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    • RE: Do dead people feel any pain?

      @raphjd:

      Ok, you are using "death-row" as sentenced to death.     I'm using it to mean the actual death-row.

      I think Florida has the most women sentenced to death, but they rarely execute women.

      Not all states with the death penalty are as eager to kill as Texas.

      I'm not sure what you mean.  I think you mean "death-row" as being inmates who have had their death warrants signed by the governor and a date has been set for their execution.  I couldn't find any explanation of how they delineate between the two… and they don't define what "actual death-row" is.  There are mountains of information out there.. but most of it is irrelevant, misleading, inaccurate, ambiguous, or false.  That is why moonbats are able to monopolize the media.

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • Lengthy report on how FACEBOOK is just like a for-profit NSA

      I haven't had time to read all of this myself yet.. I'm busy fighting with my wireless router and internet speeds (it's supposed to be 500 but is only getting 110)

      How Facebook Figures Out Everyone You've Ever Met
      Kashmir Hill  11/07/17 9:39am  Filed to: People You May Know

      In real life, in the natural course of conversation, it is not uncommon to talk about a person you may know. You meet someone and say, “I’m from Sarasota,” and they say, “Oh, I have a grandparent in Sarasota,” and they tell you where they live and their name, and you may or may not recognize them.

      You might assume Facebook’s friend recommendations would work the same way: You tell the social network who you are, and it tells you who you might know in the online world. But Facebook’s machinery operates on a scale far beyond normal human interactions. And the results of its People You May Know algorithm are anything but obvious. In the months I’ve been writing about PYMK, as Facebook calls it, I’ve heard more than a hundred bewildering anecdotes:

      A man who years ago donated sperm to a couple, secretly, so they could have a child—only to have Facebook recommend the child as a person he should know. He still knows the couple but is not friends with them on Facebook.
          A social worker whose client called her by her nickname on their second visit, because she’d shown up in his People You May Know, despite their not having exchanged contact information.
          A woman whose father left her family when she was six years old—and saw his then-mistress suggested to her as a Facebook friend 40 years later.
          An attorney who wrote: “I deleted Facebook after it recommended as PYMK a man who was defense counsel on one of my cases. We had only communicated through my work email, which is not connected to my Facebook, which convinced me Facebook was scanning my work email.”

      Investigating the secret algorithm that knows who you know

      Connections like these seem inexplicable if you assume Facebook only knows what you’ve told it about yourself. They’re less mysterious if you know about the other file Facebook keeps on you—one that you can’t see or control.

      Behind the Facebook profile you’ve built for yourself is another one, a shadow profile, built from the inboxes and smartphones of other Facebook users. Contact information you’ve never given the network gets associated with your account, making it easier for Facebook to more completely map your social connections.
      Behind the Facebook profile you’ve built for yourself is another one, a shadow profile, built from the inboxes and smartphones of other Facebook users.

      Shadow contact information has been a known feature of Facebook for a few years now. But most users remain unaware of its reach and power. Because shadow-profile connections happen inside Facebook’s algorithmic black box, people can’t see how deep the data-mining of their lives truly is, until an uncanny recommendation pops up.

      Facebook isn’t scanning the work email of the attorney above. But it likely has her work email address on file, even if she never gave it to Facebook herself. If anyone who has the lawyer’s address in their contacts has chosen to share it with Facebook, the company can link her to anyone else who has it, such as the defense counsel in one of her cases.

      Facebook will not confirm how it makes specific People You May Know connections, and a Facebook spokesperson suggested that there could be other plausible explanations for most of those examples—“mutual friendships,” or people being “in the same city/network.” The spokesperson did say that of the stories on the list, the lawyer was the likeliest case for a shadow-profile connection.

      Handing over address books is one of the first steps Facebook asks people to take when they initially sign up, so that they can “Find Friends.” The “Find Friends” option on desktop is very basic:
      You enter your email address and then your email password, and Facebook will tell you everyone you know on Facebook. Meanwhile, Facebook holds on to all the contacts you handed over.

      The “Find Friends” page in the Facebook smartphone app is more inviting, presenting a picture of a spray of flowers and inviting the user to “See who’s on Facebook by continuously uploading your contacts.”

      Down in the fine print, below the “Get Started” button, the page states that “Info about your contacts…will be sent to Facebook to help you and others find friends faster.” This is vague, and the purpose remains vague even after you click on “Learn More”:

      When you choose to find friends on Facebook, we’ll use and securely store information about your contacts, including things like names and any nicknames; contact photo; phone numbers and other contact or related information you may have added like relation or profession; as well as data on your phone about those contacts. This helps Facebook make recommendation for you and others, and helps us provide a better service.

      Take a look at all the possible information associated with a contact on your phone. Then consider the accumulated data your phone is carrying about various people, whether lifelong friends or passing acquaintances.

      Facebook warns users to be judicious about using all this data. “You may have business or personal contacts in your phone,” the Learn More screen admonishes the reader. “Please only send friend requests to people you know personally who would welcome the invite.”

      Having issued this warning, and having acknowledged that people in your address book may not necessarily want to be connected to you, Facebook will then do exactly what it warned you not to do. If you agree to share your contacts, every piece of contact data you possess will go to Facebook, and the network will then use it to try to search for connections between everyone you know, no matter how slightly—and you won’t see it happen.

      Facebook doesn’t like, and doesn’t use, the term “shadow profiles.” It doesn’t like the term because it sounds like Facebook creates hidden profiles for people who haven’t joined the network, which Facebook says it doesn’t do. The existence of shadow contact information came to light in 2013 after Facebook admitted it had discovered and fixed “a bug.” The bug was that when a user downloaded their Facebook file, it included not just their friends’ visible contact information, but also their friends’ shadow contact information.

      The problem with the bug, for Facebook, was not that all the information was lumped together—it was that it had mistakenly shown users the lump existed. The extent of the connections Facebook builds around its users is supposed to be visible only to the company itself.

      Facebook does what it can to underplay how much data it gathers through contacts, and how widely it casts its net. “People You May Know suggestions may be based on contact information we receive from people and their friends,” Facebook spokesperson Matt Steinfeld wrote in an email. “Sometimes this means that a friend or someone you know might upload contact information—like an email address or phone number—that we associate with you. This and other signals from you help us to make sure that the people we suggest are those you likely already know and want to become friends with on Facebook.”

      Users of Instagram and WhatsApp, which are owned by Facebook, can also upload contacts to those apps, but Steinfeld said that Facebook does not currently use that data for Facebook friend suggestions. “Today, we use contacts uploaded to Facebook and Messenger to inform PYMK suggestions,” he wrote.
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      Through the course of reporting this story, I discovered that many of my own friends had uploaded their contacts. While encouraging me to do the same, Facebook’s smartphone app told me that 272 of my friends have already done so. That’s a quarter of all my friends.

      But big as it is, that’s not even the relevant number. When Steinfeld wrote “a friend or someone you might know,” he meant anyone—any person who might at some point have labeled your phone number or email or address in their own contacts. A one-night stand from 2008, a person you got a couch from on Craiglist in 2010, a landlord from 2013: If they ever put you in their phone, or you put them in yours, Facebook could log the connection if either party were to upload their contacts.

      That accumulation of contact data from hundreds of people means that Facebook probably knows every address you’ve ever lived at, every email address you’ve ever used, every landline and cell phone number you’ve ever been associated with, all of your nicknames, any social network profiles associated with you, all your former instant message accounts, and anything else someone might have added about you to their phone book.

      As far as Facebook is concerned, none of that even counts as your own information. It belongs to the users who’ve uploaded it, and they’re the only ones with any control over it.
      All the people who know you and who choose to share their contacts with Facebook are making it easier for Facebook to make connections you may not want it to make.

      It’s what the sociologist danah boyd calls “networked privacy”: All the people who know you and who choose to share their contacts with Facebook are making it easier for Facebook to make connections you may not want it to make—say if you’re in a profession like law, medicine, social work, or even journalism, where you might not want to be connected to people you encounter at work, because of what it could reveal about them or you, or because you may not have had a friendly encounter with them.

      Imagine the challenge for people trying to maintain two different identities, such as sex workers or undercover investigators. Not only do you have to keep those identities apart like a security professional, you have to make sure that no one else links them either. If just one person you know has contact information for both identities and gives Facebook access to it, your worlds collide. Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent would be screwed.

      Shadow profile data powers Facebook’s effort to connect as many people as possible, in as many ways as possible. The company’s ability to perceive the threads connecting its billion-plus users around the globe led it to announce last year that it’s not six degrees that separate one person from another—it’s just three and a half.

      With its vast, hidden black book, Facebook can go beyond simply matching you directly with someone else who has your contact information. The network can do contact chaining—if two different people both have an email address or phone number for you in their contact information, that indicates that they could possibly know each other, too. It doesn’t even have to be an address or phone number that you personally told Facebook about.

      This is how a psychiatrist’s patients were recommended to one another and may be why a man had his secret biological daughter recommended to him. (He and she would have her parents’ contact information in common.) And it may explain why a non-Facebook user had his ex-wife recommended to his girlfriend. Facebook doesn’t keep profiles for non-users, but it does use their contact information to connect people.

      “Mobile phone numbers are even better than social security numbers for identifying people,” said security technologist Bruce Schneier by email. “People give them out all the time, and they’re strongly linked to identity.”
      “Mobile phone numbers are even better than social security numbers for identifying people.”

      Facebook won’t tell you how many people who aren’t your friends have handed over your contact information. The contents of your shadow profiles are not yours to see.

      As Violet Blue wrote in Cnet at the time of the shadow-profile bug, “What the revelation means is that Facebook has much more information on us than we know, it may not be accurate, and despite everyone’s best efforts to keep Facebook from knowing our phone numbers or work email address, the social network is getting our not-for-sharing numbers and email addresses anyway by stealing them (albeit through ‘legitimate’ means) from our friends.”

      What if you don’t like Facebook having this data about you? All you need to do is find every person who’s ever gotten your contact information and uploaded it to Facebook, and then ask them one by one to go to Facebook’s contact management page and delete it.

      Just don’t miss anyone. “Once a contact is deleted, we remove it from our system—but of course it is possible that the same contact has been uploaded by someone else,” Steinfeld wrote in an email.

      The shadow profiles, like the People You May Know system they feed into, can’t be turned off or opted out of. The one thing you can do to impede Facebook’s contacts-based connections is, through its Privacy Settings menu, keep people from finding your profile by searching your phone number or email address. (Yes, Facebook functions as a reverse phone-number look-up service; under the default settings, anyone can put your phone number into the search bar and pull up your account.)

      “Let’s say you’ve shared your phone number [or email address] with a lot of people and don’t want strangers using it to search for you on Facebook,” Steinfeld wrote. “You can limit who can look you up on Facebook by that phone number [or email address] to ‘friends.’ This is also a signal that People You May Know uses. So if a stranger uploads his address book including that phone number [or email address, it] won’t be used to suggest you to that stranger in People You May Know.”
      These privacy settings are an undocumented way to control to whom you get recommended in People You May Know.

      But you can only block People You May Know from using information you’ve actively provided to Facebook, not what’s in your shadow profile. So to protect your privacy, you need to provide Facebook with even more information about you.

      I asked if Facebook would consider sharing shadow profile information with its users, much like it accidentally shared it with their friends four years ago. Facebook says it can’t because it would be a privacy violation of those who gave the information.

      “When you choose to upload your contacts to Facebook, we consider your privacy along with the privacy of the friends, family, and others who gave you their phone number or email address,” said Facebook spokesperson Matt Steinfeld by email. “We acknowledge that people might want to see the contact information that’s been uploaded about them to Facebook, but we also have a responsibility to the people choosing to upload this information. This is a balance and we’ll continue listening to people’s feedback.”

      Steinfeld also said that while Facebook doesn’t currently “offer a way for people to manage the contact information others have uploaded that might be related to them, this is something I’ve shared with the team.”

      As usual, I asked to speak with the People You May Know team directly, but was turned down.

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • RE: Do dead people feel any pain?

      @raphjd:

      For this thread, let's just focus on the main point; do dead people feel pain.

      ++++

      The reason only a few are put on death-row, is because until they get to a certain point in their appeals process, they are kept in "Gen Pop" if it's safe for them to be there.

      Texas, for example, executes 5 to 6 times more men each year than they have death-row cells.

      Yes, but even being put on death row doesn't mean much.  Only a small fraction of people on death row are ever executed.

      "Take 2013, for example, the latest year for which BJS published capital punishment data. Of the 2,979 people on death row in that year, 39 were executed, and 31 died of natural causes, suicide or murder by another inmate, according to BJS numbers."

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • RE: Do dead people feel any pain?

      @Dene:

      @Frederick:

      I recently read a twitter comment that was quite poignant.

      The person pointed out that dead people feel no pain, so executing criminals is actually doing the criminal a favor. (assuming they are guilty of a crime worth of being executed for).

      I get that point of view.. it is giving them the easy way out. I don't think the pain of knowing you are about to die (no matter the criminal's bravado up to that point) is something to factor in, the terror/pain etc you'd feel knowing you were about to die would be a punishment but short lived.. but I think a - genuine non parole doing proper non cushy hard labour etc - life time sentence is more hell.. i'd think so anyway.

      Plus there are more than a "few" cases of "oops" we got it wrong.. in fact in Australia part of the reason it was abolished was due to some very flimsy trials with some being shown as total messes of injustice.

      So few of the people on Death Row are ever executed that I doubt any of them seriously think they will be executed until the day of the execution.  In fact, I think the opposite happens frequently.. the people on death row get tired of waiting and just WANT the execution to be done and over with to put an end to their suffering. 
      People can argue about the death penalty all they want, but when it comes right down to it, the judicial system and humans in general are not credible, competent, nor fair enough to be executing anybody.

      I thought you said you were RED?  I see that you are GREEN!  Like a little green sprout!  HO HO HO!

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      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • A prediction about Jeff Sessions..

      To get confirmed as Attorney General, Jeff Sessions recused himself in all matters concerning Russia.  He did this without telling Trump first.  Trump has said if he knew that Sessions was going to recuse himself, he would have picked someone else for attorney general.

      I'm not going to spend the time to go into it, but that recusal created the problems with the FBI, the deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein (carried over from Obama's regime), the appointing of Herr Mueller, and other disasters.

      In short, Sessions has been a huge liability and obstacle for Trump's presidency.  I don't think Sessions will be attorney general much longer.. and when he is replaced.. you will see Trump's presidency put things in order almost overnight.

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • RE: UCLA Players Depart China – After Trump Asked for Xi's Help

      @flozen:

      http://www.newsweek.com/lonzo-ball-liangelo-ball-lavar-ball-basketball-711547

      I think I'm having difficulty staying completely neutral in judgment, due to the one player being from the (in)famous Lavar Ball "dynasty," that blowhard father with the ridiculous statements, and above all, the rapacious sneaker lines:

      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2732690-lavar-ball-teases-lavar-icci-big-baller-brand-shoe-1500-or-higher-price-tag

      Which is to say, I would have been fine with a trial in China, particularly if the video evidence is compelling.  Three people don't all make the same "walked out absentmindedly" mistake.  Terrible, entitled ambassadors for the U.S.

      As a Gator alum living through an awful football season – precipitated by nine players being suspended for credit card fraud for silly purchases -- it never ceases to amaze me how student athletes can jeopardize their careers over such idiocy.

      https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/9/26/16358578/florida-gators-football-players-charges-allegations-credit-card-fraud

      I never understood the concept of having sports teams at universities.  Obviously they are exploited to the Nth degree.  If they are going to have sports, they should not be allowed to televise the games, or at least not televise the games for money. 
      At the University I went to, an old lady donated a massive amount of land to the University with the stipulation that they NEVER have a football team at that University.  About 20 years later, they managed to get their football team and keep the land, claiming the woman was senile when she made that stipulation in her will.

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • RE: Do dead people feel any pain?

      @flozen:

      Dead people might feel no pain.  But in your example, as applied to the executed person, his brain might know he's dead for a short time:

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/mind-works-after-death-consciousness-sam-parnia-nyu-langone-a8007101.html

      (This, of course, allows his malevolent "brain force" to take over the body of a nearby living person, then gain murderous revenge on everyone who took him down.  At least, in the movies.)

      And we're already revisiting the topic of executing criminals and the whole sureness of guilt thing?  It was quite the divisive flashpoint only a few days ago.

      That topic will not go away completely.. because I know of a guy who was convicted of 1st degree murder who is not guilty, pled not guilty, was not proven guilty.. all the evidence points to his neighbor being guilty.. and the jury was lied to consistently throughout the trial.  The only reason he was convicted is because he was forced to take enough medications to kill a horse.. and after 20 months after the crime decided to take his defense attorneys advice to go for an insanity plea and be put in a mental hospital for 2 or 3 years.  To pursue an insanity plea, you can't DENY doing the crime - so they didn't have to prove him guilty.  It looked to everyone including the media that he would be found insane.  All 5 psychiatrists that interviewed the defendant testified that the defendant was insane (interestingly, the 5 defense psychiatrists were all working for the prosecution's psychiatrist who did not interview the defendant but said he was faking to get an insanity plea).  That same prosecution psychiatrist was originally chosen by the defense attorney, but the defendant refused to talk to him and did not want to pursue an insanity plea at the time.  At the very last second of the trial when it all was in the defendant's favor to get the insanity plea.. the defendant's own defense attorney told the jury to IGNORE the diagnoses of the five psychiatrists.. essentially dropping the insanity plea which was the entire defense at the last possible moment before the jury went out to deliberate!  The father of the murder victim thanked the DEFENSE attorney right after the 1st degree murder conviction was issued, and said he wished the man could be EXECUTED!  The father of the victim who was 60 years old at the time then had the balls to set up a website where people could send HIM money as "compensation" for his loss!

      But I digress..

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • Rachel Madcow is an idiot

      Rachel Maddow is on live TV blaming Nixon for making an agreement with the Russians in 1969 to construct new embassies in Moscow & Washington DC. She says it was an espionage coup for the Russians because of the bugs planted in 1978 and 1979.  Who was president in 1978 & 1979? (it was JIMMY CARTER)

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • Do dead people feel any pain?

      I recently read a twitter comment that was quite poignant.

      The person pointed out that dead people feel no pain, so executing criminals is actually doing the criminal a favor. (assuming they are guilty of a crime worth of being executed for).

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • "We don't take kindly to your kind of folk around here!"

      This black professor says he will no longer be friends with any white people because of Trump's election.

      This kind of double-standard pisses me off.  Imagine someone saying "I'm not going to vote for Osama because he's black!"   People would attack that person mercilessly.
      How can you say the USA is racist, when only 12% of the population is black.. and yet Sheik Obama was elected TWICE for 8 years!  Osama managed to get elected despite not even providing a birth certificate until 1.5 years after being elected.. elected despite the fact that he is a muslim (he sure doesn't embrace Christianity!) .. elected despite having done virtually nothing before being elected (and yet handed a Nobel Peace Prize for.. uh.. being black?)..  elected despite being raised in muslim Indonesia by a islamic cleric until the age of 13.  
      Hmm.. the USA is racist!  Racist in that there is a massive bias that favors black people.  
      If you are black, not in prison, have over a million dollars, and not an athlete, can speak without saying "fuck, bitch, nigga" in every sentence.. you have a good chance at being president.  
      And even then…

      http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/11/13/black-professor-in-ny-times-oped-rules-out-friendship-with-whites-now-that-trump-is-president-what-s-next.html

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      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • RE: Women in the military..

      @flozen:

      I can't speak to all of the points, but I did find two interesting articles that slightly broaden the theme:

      There's a lot of pregnancy in the Navy!

      http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/01/exclusive-deployed-us-navy-has-a-pregnancy-problem-and-its-getting-worse/

      …and maternity leave provisions in the Army have been expanded:

      https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2016/03/01/army-s-new-maternity-leave-policy-is-now-official/

      (One could ask, how to address the first?  And second, are the expanded provisions overdue – or overly generous?)


      As far as a specific connection between enlisted women, and increased pregnancy rates during wartime as an "escape clause," I'd ask to see the solid research on that, before going further.

      When you said the word NAVY, that sparked a thought in my head.  I'm pretty sure that there has historically been a very high proportion of women in the Navy who are lesbians.  I wonder how the military handled/handles that.  I bet the rules about homosexuality in the military only apply to gay men.. and not lesbians.

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • RE: UCLA Players Depart China – After Trump Asked for Xi's Help

      @cteavin:

      @Frederick:

      Second, this shoplifting happened while Trump was in China.  Had it not, Trump would never have been sucked into the case.
      Third, I'm sure that some reporter brought up the incident to Trump.  Trump was then OBLIGATED to mention it to Xi.. and Xi was OBLIGATED to let them off as a gesture of courtesy.

      I agree with Fred on the bolded.

      Given the nature of the tour POTUS was taking, there was no other way to proceed. Personally, I think they should have been sent to Chinese prison in accordance with the law. If you're so disrespectful of another country that you decided to break their laws while there, you should be subject to their penalties. Also, they should lose their places on the UCLA basketball team. Others will justify this by justifying it through their stereotypes of Chinese people and the Chinese government. Others will say they were targeted because they are black.

      On an aside, this morning one of Japan's top sumo players did some kind of violent action yesterday (I haven't read the details, yet.) He took responsibility and stepped down. THAT is what those basketball players should do. They are, for better or worse, role models. They broke the law. They'll most likely deny the charges or play the victim and so teach another generation the worst ways to act. Their supporters will use preexisting stereotypes of the Chinese and/or the Chinese government to support their justification; others will say the bb players were targeted because they're black.

      I wouldn't go that far… China has some pretty brutal laws.  They are not above executing someone for stealing $50.. and making the family of the criminal pay for the bullet used to execute the criminal.

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • Women in civilian jobs…

      In a civilian job, if a woman takes maternity leave, and another person has to take over that woman's job… should the woman be entitled to her job and position back after the maternity leave?  What then becomes of the person that did the job during the woman's absence?  I've know of women to take a year off from work or more after having a baby.

      (then they bitch about not getting raises or promotions just because they are a woman)

      One thing I agree with feminists about is that it is outrageous that women are paid about 80 cents for every dollar that men make. 
      That is not fair, and is totally ABSURD! 
      Women should only be paid about 50 cents for every dollar that men make.

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • Women in the military..

      In the military, the women always want the right to hold any office or position.. including having millions spent on them for air force training - and they want the same pay.. but when a military conflict or war breaks out.. quite a lot of them magically get pregnant making them exempt from battle.  If they can't fulfill their military obligation because of the pregnancy.. do they lose the benefits that they would have gotten if they completed their tour of duty?

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • Women in prison - pregnancies..

      I did a little bit of research on this minutes ago, but didn't find anything informative about it.

      The issue of pregnant women in prison:

      if they are pregnant at the time of being sentenced, do they go to prison?
      in some states, male guards can get access to the female inmates for hanky panky.. then what happens?
      if a woman is an inmate, can she have a male come in on a conjugal visit to knock her up?  what then?
      can women get conjugal visits from any John Thomas, Dick Long, or Harry Balls?  or do they have to me married?
      would a marriage WHILE in prison qualify?
      do you think that women are rarely put in prison because of the pregnancy complication?
      what becomes of the woman when it is found she is pregnant?
      what becomes of the baby if born in prison?

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • RE: UCLA Players Depart China – After Trump Asked for Xi's Help

      @flozen:

      You may be aware of the three UCLA Basketball players who were detained by Chinese police on November 7, on allegations of shoplifting from a Louis Vuitton store – ironically, occurring during a sports "goodwill tour."

      And while the young men might have been subject to a three- to 10-year sentence -- depending on interpretation of Chinese criminal code -- they went home today, after U.S. President Donald Trump said he had sought the help of Chinese President Xi Jinping.  Trump later told reporters, “What they did was unfortunate.”

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ucla-china/ucla-players-depart-china-after-trump-asked-for-xis-help-idUSKBN1DE0E6

      Do you think the President was correct to ask the favor of President Xi?  Or, should the case have proceeded?  Does "unfortunate" convey the right message to our youth?

      Do you feel that, whatever the sport, American athletes deserve this level of intervention overseas?  Or, was there something in this particular drama that made it "especially deserving"?

      It was various circumstances that led to that. 
      First, I wonder what the "shoplifting" entailed.  Did they intentionally make sure nobody was looking and then slip the sunglasses into their pocket?  Or, did they try the glasses on, leave them on.. and walk out of the store - either thinking the store wouldn't mind the celebrities taking a gift.. or forgetting to take them off.  I remember many years ago, I went into a KMart to buy a quart of motor oil.  That KMart was part of a shopping mall.  It had several cash register aisles on the side of the store that led to the parking lot outside.  There was also a large opening where you could walk right into the main enclosed mall.  I forgot I was carrying the quart of oil, and walked right into the main mall by accident! 
      Second, this shoplifting happened while Trump was in China.  Had it not, Trump would never have been sucked into the case.
      Third, I'm sure that some reporter brought up the incident to Trump.  Trump was then OBLIGATED to mention it to Xi.. and Xi was OBLIGATED to let them off as a gesture of courtesy.

      Basically, it was a public relations problem that got easily resolved.  In fact, knowing how China operates, I would not be surprised if that players were somehow misled or set up to be caught for shoplifting while Trump was there.. so China could gain public relations points by "showing mercy" and deflecting their human rights violations by putting the heat on the USA while Trump was there.

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • RE: Where do you get your news?

      @raphjd:

      The BBC is pretty SJW.   Name any SJW talking point and they report it as fact.    They de-muslim stories whenever they can.

      I very rarely watch the BBC.. but they seem to be fair with Trump.

      I'm sure they give muslims a free pass since muslims are so powerful in England.  Even the mayor of London is muslim.. and hates Trump.

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • RE: Does reputation or the thumbs up/down button mean anything to you?

      @cteavin:

      @Frederick:

      You have 5 dots…  but I was replying to DENE - who has but one.   One dot does not make a person bad.

      But five does, eh? (lol)

      Well, 1 is barely anything.
      5 is not much.. but is a sign that there is a problem.  
      When someone has 12 red dots (which is the maximum visible) THAT means the poster is a psycho moonbat.  When someone has 12 red dots, bring out the straight jackets!

      Youtube Video – [02:14..]

      Check out the original.. which got over 18 MILLION views!
      Youtube Video

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      Frederick
      Frederick
    • RE: What does GQ stand for?

      @cteavin:

      @Frederick:

      The "top"?   I don't know what you mean by the "top". 
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      I think they got rid of Colon because his skills were slipping.  He may have intentionally decided to make himself as radical and absurd as possible to get attention and play the martyred "race card" to try and save his career that was going down the drain.

      Sorry, that should have been TOPIC.

      You might be right about him. It's an interesting take nonetheless. As far as sports go, unless I think he's handsome, I won't have any interest.  ;D

      What a player looks like is something unique to football.. because with all that body armor on.. and those helmets.. if they didn't have their names and numbers on their jerseys - who could tell them apart?  I remember once I was looking at the website of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers - where they had a gallery of face photos of their players.  I know that there is a highly disproportionate number of one race in football, but the coach in 2015 was ridiculous!  His name was "Lovie Smith" and he had an agenda to replace any remaining white players on the team with black ones.  As I recall, the only white players left were those that were rarely if ever on the field.  The current coach is Dick Cutter or something like that.  I wonder if he does circumcisions?

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
    • RE: Where do you get your news?

      @cteavin:

      @Frederick:

      BBC is fine, but NPR?  They have been the fuel for left wing psychos for decades.

      NPR? Left-wing? I listen to some of their podcasts and have never had that impression. Oh, bloody hell, I think you're right. I'm thinking PBS. PBS is solid, imo.

      I do like To The Best Of Our Knowledge and Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, though. They're on NPR.

      To be fair, NPR isn't THAT bad.. but NPR is the news service that ultra left AM radio stations use for their news segments.  That is why I said it's the "fuel".

      posted in Politics & Debate
      Frederick
      Frederick
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