Posts made by raphjd

@royalcrown89:

The last thing I'll say on this topic is some of you need to learn what false equivalence means. If I bring up slavery or Jim Crow and the effects those two still have on black life in today's world and your response is "two black people booed Bernie Sanders off stage," then you are comparing a man being booed to the effects of hundreds of years of constant degradation of an entire population of people by another population of people who had more rights than the population being degraded. Slavery and the Jim Crow era were very, very complex. You had freed black people buying and selling slaves sometimes to reunite families torn apart and sometimes for malicious reasons; Native Americans involved with the capturing of runaway slaves in order to keep parts of the land stolen from them; and many other complicated instances involved; therefore, you cannot compare slavery or Jim Crow to someone's hurt feelings. You simply cannot compare hurt feelings to the literal death and second-class treatment of an entire population of people that has had long-lasting effects on said population of people. That is what I have been calling disgusting, and it is disgusting. You can only equivocate mass discrimination, mass murder and the degradation of a people to mass discrimination, mass murder and the degradation of another population of people. If you have nothing to equivocate that with, then what exactly is the point of your argument? Is it to deflect and try to end important discussions that we need to have?

LOL, you just don't get it do you?!

Blacks have the privilege to tell Bernie Sanders to "shut the fuck up" and demand that he pander to their whims, without fear of reprisal because if they got into trouble, it would be a racist issue.  Bernie is a jew, look it up.

Blacks have the privilege of doing many things that would get whites arrested if the races where reversed, like forcing white students to walk through a creek to go to class.

The rest of your post is a bunch of racial studies apologetics bullshit.

You are not interested in any discussion, you are only interested in forcing your racist SJW version of reality on everyone.

@snjsale:

@raphjd:

@adidasinfurs:

well it didn't take long for this to get thoroughly and unambiguously racist…...

but oh....wait, wait, any time anyone wants to talk about "white pride", all they do is spend an inordinate amount of time bitching about black people and really barely talking about what's so great about being white.....which is why white nationalism is racism....shit, how could i have forgotten....

So, you think that black pride is good, but white pride is evil.  Gotcha.

Now tell us how you support equality.

PS:  You reported me to me for being racist, for one of my earlier posts.   If talking about things that blacks have done is racist, then wouldn't it be racist to talk about when whites have done?    Do you not see how hypocritical you are being?

Err but don't white people already have so much to be proud of?

White people are not allowed to be proud of anything or they are racist.

@royalcrown89:

Fine, I have an answer. You are indeed making an argument to justify racism and are basing it on your want for all black people to be like one black individual in order to gain your respect. I asked you direct questions and you diverted to "SJW hysteria" and claimed black people "play victim at every turn"–-when in real instances of clear racism---as a response instead of offering real solutions or even adding any real substance to this dialogue. You have repeatedly referred to me and those like me who call out real injustices as "gangbangers" and "whiners." I have never been in a gang nor have I ever advocated for violence. You have lumped me in with people who commit acts of violence; meanwhile, I have only posed questions to you or have simply tried to explain the need for safe spaces yet I am the one basing my arguments on "dishonesty" or "hysteria." My life experiences are my life experiences and whether you believe them or not is simply not my problem. What I can assure you of is that once again, I have never held the belief that white people are inferior to black people and I never will hold that belief. White supremacy, white pride, etc. is centered around the idea that white people are superior to black people.

Until you provide some form of REAL EVIDENCE that black people hold enough power to substantially devastate the lives of white people to the point that the ramifications will impact them across many periods of time, your entire argument will remain baseless and overall unhelpful to furthering this conversation. With all of that being said, I am no longer interested in this discussion with someone who is unwilling to provide rational and substantive arguments other than "SJW" this and "SJW" that.

BULLSHIT!  I have not justified racism.  That is in your delusional SJW mind.

LOl, your historionics are getting out of hand.    I did not call you a gangbanger.  We already when over this.  I said "gangbanger" in reference to your claims of a single black culture.  I said that Larry Elder and gangbangers didn't share the same culture.

YES.  I do view you as a whiner when you claim that everything victimizes blacks.  You are also a racist by saying that only whites can be racist.

Again you prove you are a white hating racist by saying that white pride is always racist while black pride is always good.

Keep raping that dictionary fallacy, maybe some SJW will fall for those cheap dishonest antics.

The last time I checked, racism was the tail on a cat.  Oh wait, that's not true.  But it is what you do.

Just because your individual SAT scores were high, does not change the fact that blacks get into college with lower SAT scores than whites, under Affirmative Action.

See, there you go again with your SJW conspiracy theories.   You need to show proof that if it wasn't for AA, that a white student with lower scores than you would have gotten your place in college.   You say you post factual stuff, but I see nothing.

LOL, I'm "irrational" and "in denial",  yet you are posting SJW conspiracy theories and working that dictionary fallacy.  Let's not forget how you beat those strawmen you created.

You know is even funnier, your ilk talk about helping POCs, while screwing Asians (formerly "Orientals") the worst under AA because they have to get the highest scores to get into college.  They have a 50 point premium over whites, 235 point premium over hispanics and 300 point premium over blacks.

@adidasinfurs:

well it didn't take long for this to get thoroughly and unambiguously racist…...

but oh....wait, wait, any time anyone wants to talk about "white pride", all they do is spend an inordinate amount of time bitching about black people and really barely talking about what's so great about being white.....which is why white nationalism is racism....shit, how could i have forgotten....

So, you think that black pride is good, but white pride is evil.  Gotcha.

Now tell us how you support equality.

PS:  You reported me to me for being racist, for one of my earlier posts.  If talking about things that blacks have done is racist, then wouldn't it be racist to talk about when whites have done?    Do you not see how hypocritical you are being?

@royalcrown89:

So are you accepting the fact that by calling it a "dictionary fallacy" that you are attempting to discredit all acts of racial violence against blacks in the US based on the sole belief that blacks are inferior to whites? Are you attempting to compare those who call out real injustice and discrimination based on the idea of white supremacy to "gangbangers?" Are you comparing an entire population of people to Larry Elder (not Elders by the way) to say ALL black people should be like that ONE black person or are you saying Larry Elder is the ideal black? So black people have to be one way for you to either respect them or see them as deserving of basic rights and humanity? We cannot question real acts of racism or discrimination without being labeled "gangbangers" or "conspiracy theorists" or "whiny SJW?" There is something seriously wrong with what you're proposing and the fact that you do not understand it is very alarming. Also, ask the banks that discriminated against black and Latino people of all races in the US and were punished billions of dollars for it by the federal government if that system of keeping us down is fake.

Strawman.    The dictionary fallacy is about you changing the definition of words to suit your personal needs/wants.

Geek dot moo sebum, are toe weekday.      See what it's like when we just randomly change the definition of words?

AGAIN, Strawman.  I was comparing people like Larry Elder to gangbangers because you are trying to push the narrative of a single black culture.

YES, Larry Elder and those like him are not whiners and they don't play victim at every turn.  They also admit, unlike you and your ilk, that every race can be/is racist.

AND YET AGAIN, Strawman.    Your "arguments" are extremely dishonest or based on SJW hysteria.  Not sure which.

Anyone who's watched Brexit and the US Presidential election aftermath will see a curious thing.

The losing side (liberals) are now claiming that the world will end or we'll have the next holocaust because of either of these votes.  They are no different than the far right believers that are spouting that it's the end-times.

@royalcrown89:

I called you disgusting for the very reason why you ignored what I wrote and just simply ran with "Another black who denies racism against whites exists." You are disgusting because everything in my statement is fact based. Where are your facts? Show me the effects of a system designed for and created by black people in America that has been used to oppress white people in the way white people oppressed black people. Show me the evidence that said system continues to deny white people basic rights and opportunities today. I could have all the white prejudice in my mind (which I don't) and it will mean absolutely nothing at the end of the day because if I act on it there would be real consequences. Simply put, you're disgusting.

I'm "disgusting" because I don't agree with your SJW dictionary fallacy world view.  You change the definition of words to suit you.  Do I get to change the definition of words I don't like as well or is it racist for whites to do it?

How are you oppressed with 50 years of Affirmative Action (and quotas for many of those years)  where you get to have lower SAT scores than I do to get into college?  You get extra points on the civil service tests and you get a racial benefit when it comes to military promotions.

Don't bitch about Jim Crow, when your fellow blacks are screaming to bring it back.

Don't scream about racism when your fellow blacks are forcing whites to walk through creeks to get to class.

Don't scream about racism when, as above, black people get away with treating whites in a way that whites can't treat blacks without being arrested and it making world news headlines.

Don't scream about racism when blacks can tell a US Senator who is running for President to "shut the fuck up" as they did to Bernie Sanders after they bum-rushed the stage to hijack his campaign event.

Don't scream about racism when blacks shouted "whites to the back" at a political rally, when we know that everyone would lose their minds if the races were reversed.

Blacks get to do all kinds of racist shit with impunity because if they get called on it, they scream racism.

@slimsf888:

I don't think there's inherently anything wrong with having "white pride" however 99% of the time the term seems to be used as nothing more than a cover for racism.  I suppose I have a degree of pride in my European-American heritage for example, in that Americans of European descent have created and achieved many great things, but I wouldn't call it "white pride" due to the association with white supremacists, who I want nothing to do with.

My hope is that a century or so down the road, people will have mixed into one world race, and the whole stupid unscientific concept of race will die out entirely.

The problem is that any white pride is classed as racism, so most whites don't show any because they don't want to be viewed as racists.  Hell, in many cases, whites not being self-loathing is classed as racism.

Just like in the UK, the English are prevented from showing English pride, while you can show virtually any other pride you want (excluding white pride, obviously).    Celebrating St George's Day is deemed as racist, but celebrating the patron Saints of the other bits of the UK is fully encouraged and tax payer funded.

@Nagamaki:

raphgd did you even read what you're quoting?

I can't believe in 2017 that Black Americans are still having to listen to this. I've never even met a Black American but I know many elements of their culture that are worthy of celebration, especially sporting achievements.

I'm blonde, blue eyed, over 6ft tall, abv avg fitness and intelligence, I don't even wear glasses - the perfect Aryan, Hitler and the Nazi party would have poped white pride boners over me. White Pride is celebrating a perceived genetic superiority marked by skin colour, which is crazy stupid Nazi Hitler stuff.

YES, you are completely right.    White people are all racists and there is nothing good about being white.

Everyone else has a right to celebrate their skin color, but "whiteness" is just evil.

@royalcrown89:

I actually do speak out against anti-white prejudice and hatred. However, there truly is no such thing as anti-white racism. Say if I were in a position of power to deny you an employment opportunity because you are white and I indeed denied you of that opportunity for that sole reason and you found out and had proof that I did it, I WOULD BE RIGHTFULLY FIRED IMMEDIATELY. The other way around, it would pretty much depend on where I am in the US and what kind of proof I have. For you most likely, your word would be enough for the company to investigate me and I'd ultimately be fired. For me most likely, I'd have to have video or some other form of documented evidence just to get the investigation started to get you fired. In an extreme case I'd have to contact the EEOC and take it federal. And even if you do get fired, you'd end up employed somewhere else WAY quicker than I would. FACTS (please do research) state that white men without even a high school diploma get FAR more employment opportunities than black men with COLLEGE DEGREES. Do you see the difference?

Another thing, white pride is not the same as black pride in that black pride is the result of so many black people in the US not knowing their direct ties to Africa due to slavery. Most white people can celebrate German pride or Irish pride because many know for a fact that they're Irish or German. Well, Africa isn't a country. It is a continent with many, many diverse cultures and many of us do not know which one we belong to unless we come from a lucky family that documented everything or if we do expensive genealogy tests. White pride is pride in what exactly? I'm sure you know what your heritage is if you're white. So you want to be proud of the fact that you're white without celebrating what your actual heritage is, such as French or Italian? Black pride isn't black skin pride, it's black CULTURE pride. We have had to create our own culture within America that is unique (for better or worse) because of our slave heritage. Black pride is our way of saying we are proud of who were are, we celebrate that heritage (good and bad, because we all can agree slavery was bad and complex), and in no way is black pride synonymous with anti-white. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. believed in black people having pride in our heritage. Are you saying he's wrong? How come white people always cite him when trying to combat black people but fail to realize he himself was a black man who was proud to be black and was murdered by a white man?

So to make a long post longer (lol), no, black people cannot be racists. We can be prejudiced against white people, which is absolutely wrong and should be discouraged, but IT IS NOT RACISM. Racism is more than just words or actions that can be quickly reprimanded, it is a belief and a construct. I DO NOT BELIEVE WHITE PEOPLE ARE INFERIOR TO BLACK PEOPLE. I have never believed it and never will. I also said that I believe white racists, who are consciously racists and aware of it, are a very very small minority of our population. Our systems never changed and as a result, we are giving those people TOO much power. We need to start having realistic conversations about REAL RACISM such as denying people of color REAL housing, education and employment opportunities the way we do white families. Why are white people given better loans for housing and businesses, better chances with education with better schools and more qualified teachers, and better employment opportunities with sometimes less education than blacks? We need to have realistic conversations about the policing and state-sponsored murder of black bodies. We need to have realistic conversations about the causes of black on black violence, which are directly tied to a) the constant depreciation of black lives and b) the lack of importance shown to black people about that constant depreciation. Until white people are ready to have those conversations, we need safe spaces to get ourselves on the same page without white people trying to divide us more than they already have. Either you can add to our conversations with realistic approaches and FACTS or stay out of them, hence the need for the safe spaces.

So we have an example of the dictionary fallacy.    You don't get to change the definition of words to suit your needs/wants.

You sound like a hysterical conspiracy theorist.    "Everything is white and it's conspiring to hold me and my people down".

Not all blacks in the US are the result of slavery, so you are wrong.  Not all black culture in the US is the same.  Larry Elders is not the same as some gangbanger.  Nor is he some whiney SJW BLM.  There are millions and millions of blacks like him.

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/all-clubs-at-harvard-have-to-be-gender-neutral-except-womens-clubs/

All Clubs at Harvard Have to Be Gender Neutral—Except Women’s Clubs

Before anyone says anything, note that this article is written by a woman.  No claiming it's written by some butt hurt guy.

So, where are all the so-called "good feminists" to fight against this man-hating gender inequality?    Yeah, that's what I thought.

I never felt "disgusted" about porn.

I grew up in a house where sex wasn't treated as a bad thing.

Umm, you knowingly violated forum rules.  Which is why you got the warning.

You made this thread as another attempt to personally attack me.

As for any technical issues, please post them to the helpdesk.

If you are trying to send a PM, the forum PM system is turned off.  Use the main site's PM system.

@royalcrown89:

You're disgusting. Seriously. And the moment I can create an entire system based on slavery against you and then later a Jim Crow type system (backed up by some elements in law enforcement) to keep you from even the basic set of opportunities, tell you for hundreds of years that you are worth nothing while using that system to back me up, create a terrorist organization to keep people like you from voting for over a century, destroy anything you build (research Black Wall Street), and then commit a heinous hate crime in a church (Charleston Church Shooting of 2015) with supremacists raising money for my bail instead of condemning my actions then and only then can you even begin to say racism against whites exist. Until then, shove it. Seriously.

Another black who denies racism against whites exists.    Who'd'a thunk it.

And he calls me disgusting.   :blink:

@inkball:

You are correct, of course. There are numerous cultural festivals and holidays celebrating European nationalities in North America. "White pride" in the USA is the like "straight pride." It is meant to be antagonistic and exclusive rather than positive and uplifting.

African slaves were banned from using their native tongues or practicing their traditional religions. Despite the oppressive lash of slavery, somehow they were able to develop a unique culture with African, European, and Native American elements. In the mid 20th century "pride" became a rallying call for the Civil Rights movement as African Americans attempted to shed racial shame and embrace their heritage.

Black Pride is forcing whites to walk through creeks to get to class.  It's also chanting about killing cops.  It's demanding segregation be returned.  Black Pride is also about black supremacy and white hatred.

White Pride isn't allowed because whites are supposed to be self-loathing or they are deemed evil.

Social media bans for racism, except racism directed at whites.  Similar thing with sexism.

@alibix:

@raphjd:

So blacks who don't have a family history of being a slave are hate mongers if they claim black pride.

Slavery in Africa and the middle east existed long before white people got there and kept going even to this day despite it being illegal in white countries.

Africans played an active part in the slave trade.

There were black slave owners in North America and Europe.

I'm talking about black pride in America. Black people who came from africa as slaves to America which is most black people in the USA.

Umm, there were black slave owners in the US.    The earliest recorded black slave owners in now what is the US dates back to 1654, though historians say they existed before that.  According to the US Census of 1830, there were 3,775 black slave owners.  The slave owners were black.

Anthony Johnson, a former indentured servant, was among the very first slave owners in what is now the US.  He fought in court to retain ownership of his indentured servants when their servitude ended and won.

Native Americans owned African slaves, as well.

So slavery wasn't a white only thing.

So blacks who don't have a family history of being a slave are hate mongers if they claim black pride.

Slavery in Africa and the middle east existed long before white people got there and kept going even to this day despite it being illegal in white countries.

Africans played an active part in the slave trade.

There were black slave owners in North America and Europe.

@royalcrown89:

@kaeyresky:

As someone who is black, I think it's sad that theres people who see nothing wrong with this.
And I have no idea where the above person went to school that white people apparently treat him like a circus monkey, but I haven't known anyone to do that.

In any case, I don't care what kind of discrimination you think you're facing. It's nothing compared to what it was 60 years ago and they didn't have "Safe spaces" back then. All this does is promote minorities to staying in their own little bubble, which is only gonna hurt them in the long run when they realize to obtain any kind of success in the real world they're going to have to step out of it eventually. Not going to get very far in this country without interacting with white people.

What kind of discrimination I "think" I'm facing? I know what the hell I saw and what I experienced at Clemson University. You can look up the "black parties" they had for yourself and see that I am not lying. I transferred to the University of South Carolina and had similar incidents happen to me. AND WHITE PEOPLE HAVE TOUCHED MY HAIR ON SO MANY OCCASIONS THAT I HAVE LOST COUNT. Do not dare try to tell me what my life experiences are or try to compare my life experiences to whatever "bubble" you yourself live in. And no one said anything about not interacting with white people. I work with white people and I have lived with white people as roommates and what I've learned is not only are racists a very small minority of our population, non-racist whites RARELY SPEAK OUT AGAINST REAL INSTANCES OF RACISM. I've had roommates come to me and tell me their friend used racial slurs when talking about me but those same roommates failed to speak out against it. So no, I do not believe closing ourselves off completely to white people is the answer. The answer is for white people who aren't racist to SPEAK OUT AGAINST RACISM. Why is that so freaking hard for them?? Lastly, this is the biggest misconception about safe spaces. I DO NOT HATE WHITE PEOPLE. I DO NOT THINK WHITE PEOPLE ARE INFERIOR TO BLACK PEOPLE. BLACK PRIDE DOES NOT EQUAL WHITE HATE. WHITE PRIDE/POWER IS DIRECTLY TIED TO WHITE SUPREMACIST THEORY AND TERRORISM. You can ask Dylann Roof all about it, or do you think he doesn't exist either?

Do you speak out against anti -white racism or do you believe that anti-white can not exist?

Your views are at the very least BORDERING on racism, in that you claim black pride isn't racist, but white pride is.

This is where I'm betting you will change the dictionary definition of racism to show that only whites can ever be racist.

@inkball:

@bob5678:

@Domosuke:

I can't say I'm really shocked at the clusterfuck of this thread.

You would think that a message board centered around gay pornography would be open minded to people that are different from them, but no. I already envisioned this whole thread panned out which is why I've been avoiding it for a few days now. I can hold back no longer.

You would think a bunch of homosexual (or same gender attracted men) would understand issues like this. But I totally see it now.

Anything to take the heat off their skillet or the weight off their scale to move it to somewhere else. Which just makes the situation worse.

This is turn creates a butterfly effect for people to either become "SJW", or for people to become the oppressors. It makes the situation worse and everything is a pity party now. Nobody is appreciate for what they have, nobody wishes to or wants to empathize anymore,

I'm not nessarily a "SJW", but I'm not going to bite my tongue on things which are clearly not right.

Call me an "SJW" for saying that gay porn is racist, especially to black people. Call me an "SJW" for saying that men should be allowed to wear makeup and dresses. Call me an "SJW" for saying that Muslim women have the right to wear a burka or not.  I don't give a fuck.

I don't think you should be surprised. Most of the people on this site are old white guys who have lived their entire lives pretending to be straight (aka they've lived under hetero white cis male privilege). While others (ie SJWs) were advancing rights for gay people, trans people, etc they were still acting like teenagers and repressing their sexuality. These people have never experienced discrimination due to their sexual orientation let alone gender or race and probably aren't even out. They hang out on these torrent websites to download porn because they are too afraid to even find someone to have sex with in real life.

This is the most insightful post in the thread so far. Even though misogyny is a major factor in homophobia and anti-gay hatred, many gay men do not make the connection or examine the role of sexism in their own lives.

I love the lunatics that scream that anyone who doesn't blindly worship feminism is a woman hater.

Of course, the clueless believers don't realize that most people don't subscribe to their religion for the reasons I have said in various posts.

TRUE gender equality is soo evil and woman hating.  GOSH, I'm so grateful that the feminists have finally put me in my place.