AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.
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Awesome news. I'm so happy that Arizona is standing up for what's right. This election was fraudulent, 100%.
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@manhandler said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
Awesome news. I'm so happy that Arizona is standing up for what's right. This election was fraudulent, 100%.
Empty threats.... temper tantrum anyone?
Law "makers" are not law "enforcers"...
Legislators = law makers (no arrest authority - none - but can change the law)
Attorney General = law enforcement (complete arrest authority - but cannot change the law)Not saying the US AG has any business messing with election ballots in ANY state, just that the argument is specious
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@bi4smooth No. Police are Policy Enforcers of the Legislative Branch's rules. In order to have authority, you have to author. The police have authority through legislative authorship. The police are enforcing the legislative branch's aims. You say they have no arrest authority... but they decide - who gets arrested by authoring the laws.
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@manhandler said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
@bi4smooth No. Police are Policy Enforcers of the Legislative Branch's rules. In order to have authority, you have to author. The police have authority through legislative authorship. The police are enforcing the legislative branch's aims. You say they have no arrest authority... but they decide - who gets arrested by authoring the laws.
Your understanding of the separation of powers is less than that of a US 5th-Grader. I'm guessing you do not live in the US (or, at least were not educated in the US)??
No legislator can walk up to a cop and say "arrest that man" with any more authority than any other person... and the AZ State Legislator only makes AZ State laws -- mind you, only in concert with all of the other Legislators, and not (ever) solely and individually....
The US AG can walk up to a cop and say "arrest that man" with full and complete authority to do so - even if that man didn't break the law (that's for a judge/jury to decide). Further, the US AG enforces ONLY US (Federal) Law - not State law (there are State Attorney's General for that!). So the US AG wouldn't be enforcing any of those AZ laws anyways....
Again, I'm not supporting the US AG doing anything in AZ with respect to their farcical and irrelevant ballot "audit"... just pointing out that your proposition that an AZ lawmaker could imprison the US AG if he did (presumably under Federal Law and under the watchful eye of a Federal Judge)... is almost comical... and truly impossible.
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@bi4smooth I wasn't insinuating at all that a Congressman can just walk up to someone and say to the police "arrest them." You're totally overexaggerating what I said. Everyone knows what I was saying, and that is ridiculous. It has to do with what is "authored" as in "written" - not "spoken" or "ordered" like a master to a slave. You are painting a picture that is totally fraudulent.
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@manhandler said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
@bi4smooth I wasn't insinuating at all that a Congressman can just walk up to someone and say to the police "arrest them." You're totally overexaggerating what I said. Everyone knows what I was saying, and that is ridiculous. It has to do with what is "authored" as in "written" - not "spoken" or "ordered" like a master to a slave. You are painting a picture that is totally fraudulent.
You aren't making the claim at all - you're repeating the absurd, self-aggrandizing claim of the knuckle-headed AZ lawmaker... my argument is with his claim that he could arrest the US AG if he did something about the ballot "witch hunt" in AZ... which the US AG has not suggested he wants to do, but if he did, with his being the US AG, it would be under the auspices of Federal Law, not State Law... and so the AZ State lawmaker - even if he had something passed in a flash, would be as powerless as a fly on the bottom of a bug-zapper!
This is the same as when Trump's AG Bell was the US AG.... sheesh, is it really that hard to understand?
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@bi4smooth Even the AG isn't powerful enough to put the Genie back in the bottle.
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@manhandler said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
@bi4smooth Even the AG isn't powerful enough to put the Genie back in the bottle.
Is that an admission that this whole ballot recount thing is "magical thinking"?
If so, then we have something to agree on! The idea that proving fraud now, well after Jan 6 - much less after Jan 20 (inauguration day) - will have any effect on the current, sitting President... much less result in the re-appointment of a former President to that post! is indeed, magical thinking!
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@bi4smooth Hah. You think the people will stand for this? I don't think so. Getting this done, took pressure. The people will press on. We will get to the bottom of it.
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Even if official voter fraud was proven, nothing would happen.
Honest Joe and Camel Toe are already in office and there is nothing we can do about it.
I'm still shocked how you were against Trump fighting the results, while you defended Dems doing the same thing. Then again, I'm not.
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Garland ought to Arrest the whole lot of everyone involved in this sham Recount. They all are breaking federal law blatantly. Just another gimmick and distraction from a failed political party with no platform and no direction other then attempting to take away the rights of Americans to vote. Anyone involved in this Trump Big Lie inspired fraud of a recount needs a lifetime ban from holding public office.
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@manhandler Get to the bottom of what? Re-Affirm that Donnie Dip Shit was a terrible Candidate that the RNC should have dumped and ran someone different? ReAffirm that he does not give a crap about any of you people who support him, doesnt care about the people of Arizona or the people of this country? Face the facts. The people of this country did not elect that idiot Trump. Biden was elected. If Biden would have ran in 2016 instead of Crooked Hillary he would have easily won then as well. Trump is a joke, his administration was an even bigger joke and was filled with nothing but criminal acts after criminal acts. How many of his cabinet secretaries were investigated for crimes? He set a record. He was worse than Nixon. Wire Taps on the Press and Elected Members of Congress without the permission of Attorney General? This is flat out lawlessness. Nobody in either party should stand for this. He held office to enrich himself and his family, blatantly handed out pardons and commutations to people so that they didn't rat him out, and it still will not be enough to save him. He will be indicted by the end of the year. Mark my words. He is the worst President that this Country has ever had because of the damage that he has done to the Office of the President and for his utter disregard for the rule of law and for the Constitution. He is unamerican. He is a traitor to this country. How many State secrets did Trump sell to Russia during his closed door meetings with his Puppet Master Putin? We lead the Globe in IT Security and then 5 months after he leaves office, Colonial Pipe Line, Meat Packing Plants, and all sorts of Critical Infrastructure gets hit by cyber attacks from bad attackers based out of Russia.. You think that is a coincidence?
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@sosofly No they are not. I can't believe you would say something so blatantly false right off the bat in your long statement. States Rights Trump Federal Permits. Garland has no authority whatsoever to arrest the Arizona Senate! You are so deceived... you are so wrong... you are not in line with Truth. You are not in line with Law. You are in line with nonsense.
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@sosofly said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
Garland ought to Arrest the whole lot of everyone involved in this sham Recount. They all are breaking federal law blatantly. Just another gimmick and distraction from a failed political party with no platform and no direction other then attempting to take away the rights of Americans to vote. Anyone involved in this Trump Big Lie inspired fraud of a recount needs a lifetime ban from holding public office.
Your extreme TDS is showing.
You clearly fear that Trump may be proven correct on voter fraud, even if it doesn't put him back in office. You just can't have him be justified in his claims.
To a much lesser extent, you don't want the world to see how dirty the DNC is.
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@sosofly said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
Garland ought to Arrest the whole lot of everyone involved in this sham Recount. They all are breaking federal law blatantly. Just another gimmick and distraction from a failed political party with no platform and no direction other then attempting to take away the rights of Americans to vote. Anyone involved in this Trump Big Lie inspired fraud of a recount needs a lifetime ban from holding public office.
These poor souls (realize, for one, the TONS of cash these people - the company behind this, not the actual people "counting") are not breaking any Federal Law - I'm sorry, I attack specious arguments on both sides of the political spectrum.
The laws governing the counting of ballots are all, 100% State (and territory) laws - in this case, AZ law - which the US AG has absolutely no authority to enforce.
The news story here is a Straw Man one... no different than if I said "If @sosofly thinks he can come here and rape my daughter, he should know I'll shoot to kill" - even though you don't have any idea where I live, you probably don't know if I have any daughters, and you're gay - you wouldn't even be attracted (sexually) to any of them... But it sure grabs headlines!
The threat that the US AG was planning to interrupt the AZ vote recount farce was wrong: he has no jurisdiction over it. Further, he had never said there were plans to do anything about it. And, finally, the assertion that an AZ lawmaker could have the US AG arrested for coming to AZ is wrong on so many fronts as to be laughable!
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@raphjd said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
@sosofly said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
Garland ought to Arrest the whole lot of everyone involved in this sham Recount. They all are breaking federal law blatantly. Just another gimmick and distraction from a failed political party with no platform and no direction other then attempting to take away the rights of Americans to vote. Anyone involved in this Trump Big Lie inspired fraud of a recount needs a lifetime ban from holding public office.
Your extreme TDS is showing.
You clearly fear that Trump may be proven correct on voter fraud, even if it doesn't put him back in office. You just can't have him be justified in his claims.
To a much lesser extent, you don't want the world to see how dirty the DNC is.
The 2020 election is OVER. The tiny window to overcome the certified results from each state (even if the certification was made with incorrect data), there is no - none, zero, not-even MAGICAL thinking, but rather FANTASTICAL thinking) - pathway for Trump to be declared the winner of that election.
He can run in 2024... that's all.
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Did I say any different?!
I accept that the election is done and over.
That has absolutely zero to do with making sure we get rid of any fraud in future elections.
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@bi4smooth Nah, he can run as Speaker of the House and impeach Biden/Harris. The results can also be overturned. Fraud is vitiate from the beginning. It doesn't count. That's the basis of law.
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@raphjd said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
Did I say any different?!
I accept that the election is done and over.
That has absolutely zero to do with making sure we get rid of any fraud in future elections.
If there was so much fraud in the 2020 election, should all those Republicans who won unexpectedly in the last election give up their wins?
How is it that such wide-spread election fraud was executed SOLELY in the Presidential vote?
I posit that your definition of Election Fraud is simply any election in which your candidate loses.
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@bi4smooth A lot of that had to do with fraud in the RINO faction that paid for these machines, who don't want to be exposed for taking money to use fraudulent machines. People you are talking good about, like Mitt Romney and John McCain, who operate a ballot harvesting scheme. There is so much evidence, I have no doubt the Supreme Court will have to vote 9-0.
