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    • Gay Weddings Held in Parts of Alabama, Amid Judicial Chaos

      Same-Sex Marriages Proceed in Parts of Alabama, Amid Judicial Chaos
      by Alan Blinder and Richard Pérez-Peñafeb of The New York Times
      February 9, 2015

      BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — Amid conflicting signals from federal courts and the chief justice of Alabama’s Supreme Court, some Alabama counties began granting marriage licenses to same-sex couples on Monday in a legal showdown with echoes of the battles over desegregation in the 1960s. In major county seats like Birmingham, Montgomery and Huntsville, same-sex couples lined up outside courthouses as they opened and emerged smiling after being wed. At the Jefferson County Courthouse here, Judge Michael G. Graffeo of Circuit Court officiated, at times tearfully, at the civil wedding of Dinah McCaryer and Olanda Smith, the first to emerge from the crowd of same-sex couples on Monday morning. “I now pronounce Olanda and Dinah are married spouses, entitled to all rights and privileges, as well as all responsibilities, afforded and placed upon them by the State of Alabama,” Judge Graffeo said.

      But in at least 50 of Alabama’s 67 counties, the county Probate Courts, which issue the licenses, were not giving them to gay and lesbian couples, according to the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group. Many probate court judges declined to grant any marriage licenses. In Mobile County, the state’s second-most-populous, the marriage license office was closed, and lawyers filed a motion asking a federal court to hold the probate judge, Don Davis, in contempt. Judge Granade rejected the contempt motion on Monday afternoon because Judge Davis was not a party to the litigation before her. The complaining lawyers, she said, “have offered no authority by which this court can hold Davis in contempt.” In Florence, in the northwest corner of the state, Judge James Hall of Probate Court explained to Beth Ridley and Rose Roysden that he would not issue a license, saying, “I’m caught up in the middle of this.” The couple, their eyes brimming with tears, said they would drive to Birmingham, and marry there.

      A Federal District Court judge, Callie V. Granade, ruled last month that Alabama’s ban on same-sex marriage was unconstitutional, but put her ruling on hold until Monday, to give the state a chance to appeal. On Sunday night, the state’s chief justice, Roy S. Moore, sent an order to county probate judges stating that they could not “issue or recognize a marriage license that is inconsistent" with state law. But on Monday morning, the United States Supreme Court refused the state’s request to stay Judge Granade’s order pending the outcome of the state’s appeal. Chief Justice Moore’s position on the balance of federal and state power has deep resonance in a region with a history of claiming states’ rights in opposition to the federal government, and in a state where a governor, George Wallace, stood in a doorway of the University of Alabama in 1963 in an unsuccessful bid to block its federally ordered integration.

      Although much has changed from Wallace’s era, Justice Moore has used a series of strongly worded letters and memorandums to insist that in the same-sex marriage case, Judge Granade, an appointee of President George W. Bush, had instigated a grave breach of law. The result has been a legal and cultural debate rife with overtones of history, religion and a chronically bubbling mistrust of the federal government, playing out at Alabama’s courthouses. In an interview Monday, Chief Justice Moore, a Baptist who has called marriage “a divine institution ordained by God,” was unapologetic. He asked what would stop judges from redefining marriage in other ways, including potentially allowing polygamy. ”But this is not what this case is about,” he said. “This case is about the federal court’s violation of their own rules.” He noted that the defendant in the case before Judge Granade is not the probate judges, but Alabama’s attorney general, Luther Strange, who has no control over marriage licenses. When that issue was raised last month, Judge Granade issued a clarification that her ruling applied to state officials in general.

      In his order to probate judges, Chief Justice Moore cited the state constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage, and said that he, as chief administrator of the state courts, has authority over the probate courts. In this and other cases, he has argued that the state courts are not bound by the federal court’s order. “The argument isn't crazy, but it’s wrong," said Noah Feldman, a professor at Harvard Law School who specializes in constitutional issues. In many states, state courts have argued that when it comes to matters of federal law or the Constitution, they are bound by decisions of the Supreme Court, but not by the decisions of lower federal courts. But Mr. Feldman said such disputes deal with whether state courts must follow federal court precedents, not whether they must obey federal court orders.

      Ronald Krotoszynski, a constitutional law professor at the University of Alabama School of Law, said, “the issuance of marriage licenses is quintessentially an executive, not a judicial, action,” calling into question whether Chief Justice Moore has any say over it. Chief Justice Moore called on Gov. Robert Bentley to take action against any judges issuing licenses to same-sex couples, while judges who refuse to issue them could face sanctions from the federal court. In a statement, Mr. Bentley said that while he disagreed with the Supreme Court and Judge Granade, he would not penalize probate judges. “We will follow the rule of law in Alabama, and allow the issue of same-sex marriage to be worked out through the proper legal channels,” he said. Mr. Strange, the attorney general, said in a statement, “In the absence of a stay, there will likely be more confusion in the coming months leading up to the Supreme Court’s anticipated ruling on the legality of same-sex marriage.”

      Since October, the Supreme Court has repeatedly refused to hear appeals from lower court rulings allowing same-sex marriages. Largely as a consequence of those rulings, the number of states with same-sex marriage expanded to 37 from 19, along with the District of Columbia, in just four months. Last month, the court agreed to hear four same-sex marriage cases, to be argued in April. And Monday’s order offered the strongest signal yet that gay rights advocates are likely to prevail in coming months in their decades-long quest to establish a nationwide constitutional right to same-sex marriage.

      In dissenting from the unsigned order, Justice Clarence Thomas, joined by Justice Antonin Scalia, suggested that the court was poised to establish a constitutional right to same-sex marriage, a question the court ducked in a pair of decisions in 2013. Justice Thomas accused the majority of an “indecorous” and “cavalier” attitude in refusing to maintain the status quo in Alabama at least until the Supreme Court issues its decision in the four pending cases. “This acquiescence,” Justice Thomas added in a telling passage, “may well be seen as a signal of the court’s intended resolution of that question.”

      Here in Jefferson County, Judge Alan L. King of Probate Court said he had no hesitation, despite the Sunday night order on marriage licenses from Chief Justice Moore. ”At the end of the day, it’s still a very simple legal analysis: You’ve got a federal court order,” Judge King said as he watched the couples line up, near a white ribbon and red balloons. He added: “This is a happy day for all of these couples, and if you can’t be happy for people, then I’m sorry. If someone can’t understand the joy and happiness of others, then I don’t know what else I can say.” Similarly, in Madison County Probate Court, Judge Tommy Ragland said, “I'm just following the federal order." Asked if Justice Moore’s order gave him pause, he said, “No, sir.”

      But in the small town of Troy, it was quiet at the Pike County Courthouse, where a sign was posted saying that licenses would not be issued. Lesbian couples who arrived to register legal name changes, reflecting marriages they had in other states, were also turned away by the Pike County probate judge, Wes Allen. “He said he was following orders from Roy Moore and that he couldn’t recognize any name changes,” said Stephanie Johnson, who had come with her wife, Valerie LaBonte. “I said, ‘You do realize that other people can get married in other counties, but I have to come to the county I reside in in order to change my name.’ And he said, ‘I don’t know.’ ”

      Chief Justice Moore rose to national prominence in 2003, when he defied a federal judge’s order to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the Judicial Building in Montgomery, and was subsequently ousted from his post leading the high court. He staged a political comeback, and became chief justice again in 2013. The chief justice’s misgivings speak to widespread concerns here about federal overreach and same-sex marriage in Alabama, where about 81 percent of voters in 2006 supported a constitutional amendment banning gay nuptials. Few here doubt the force of Chief Justice Moore’s belief that Judge Granade’s orders hold only “persuasive authority,” and not binding power, on Alabama judges. “My guess is, that is actually the way Roy Moore sincerely understands the federal-state relationship,” said Joseph Smith, a judicial politics expert at the University of Alabama. “He’s also an elected politician, and he knows who his constituency is.”

      Despite Chief Justice Moore’s protests, some analysts see parallels between his arguments now and those Wallace advanced in his own time. “It’s a very similar strain of ideology: the state’s rights, resisting the national tide, resisting liberal movements in policy,” Dr. Smith said. Some officials and legal scholars say that whatever the merits of the chief justice’s legal arguments, his eagerness in pronouncing his views unnerved some in Alabama who feared that it might stir local judges to resist Judge Granade. “I don’t want to see judges make the same mistakes that I think were made in this state 50 years ago, where you have state officials not abiding by federal orders,” said Judge Steven L. Reed of Montgomery County, who added, “The legacy always hangs over us until we show that we’re beyond it.”

      For many here, it is unsurprising that Chief Justice Moore emerged as a strident voice in a social debate after the dispute about the Ten Commandments display, known as “Roy’s Rock,” forced him from power. “Unfortunately, sometimes it makes for very good politics here to be seen as opposing federal intervention, whether it’s from a court or a federal agency,” said David G. Kennedy, who represents two women involved in a case that prompted Judge Granade’s decision. “The situation here is that this is not federal intervention. It’s not federal intervention at all. What it is, is a federal court declaring what same-sex couples’ rights are under the federal Constitution.”

      posted in Civil Unions & Marriage
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    • Judge Defies Gay Marriage Law

      Judge Defies Gay Marriage Law
      By Alan Blinder of The New York Times
      February 8, 2015

      TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — In a dramatic show of defiance toward the federal judiciary, Chief Justice Roy S. Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court on Sunday night ordered the state’s probate judges not to issue marriage licenses to gay couples on Monday, the day same-sex marriages were expected to begin here.

      “Effective immediately, no probate judge of the State of Alabama nor any agent or employee of any Alabama probate judge shall issue or recognize a marriage license that is inconsistent” with the Alabama Constitution or state law, the chief justice wrote in his order.

      The order, coming just hours before the January decisions of United States District Court Judge Callie V. S. Granade were scheduled to take effect, was almost certainly going to thrust this state into legal turmoil. It was not immediately clear how the state’s 68 probate judges, who, like Chief Justice Moore, are popularly elected, would respond to the order.
      Since Judge Granade moved last month to declare Alabama’s prohibitions against same-sex marriage unconstitutional, the chief justice has insisted that the probate judges were not required to abide by her decisions. But, in an interview on Wednesday, he said he thought he could do little more than guide the probate judges on how to respond.

      “I think I’ve done what I can do: advise the state court probate judges that they’re not bound by any ruling of the Federal District Court,” he said. But by Sunday night, the chief justice, faced with the prospect of many judges allowing same-sex marriages to move forward, acted, in part, “to ensure the orderly administration of justice within the State of Alabama.”
      Reached by telephone late Sunday night, Ben Cooper, chairman of the board of the gay rights group Equality Alabama, said that same-sex couples expected to be issued marriage licenses Monday morning.

      “We are continuing to move forward tomorrow,” Mr. Cooper said. “If we walk in and licenses are refused, if they do not comply with the federal order, then these probate judges could be personally liable,” said Mr. Cooper, who added that he expected legal actions to be filed against the individual probate judges if they do not issue the licenses. Some judges across the state had already signaled they would do nothing to aid gay couples and, in some instances, any couples. “Marriage licenses and ceremonies are no longer available at the Pike County Probate Office,” the office said.
      And Washington County Probate Judge Nick Williams released a “declaration in support of marriage” in which he said he would “only issue marriage licenses and solemnize ceremonies consistent with Alabama law and the U.S. Constitution; namely, between one man and one woman only, so help me God.”

      Several judges elsewhere announced variations of those plans after a push by Chief Justice Moore, who rose to national prominence in the early 2000s when he defied a federal judge’s order to remove a Ten Commandments monument from a Montgomery building and was subsequently ousted from his post leading the high court. He staged a political comeback, became chief justice again in 2013, and has in recent weeks said that Alabama’s probate judges are not bound by a federal trial court’s decisions. His argument has deep resonance in a place where a governor, George Wallace, stood in a doorway of the University of Alabama in 1963 in an unsuccessful bid to block its federally ordered integration.

      Although much has changed from Wallace’s era, Chief Justice Moore had used a series of strongly worded letters and memorandums to insist that Judge Granade, an appointee of President George W. Bush who joined the federal bench in 2002, had instigated a grave breach of law. The result had been a legal and cultural debate rife with overtones of history, closely held religious beliefs and a chronically bubbling mistrust of the federal government that was expected to play out at Alabama’s courthouses Monday. “I didn’t start this,” Chief Justice Moore said last week of the controversy. “This was a federal court case pushed on our state.”

      Judge Granade has signaled that she expects probate judges to carry out her decisions, and judges, before the chief justice’s order, had often said they would. “With all due respect to Chief Justice Moore, he’s on the Alabama Supreme Court, and he’s not a federal judge,” said Alan L. King, a probate judge in Jefferson County, said last week. The chief justice’s misgivings speak to widespread concerns here about federal overreach and same-sex marriage in Alabama, where about 81 percent of voters in 2006 supported a constitutional amendment banning gay nuptials. Few here doubt the force of his belief that Judge Granade’s orders hold only “persuasive authority,” and not binding power, on Alabama judges.

      “My guess is that is actually the way Roy Moore sincerely understands the federal-state relationship,” said Joseph Smith, a judicial politics expert at the University of Alabama. “He’s also an elected politician, and he knows who his constituency is.”
      So he has for now turned his words against Judge Granade. “She can’t order them to recognize the unconstitutionality of the Sanctity of Marriage Amendment by her views,” the chief justice said in a telephone interview during which he quoted Alabama statutes verbatim and resisted comparisons to Wallace. Despite Chief Justice Moore’s protests, some analysts see parallels between his arguments now and those Wallace advanced in his own time. “It’s a very similar strain of ideology: the state’s rights, resisting the national tide, resisting liberal movements in policy,” Dr. Smith said.

      Some legal scholars say that the chief justice may be correct in his interpretation of the immediate scope of the federal court’s rulings and how they apply to the probate judges. But his eagerness in pronouncing his views unnerved some in Alabama who feared that it might stir local judges to resist Judge Granade. “I don’t want to see judges make the same mistakes that I think were made in this state 50 years ago, where you have state officials not abiding by federal orders,” said Judge Steven L. Reed of Montgomery County, who added, “The legacy always hangs over us until we show that we’re beyond it.” But there had been only limited talk of plans for sweeping defiance by probate judges, including those who say that same-sex marriages conflict with their religious views.

      In Geneva County, Judge Fred Hamic said Wednesday he would issue licenses to gay couples but that they would have to go somewhere else to wed. “I believe I would be partaking in a sin, and I sin every day, don’t get me wrong,” he said. “This is one sin I do not have to participate in, not that you have to participate in any sin.” For many here, it is unsurprising that Chief Justice Moore emerged as a strident voice in a social debate after the dispute about the Ten Commandments display, known as “Roy’s Rock,” forced him from power. “Unfortunately, sometimes it makes for very good politics here to be seen as opposing federal intervention, whether it’s from a court or a federal agency,” said David G. Kennedy, who represents two women involved in a case that prompted Judge Granade’s decision. “The situation here is that this is not federal intervention. It’s not federal intervention at all. What it is, is a federal court declaring what same-sex couples’ rights are under the federal Constitution.”

      posted in Civil Unions & Marriage
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    • RE: Birdman vs Boyhood

      @forgetjack:

      Who will win? Birdman or Boyhood? Even though I really like Birdman, but I'd vote for boyhood.

      Both movies show the shared experiences people encounter in different life phases of their personal and professional selves, experiences shaped by the dual concerns of evolving influence (Boyhood) and continued relevance (Birdman).

      While I see how Hollywood would be entranced by the latter, when a minority of its denizens are tormented by shadowy suspicions that they've lost influence and popularity — it is the former which should resonate most with parents. Both contain a universal theme suggesting of an appreciation for the fleetingness of life, an abstract concept that along with love, is seen often in Academy nominees.

      My vote is for Boyhood.

      posted in General Movies {not theme}
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    • RE: A Predawn Parade Down the Aisle for Gay Floridians

      You can keep your questions. It's an article, not an interview.

      posted in Civil Unions & Marriage
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    • RE: A Predawn Parade Down the Aisle for Gay Floridians

      @nordicblue:

      I wonder why these people didn't want their own ceremony

      Exposited in the last paragraph

      @Spintendo:

      “We made history together,” Ms. Detorre said. And getting married as part of a group “felt like a true collaboration, and there was so much camaraderie.”

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    • A Predawn Parade Down the Aisle for Gay Floridians

      In Florida, a Brief Wedding for Same-Sex Couples After an Arduous Journey
      By Lizette Alvarez and Nila Do Simon of The New York Times
      January 6, 2015

      MIAMI — With arms interlocked, about 20 gay and lesbian couples, too eager to wait any longer, were married in a five-minute ceremony at 3 a.m. on Tuesday at the Broward County Courthouse in Fort Lauderdale as Florida marked a long, arduous journey to become the 36th state to legalize same sex marriage.

      Now the nation’s third-largest state, Florida joined the list allowing same-sex unions just six years ago after the state, led by Republican lawmakers, voted to approve a constitutional ban on gay marriage, which garnered 62 percent of the vote. “Do you take each other to be your spouse for life?” asked Howard C. Forman, the Broward County clerk of courts, slightly stressing the word spouse. Together, the couples uttered their individual vows to one another. “ I pronounce you legally married,” Mr. Forman said.

      With that, the couples, their families and friends roared, cheered and clapped, and Frank Sinatra’s “Love” blasted into the room. For Anthony Butera, 44, and Abdel Magid, 45, there was no doubt that marrying as soon as possible in their home state was a must-do. A couple for 12 years, the two donned wedding finery — Mr. Butera wore a cream tuxedo jacket with a black handkerchief and Mr. Magid a black tuxedo jacket with a white boutonniere — and infectious smiles. “It’s special to be recognized and be treated like everyone else,” Mr. Magid said.

      Similar late-night ceremonies were held in Key West and Palm Beach County as scores of jubilant couples exchanged marriage vows and rings. Miami-Dade was the first to proceed on Monday when Sarah Zabel, a state judge there, lifted her temporary ban on same-sex marriages after a federal judge clarified his August order ruling same-sex marriages as constitutional.

      Three hours after lifting her ban, Judge Zabel officially married two of the six couples who had sued the county over the same-sex marriage ban. The weddings took place at Miami’s civil courthouse, where the couples exchanged rings. As of 12:01 a.m. Tuesday, all 67 county clerks of the courts were required to issue wedding licenses to gay and lesbian couples. Some, like Mr. Forman, of Broward County, which has a large gay and lesbian population, embraced the duty eagerly and with fanfare.

      Others, particularly in more conservative northern Florida, took a more reluctant approach. While county clerks said they would abide by the law and issue licenses, some clerks, including for Duval County, home to Jacksonville, announced last week that they would end ceremonial courthouse weddings so as not to force staff members who object to same-sex marriages to participate in such ceremonies. The clerk of courts in Duval County, Ronnie Fussell, told The Florida Times-Union that marriage should be “between a man and a woman.” “Personally, it would go against my belief to perform a ceremony that is other than that,” Mr. Fussell said.

      Florida is one of the country’s most sought-after destinations for gay men and lesbians. Its long path to same-sex marriage ended Tuesday after a temporary ban on same-sex marriage issued by Judge Robert L. Hinkle of Federal District Court in Tallahassee, expired at midnight on Monday. On Aug. 21, Judge Hinkle ruled that the state’s same-sex marriage ban was unconstitutional as part of a federal lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida on behalf of same-sex couples and a gay-rights group. Judge Hinkle gave Attorney General Pam Bondi until Monday to file an appeal, temporarily suspending his decision, but her attempts to extend the deadline failed.

      After two weeks of confusion over whether the ruling applied to only one county in Florida, Judge Hinkle clarified his order on Thursday, saying that the “constitution” requires that clerks in all of the state’s 67 counties issue marriage licenses. Gov. Rick Scott, who has opposed same-sex marriage, has not commented on Judge Hinkel’s recent clarification or spoken publicly about the rush of same-sex marriages. The governor was sworn in for a second term on Tuesday.

      While same-sex marriage is now legal in Florida, appellate courts around the country are still weighing the merits of the issue and the Supreme Court is expected to meet this week to consider whether to take up related cases. As gay couples began to wed, Jeb Bush, the state’s former governor and long an opponent of same-sex marriages, struck an unexpectedly conciliatory tone on Monday, saying in a statement that “regardless of our disagreements, we have to respect the rule of law.”

      Mr. Bush did not indicate any enthusiasm for challenging the ruling. His comments instead suggested a tacit acceptance of the new legal status for married same-sex couples, or at least an acknowledgment that there is little he could do to block it. “I hope that we can show respect for the good people on all sides of the gay and lesbian marriage issue — including couples making lifetime commitments to each other who are seeking greater legal protections and those of us who believe marriage is a sacrament and want to safeguard religious liberty,” Mr. Bush said.

      At the Broward County Courthouse, making lifetime commitments to one another took center stage during the two late-night mass wedding ceremonies. As Joy Dettorre, 47, and Cristina Gonzalez, 48, stood next to each other, their faces beaming, they said they had been committed for 10 years. “We made history together,” Ms. Detorre said. And getting married as part of a group “felt like a true collaboration, and there was so much camaraderie.” It was liberating, Ms. Gonzalez added, “to say, ‘Yes, I’m married.' ”

      posted in Civil Unions & Marriage
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    • Scandinavia's Socialist-Market Economy

      A Big Safety Net and Strong Job Market Can Coexist ― Just Ask Scandinavia
      by Neil Irwin of _The New York Times
      December 17th, 2014

      It is a simple idea supported by both economic theory and most people’s intuition: If welfare benefits are generous and taxes high, fewer people will work. Why bother being industrious, after all, if you can get a check from the government for sitting around — and if your choice to work means that much of your income will end up in the tax collectors’ coffers?

      Here’s the rub, though: The idea may be backward.

      Some of the highest employment rates in the advanced world are in places with the highest taxes and most generous welfare systems, namely Scandinavian countries. The United States and many other nations with relatively low taxes and a smaller social safety net actually have substantially lower rates of employment.

      In Denmark, someone who enters the labor force at an average salary loses 86 percent of earnings to a combination of taxes and lost eligibility for welfare benefits; that number is only 37 percent in the United States. Yet the percentage of Danes between the ages of 20 and 59 with a job is 10 percentage points higher than in the United States.

      In short, more people may work when countries offer public services that directly make working easier, such as subsidized care for children and the old; generous sick leave policies; and cheap and accessible transportation. If the goal is to get more people working, what’s important about a social welfare plan may be more about what the money is spent on than how much is spent.

      That is the argument that Henrik Jacobsen Kleven, a professor at the London School of Economics, offers to explain the exceptional rates of participation in the work force among citizens of Sweden, Norway and his native Denmark.

      If correct, it could have broad implications for how the United States might better use its social safety net to encourage Americans to work. In particular, it could mean that more direct aid to the working poor could help coax Americans into the labor force more effectively than the tax credits that have been a mainstay for compromise between Republicans and Democrats for the last generation.

      In Scandinavian countries, working parents have the option of heavily subsidized child care. Leave policies make it easy for parents to take off work to care for a sick child. Heavily subsidized public transportation may make it easier for a person in a low-wage job to get to and from work. And free or inexpensive education may make it easier to get the training to move from the unemployment rolls to a job.

      In the United States, the major policies aimed at helping the working poor are devised around tax subsidies that put more cash in people’s pockets so long as they work, most notably through the Earned-income tax credit and Child Tax Credit.

      “The United States doesn’t do much of anything in terms of supporting labor force participation via expenditures,” Mr. Kleven said.

      There is a solid correlation, by Mr. Kleven’s calculations, between what countries spend on employment subsidies — like child care, preschool and care for older adults — and what percentage of their working-age population is in the labor force.

      Consider Marianne Hillestad of Steinberg, Norway. She teaches kindergarten; her husband, Ruben Sanchez, installs heating and ventilation systems. Day care for their three children, ages 4, 7, and 9, works out to about $1,100 a month; Ms. Hillestad estimates that if she had to pay a market rate, it would be nearly twice that, eating up most of her paycheck.

      “Using day care and working full time was a matter of costs and benefits,” Ms. Hillestad said. “The system is designed to keep us working. Maybe there are loopholes, but I could not sleep well at night if I was trying to cheat the system just to cash in social benefit checks.”

      Collectively, these policies and subsidies create flexibility such that a person on the fence between taking a job versus staying at home to care for children or parents may be more likely to take a job.

      “Being home with my children is a blessing," said Camilla Grimsland Os, a nurse in Oslo. “But I like my work, I like my colleagues, and I feel that I contribute when I go to work.”

      It is probably overly simplistic to attribute the very high employment rates in Scandinavia to a handful of policies that encourage work, as Mr. Kleven himself concedes; he is “more trying to raise a puzzle” than to provide a definitive answer. There are countless differences between Northern European countries and the rest of the world beyond child care policies and the like. The Scandinavian countries may have cultures that encourage more people to work, especially women.

      And this analysis may leave out some other factors that lead more Northern Europeans to join the work force than Americans.

      Robert Greenstein, the president of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, notes that wages for entry-level work are much higher in the Nordic countries than in the United States, reflecting a higher minimum wage, stronger labor unions and cultural norms that lead to higher pay. (In October, my colleagues Liz Alderman and Steven Greenhouse wrote about $20-an-hour Burger King employees in Denmark.)

      Perhaps more Americans would enter the labor force if even basic jobs paid that well, regardless of whether the United States provided better child care and other services. The employment subsidies Mr. Kleven cites surely help coax more Scandinavians into the work force, Mr. Greenstein agrees, but shouldn’t be viewed in isolation.

      “You get into trouble when you cherry-pick things,” Mr. Greenstein said.

      But even conservatives can see some useful lessons in the Scandinavian system.

      “I’ve advocated expanding transportation options for low-income workers in order to help them get to work, and I think everybody agrees that we could do better with education,” said Michael Strain, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. “I think the Scandinavian countries do those things well, and there are certainly things we can learn.”

      But that outlook changes, he argues, when looking at subsidized child care. In effect, the United States’ system of tax credits for the working poor allows people to make their own choices over how to use the money, whether for child care, food or clothing.

      “I’m more in favor of the child tax credit,” Mr. Strain said. “You can spend the child tax credit on child care if you want to, or spend it on whatever else you need. Do we effectively want government subsidizing the child care industry for middle-class parents?”

      If the United States were to subsidize child care, that benefit would join tax subsidies of employer-provided health insurance, home mortgages and retirement savings as policies that tend to favor the middle and upper-middle class.

      Every country has a mix of taxes, welfare benefits and policies to promote work that reflects its politics and culture. In the large, diverse United States, there is deep skepticism of social welfare programs and direct government spending, along with a greater commitment to keeping taxes low.

      So for reasons intertwined with politics and history, the United States has relied on a different set of policies aimed at helping workers get a leg up. But as policy makers around the world try to encourage growth by increasing the proportion of their populations with a job, there is a lesson from Scandinavia useful in its simplicity: If you make it easier for people to work, it may be the case that more will._

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    • Gay Norway

      Gay Norwegian youth in general find it difficult to imagine themselves living a non-heterosexual life. In place of that existence, suicide is considered by some a “reasonable” reaction to having to face a future as a homosexual. One analysis of teaching and textbooks in Norwegian schools points to three approaches to understanding Noregian gay peoples’ reluctance to imagining themselves as non-heterosexual:

      • the double message of homotolerance

      • the self-evidence of heterosexuality

      • the absence of non-heterosexual futurescapes

      Absolute, stable, and predetermined identities tend to produce an experience of fundamental difference. The combination of an absolute and immersive identity and futurescapes where this particular identity does not fit in or is absent, may create a feeling of total hopelessness that makes suicide seem like a reasonable solution.[nb]Åse Røthing and Stine Svendsen, "Homotolerance and Heterosexuality as Norwegian Values," Journal of LGBT Youth 7, no. 2 (May 7, 2010): 147-166, doi:10.1080/19361651003799932. http://tiny.cc/10eeqx[/nb]

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    • RE: The effect of gay marriage on marriage itself

      @Spintendo:

      So a look at the numbers would be helpful… to weed out the junk correlatives.

      Europe's marriage rate 1960–2012 (per 1,000 inhabitants) including countries with legal gay marriage

      posted in Gay News
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    • RE: The effect of gay marriage on marriage itself

      The USA has always skewed predominantly pro-marriage, much more so than Scandinavia, where like the rest of Europe, couples are more likely to live together and have children without ever marrying. So a look at the numbers would be helpful… to weed out the junk correlatives.

      Marriage rates for the USA by state: 1990, 1995, and 1999 through 2011.

      States where gay marriage was legal before 2011.
      States where gay marriage was legal after 2011 (and thus, no data).

      posted in Gay News
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    • RE: The effect of gay marriage on marriage itself

      @nordicblue:

      Since legalizing registered partnerships and gay marriage in Scandinavia, an overwhelming number of adults have simply stopped bothering to get married in the first place

      This is cum hoc ergo propter hoc in all its splendor.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

      posted in Gay News
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    • RE: The saying "a gay guy can tell if the other guy is gay or not"

      One study from 2012 showed that gaydar was real and that its accuracy was driven by sensitivity to individual facial features as well as the spatial relationships among facial features.

      The journal article is here:

      http://doi.org/f2bbhm

      posted in Chit Chat
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    • RE: Obesity is illegal in Japan!

      That law was meant to pressure companies and local governments, not individuals. The law, officially known as the Standards Concerning Implementation of Special Health Checkups and Healthcare Guidances was passed in 2008 and only applies to employed people between the ages of 40 and 75.

      It persuades medical insurers to utilize their employee health checkup result-data more proactively by mandating that those providers unable to meet guidelines pay 10% more into the national health insurance program. This equates to millions of dollars for large corporations that have employees who are unhealthy.[nb]Japanese Ministry of Health, Labour, and Welfare. Specific Health Checkups and Specific Health Guidances, pages 10-11. http://www.mhlw.go.jp/file/06-Seisakujouhou-10900000-Kenkoukyoku/0000047330.pdf [/nb]

      posted in Health & Fitness
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    • RE: Asking for help, What exercise can help burn fat?

      http://doi.org/c7drj2

      http://doi.org/cx83jc

      posted in Health & Fitness
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    • RE: Teeth

      The basic mechanics of conception require action in the male but nothing more than passive receptivity in the female. Sex in this manner really is a drain of male energy by female fullness. The toothed vagina is, therefore, no sexist hallucination. Every penis is made less in every vagina, just as humankind is devoured by mother nature. [nb]Camille Paglia, Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1990), 47.[/nb]

      posted in Movies
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    • RE: Testosterone and bodybuilding

      @explode:

      Does anyone on here do this and have any quick links to research or studies done it?

      http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101

      posted in Health & Fitness
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    • RE: When downloading only a selection of files from a torrent.

      @xtimothyx:

      When downloading only a selection of files from a torrent

      Also: That torrent file, when cancelled but never completed, will not show up in the Last 250 Completed torrents list on your profile page.

      posted in Downloading
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    • RE: Possible to seed after file is renamed?

      @cannonmc:

      You can change the filename but you will probably have to in uTorrent

      Not being a user of μTorrent, I wasn't aware of this. I stand corrected. Thanks cannonmc!

      posted in Uploading
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    • RE: Help Please! My Modem Won't Let Me Portforward

      @lightori:

      it still doesn't seem to work :S

      Try putting it in bridge mode. In gateway mode it will not let you port forward to your own internal network, only seems to work on it's own subnet.

      posted in GayTorrent.ru Support Discussions
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    • RE: Possible to seed after file is renamed?

      @haisufu:

      If I rename it to 'A & B.wmv', does the torrent software still recognise the file such that it can upload?

      The filename has to be exactly the same or the client will download a second copy.

      posted in Uploading
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