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    • ‘Gay marriage’ is against human nature and Europe’s human rights convention: Gre

      ‘Gay marriage’ is against human nature and Europe’s human rights convention: Greek justice minister
      10 December 2014

      Any proposal to install “gay marriage” in Greek law would be contrary to the European Convention on Human Rights, said Haralambos Athanasiou, the country’s justice minister, this week. He added that his country should not comply with EU demands to create civil unions or legally recognized same-sex partnerships.

      When the Convention “speaks about marriage it speaks [of it being] between a man and woman,” Athanasiou told Greek television. “We are a country that respects traditions, respects human nature, and it’s not possible at least with this government and this ministry, to permit marriage [for same-sex partners.]”

      “It’s a little dangerous to simply speak of civil unions. The matter is not easy. The problem is what are the consequences going to be? … Are we going to go as far as talking about adoption [by same-sex partners] next?” he asked.

      The fact that most other EU countries have created such laws is no reason for Greece to do so, he said, adding that a committee has been formed to examine the issues of social security insurance, pensions and inheritance. The adoption and custody of children will have to be looked at from a religious, political, and societal perspective, he said.

      “Our country has structures,” he said. “We have to look at it from the religious point of view, the political point of view, the social point of view. The ministry of justice will not, under the pressure of anyone, examine such an issue without calmness and composure.”

      The denunciation from Athanasiou comes in the midst of a parliamentary push for a change in the law. In November last year, the European Court of Human Rights ruled against Greece in a complaint from homosexual activists, ordering the country to start registering same-sex partnerships.

      The socialist coalition government responded with a bill to extend the existing law to same-sex partners. Although that first bill failed, the government announced again in November 2014 that the Greek Family Code would be amended to include same-sex partners.

      Meanwhile, an influential leader of the Greek Orthodox Church has threatened to excommunicate any MP who votes in favor of a same-sex “civil unions” bill that is pending in the Greek Parliament. Metropolitan Seraphim of Piraeus has said in a pastoral letter that “the universal consciousness over the centuries recognizes as normal behaviour the relations between man and woman.”

      In a message addressed to Deputy Prime Minister Evangelos Venizelos, Metropolitan Seraphim said, “I beseech you from the heart not to proceed.”

      “You will deny yourself the blessing of the most just Lord whose help and protection we daily need as much personally as nationally … during these critical times for our country.”

      For the Church’s ancient spiritual writers, called the Church Fathers, “homosexuality is the most disgusting and unclean sin,” Seraphim wrote. They are “an insult against God and man … an unnatural aberration not even observed in animals.”

      He blasted efforts at normalization of “this terrible sin of homosexuality, sodomy, unnatural sexual intercourse, pederasty and paedophilia, to appear as a normal state, as diversity.”

      posted in Gay News
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    • Gay rights campaigners appalled as health minister sanctions forced HIV tests

      In another sign of growing political intolerance in Greece, the country’s far-right health minister has reintroduced a measure to allow the police to carry out forced HIV tests.

      Introduced shortly before the May 2012 general election, the policy was suspended several weeks ago by former deputy health minister Fotini Skopouli, who subsequently resigned following the Democratic Left party’s withdrawal from government.

      The policy resulted in the round-up and subsequent forced testing of hundreds of women.

      Seventeen, who were found to be HIV positive, had their names, personal details and photographs published in the media, on the grounds of protecting public health.

      Despite no evidence of them being involved with sex work, they were branded “prostitutes” and accused of being “health bombs”.

      They were detained in custody for several months.

      According to the Greek independent news website EnetEnglish, Adonis Georgiadis, Greece’s new health minister, has reintroduced the draconian policy.

      In a statement LGBT campaign group HOMOphonia-Thessaloniki Pride said: “Public health is not protected by the castigation of people who are HIV positive, but through the implementation of integrated programmes against HIV/AIDS, through the introduction of sex education in schools, and regular public campaigns.”

      Mr Georgiades was previously a member of the far-right Popular Orthodox Rally.

      In 2007 he published a book titled “Homosexuality in Ancient Greece: the Myth Collapses” in which he claimed social acceptance of homosexuality in Ancient Greece had been overstated.

      posted in Gay News
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    • RE: What’s a gay Christian?

      I think atheists are too self-centered.  It is all about them.

      posted in Religion & Philosophy
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    • RE: A Predawn Parade Down the Aisle for Gay Floridians

      I wonder why these people didn't want their own ceremony.  I would want a wedding to be special, go all out and have it be all about me and the person I am marrying.  Being married with a group of people does not sound fun to me.

      posted in Civil Unions & Marriage
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    • Grey Economies

      | Country | Size of shadow economy (% of GDP) | Undeclared work (% of GDP) |
      |
      | Romania | 29.1 | 16-21 |
      | Lithuania | 28.5 | 16-18 |
      | Estonia | 28.2 | 7-8 |
      | Latvia | 26.4 | 18 |
      | Cyprus | 25.6 | 4.2 |
      | Malta | 25.3 | 25 |
      | Poland | 24.4 | 12-15 |
      | Greece | 24.0 | 25 |
      | Slovenia | 23.6 | 17 |
      | Hungary | 22.5 | 15-20 |
      | Italy | 21.6 | 12 |
      | Portugal | 19.4 | 5 |
      | Spain | 19.4 | 12 |
      | Belgium | 16.8 | 6-10 |
      | Czech Republic | 16.0 | 9-10 |
      | Slovakia | 15.5 | 13-15 |
      | EA-17 (weighted average) | 15 | 8 |
      | Sweden | 14.3 | 5 |
      | Denmark | 13.4 | 3 |
      | Germany | 13.3 | 7 |
      | Finland | 13.3 | 4.2 |
      | United Kingdom | 10.1 | 2 |

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: What’s a gay Christian?

      @LEVI:

      @lockedbashed:

      for people who believe in science.. the big bang is yet to be proved also they Atoms origin from the bang is still a questionmark.. at the end its what you believe in.. Chicken ro egg

      Think about it there was this big bang that created everything. But then where was all this matter before the big bang. How did all this matter come about to begin with.

      The bulk space where the higher dimensional world branes exist and vibrate next to each other.  When those vibrations cause them to touch, they cause a violent explosion creating a big bang.  The universe is not a closed end system and energy can flow in and out of the system.  Matter is derived from the carrier particle the Higgs boson, which is analogous to the photon for light.  The universe expands until it rips itself apart at the quantum level, then the process starts again.

      http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s8456.pdf

      posted in Religion & Philosophy
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    • RE: What’s a gay Christian?

      I have known people to resist the idea, only to become Christians later on in life.  :love:

      posted in Religion & Philosophy
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    • RE: Would you date a smoker?

      @groovedware:

      @cannonmc:

      On the other hand there is no  point pretending that you will fancy everyone you meet. So know your limits to start with, per haps 🙂

      True but limiting yourself by putting barriers of exclusion up means you might miss out.  Perhaps it's my inner slut but I cast a wide net, fish can always be thrown back.

      Yes, and as I stated, I don't feel I am missing out when it comes to cigarettes, cigars, "weed", illicit substances, thrill seeking behaviors and dating chubby, hairy or old people.  I am happy you cast a wide net, but for me, I will stick with my fine tuned net.  I rarely have to throw my fish back out to sea this way.

      posted in Chit Chat
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    • RE: Gay gene discovery

      It is referred to as gay gene(s) because there could be more than one and genes regulate everything.  From the polyploidy trait of eye color, whether or not you will be a thrill seeker or to skin color.  There are in fact splice variants for skin color.  The POMC [[url=http://omim.org/entry/176830]http://omim.org/entry/176830] (MSHR, α-MSH, β-MSH, γ-MSH gene interacts with the melanocortin gene superfamily (MC1R [[url=http://omim.org/entry/155555?search=MC1R&highlight=mc1r]http://omim.org/entry/155555?search=MC1R&highlight=mc1r] (See 4 allelic variants), MC2R, MC3R, MC4R, MC5R) via a gene-protein-protein-gene regulatory network.  Why shouldn't there be a genes which regulate whether you are gay, straight, or bisexual.  There is an interesting book by the Oxford University Press, I have a copy in pdf if you wish to read it. [[url=https://global.oup.com/academic/product/gay-straight-and-the-reason-why-9780199737673?cc=ca&lang=en&]https://global.oup.com/academic/product/gay-straight-and-the-reason-why-9780199737673?cc=ca&lang=en&  The book also points out that there are physiological differences such as having different sizes of the INAH3 in the brain [[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961].  They point out a relationship between handedness with sexuality and the ability of gay people to suss out other gay people better than straight people can i.e., the famed "gaydar".  To answer your question they have identified gene candidates for homosexuality specifically.  As I stated, the keyword is "candidate", they are still doing research.

      posted in Gay News
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    • RE: Gay gene discovery

      I was asking because it is dichotomous solution.  If you believe not to be genetic, then it must be environment.  If it is both, then that still include genetics.  I was curious how you came to that conlusion.  :love:

      posted in Gay News
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    • RE: Underwear

      posted in Socks and Underwear
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    • RE: Germany forced to bail out bankrupt countries like Spain and Greece

      The Grey Market in southern Europe, especially Greece, Cyprus and Malta.

      http://ec.europa.eu/europe2020/pdf/themes/07_shadow_economy.pdf

      I highlighted countries in red where the actual amount is the greatest even though the percentage is not at the top but near the top.  Romania, Estonia and Latvia has very small economies, whose gray economies poses little damage.

      | Country | Size of shadow economy (% of GDP) | Undeclared work (% of GDP) |
      |
      | Romania | 29.1 | 16-21 |
      | Lithuania | 28.5 | 16-18 |
      | Estonia | 28.2 | 7-8 |
      | Latvia | 26.4 | 18 |
      | Cyprus | 25.6 | 4.2 |
      | Malta | 25.3 | 25 |
      | Poland | 24.4 | 12-15 |
      | Greece | 24.0 | 25 |
      | Slovenia | 23.6 | 17 |
      | Hungary | 22.5 | 15-20 |
      | Italy | 21.6 | 12 |
      | Portugal | 19.4 | 5 |
      | Spain | 19.4 | 12 |
      | Belgium | 16.8 | 6-10 |
      | Czech Republic | 16.0 | 9-10 |
      | Slovakia | 15.5 | 13-15 |
      | EA-17 (weighted average) | 15 | 8 |
      | Sweden | 14.3 | 5 |
      | Denmark | 13.4 | 3 |
      | Germany | 13.3 | 7 |
      | Finland | 13.3 | 4.2 |
      | United Kingdom | 10.1 | 2 |

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: Did you choose to be gay?

      @Belisarios:

      No, did not choose to be gay but certainly would not choose to be straight.

      Why wouldn't you want to be straight?  They are a supermajority in number and political power.  It is much easier to find a straight mate.  Although I do not care either way, I prefer to have both.

      posted in Chit Chat
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    • RE: Would you date a smoker?

      @groovedware:

      Fortunately none of the non-smokers here will have to worry about dating the smoker in me because I tend to not date guys who have set up boundaries for themselves.  Excluding yourself from possibilities be they based on smoking, age, race or any other wild generalizations only limits you.

      I don't think avoiding second hand smoke or smoking has limited my life.  That would be rather tragic to believe that not dating an 80 year old man or smoking has limited you in some way.  Then again, I don't know people's current state of affairs, this could perhaps be an improvement for them.

      posted in Chit Chat
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    • Strangest onomatopoeia

      In some language this is supposed to be what a frog sounds like to them.

      Frogs
      Brekekekex koax koax.

      Dionysus
      Go to hell with your koax
      koax and nothing but koax!

      Frogs
      Rightly so, you busybody.
      the Muses of the fine lyre love us
      And so does horn-crested Pan, playing his reed pipe.
      And the harpist Apollo delights in us as well,
      On account of the reed, which as a bridge for his lyre
      I nourish in the water of the pond.
      Brekekekex koax koax.

      Dionysus
      I've got blisters,
      and for long now my rump's been sweating.
      It's going to pop up and say—

      Frogs
      Brekekekex koax koax.

      Dionysus
      Song-loving brood,
      Stop!

      Frogs
      No, all the more
      will we sing, if ever
      On a sunshiny day,
      we leaped through the weeds
      and the rushes, rejoicing in the song's
      diving melodies,
      or fleeing Zeus' rain
      at the bottom our watery dance—
      song we sang
      with bubbles and splashes.

      Dionysus
      Brekekekex koax koax.
      I'll just take this from you.

      Frogs
      Ah, then we'll suffer horribly.

      Dionysus
      But I suffer worse,
      if I explode as I row.

      Frogs
      Brekekekex koax koax.

      Dionysus
      Croak on—it doesn't bother me.

      Frogs
      You bet we'll shout
      as much as our throats
      can hold, all day long.

      Dionysus
      Brekekekex koax koax.
      You won't beat me with that.

      Frogs
      And you won't beat us at all.

      Dionysus
      Nor you me, oh no,
      Never! For I will shout
      if I have to, all day long,
      until I vanquish you with this koax.
      brekekekex koax koax.

      posted in Chit Chat
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    • RE: Germany forced to bail out bankrupt countries like Spain and Greece

      @myrea:

      And if you stopped and actually researched you'd know that in some countries you can't drive a car which is not insured, it's illegal.

      You have misquoted me.  Why would you have need of car insurance if you do not drive.  I stated that 75% of the people walked or rode a bicycle instead of using a car or they use a form of mass transportation. Although this is not the case everywhere in the country, it is true for major cities there.  I am certain insurance is required in all first world countries, that goes without saying.  I am also quite certain that the driving laws here are much stringent.  Driving with a blood alcohol concentration greater than 0,02% will earn you 6 months imprisonment.  In Germany there is absolutely zero tolerance.  New drivers will have their license revoked.

      U.S.
      First - $13,500.00 (£8.880,00) and it remains on your driving record for 10 years
      Second - $28,000.00 (18.420,00)
      Third - $50,000.00 (£32.890,00)

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: Germany forced to bail out bankrupt countries like Spain and Greece

      They charge 80 SEK per day for a hospital stay plus I think around 2500 SEK for drugs.  That low cost is maintained by the tax system.  Their VAT is the highest in the world.  As for the cars, very few people actually use them on a day to day basis.  Their mass transit system is great and about 75% of people who live in Copenhagen walk or ride a bike everywhere.  Car insurance is not absolutely necessary.  There has not been any sarcastic remarks, only factual statements.  You think 62 is high for a retirement, which is interesting.  There is no possible way that you are going to convince me that you pay more taxes than either the UK, Sweden, Denmark or Norway.  Especially when you have not provided any sources to that effect because none exist.  The aforementioned countries in southern Europe have never superpowers nor have they ever been completely solvent.  The credit ratings speak to that effect.

      I have places in both the U.S. and Sweden.  In California, every time I eat at a restaurant, I am charged 8,75% plus a 20% gratuity if you don't want them to spit in your food next time.  The tax does differ county to county in California; however, it is mostly the same.  Since you do not customarily leave a gratuity in Europe, it is actually cheaper than the U.S. or at least in California.  20% + 8,75% is 1,0875 * 1,2000 = 1,305 or 30,5%.  All food items are taxed unless you go to Subway or some items in the supermarket.

      Scandinavians seem to be a very contented people.  I believe evidence of this can substantiated by their low violent crime.

      Murders per 100.000

      | Country | Rate | Population |
      | Liechtenstein | 0,0 | 36.925 |
      | Monaco | 0,0 | 37.831 |
      | Iceland | 0,3 | 323.002 |
      | Japan | 0,3 | 127.300.000 |
      | Sweden | 0,7 | 9.593.000 |
      | Denmark | 0,8 | 5.614.000 |
      | Germany | 0,8 | 80.620.000 |
      | Netherlands | 0,9 | 16.800.000 |
      | United Kingdom | 1,0 | 64.100.000 |
      | France | 1,0 | 62.814.000 |
      | Oman | 1,1 | 3.632.000 |
      | Qatar | 1,1 | 2.169.000 |
      | Australia | 1,1 | 23.130.000 |
      | Portugal | 1,2 | 10.460.000 |
      | Bosnia and Herzegovina | 1,3 | 3.829.000 |
      | Tajikstan | 1,6 | 8.208.000 |
      | Finland | 1,6 | 5.439.000 |
      | Libya | 1,7 | 6.202.000 |
      | Greece | 1,7 | 11.030.000 |

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: 20 laziest countries in the world

      I doubt that is the reason.  Just because you are a housewife, does not mean that you don't have chore nor does it mean that you are not active.

      posted in Chit Chat
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    • RE: What’s a gay Christian?

      Well, you asked about religion.  If you just want without making cogent arguments, start another thread.  If you don't believe in God, then why bring up all the religion nonsense.  Maybe, God can make a believer out of you yet?  :funny2: :pope:

      posted in Religion & Philosophy
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    • RE: Germany forced to bail out bankrupt countries like Spain and Greece

      If Greece is a democracy, then it is the people's responsibility to elect who they want.  When the political don't do what you want, you vote them out.  Germans are not voting in Grecian elections; therefore, it is your responsibility for the way things are in your country.  Accept your hand in current situation.  Either you, as a people allowed it to happen by not participating or you elected corrupt politicians.  Every countries has them so stop acting as if you are the only people who have had it rough.  Imagine that someone else has been using your social security income that was meant for you.  You would be righteously upset.  That is exactly what has happened.  Taxpayers money has been diverted to other countries who were irresponsible.  If these countries want sovereignty, they need to take responsibility for their actions and not blame other countries.  You cannot have your cake and eat it too.  You cannot have sovereignty to make your own decisions, then blame others when it goes awry.  A simple fact of the matter is that other countries have been managing for some time now.  It is not about natural resources or size.  Scandinavia has freezing weather, is too close to Russia for my taste and is quite small, yet they manage.  The UK has terrible weather, is the size of the state of Oregon and pays £1.34 per litre of petrol and they are not complaining.  I believe you even have to pay a congestion tax CCAP upon gas guzzling vehicle of £10.50/day.  Car insurance will run you approximately £5,000/year.  They have a value added tax of 20%, which is still belows Sweden's of 25%.  The cost of living is much higher there.
      https://www.tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge/paying-the-congestion-charge

      Another simple fact is that people don't like paying for other people's messes.  62 years old is earlier than most countries.  23% tax is low for me anyway and I bet for the UK as well.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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