guy" didn't win in 2016 or 2020... in both cases, they were eliminated in the primaries... and no, I don't throw temper tantrums when I lose... that is a uniquely Trumpite thing to do...
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@bi4smooth Oh please. Like Al Gore? Or Stacey Abrams? What exactly makes it uniquely Trumpian? You're just out there in La La Land.
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AND YET, you can barely make a post without calling Trump and his supporters names.
Your extreme TDS mental illness is quite obvious.
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@manhandler said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
@bi4smooth Oh please. Like Al Gore? Or Stacey Abrams? What exactly makes it uniquely Trumpian? You're just out there in La La Land.
You're an idiot. Not all Trumpites are idiots (I try not to make generalizations like that)... but you? Yup! An Idiot with a capital I...
Al Gore was butt-hurt when he lost - and he complained a lot, but he didn't make claims after the Electoral College vote...
Stacy Abrams was butt-hurt when she lost - and given that her opponent was actually the Secretary of State at the time (and didn't recuse himself), she may have actually had a point... but she didn't make claims after the election results were certified...
Trump was butt-hurt when he lost... but he, in his unique "sore-loser" way, still - to this day - wants to make claims about the results. THAT is where he is unique....
That you can't see that is a testament to your extremist views and complete lack of intellectual competency.
