@lololulu19 "Too much reading" - Agree - I skimmed most of it - only responded to @raphjd original piece - which was thoughtful & interesting - whereas other comments here tend to change subject or be a different level.
Bible clearly grates on some people - which is OK in big picture, like "you do you" - but I slightly wonder why such people are in the thread, except maybe just to piss in it.
Background:
Studies show, vaxxed & unvaxxed people have similar likehood, over time, of covid infection
or sometimes that vaxxed may have GREATER likelihood; possible explanations continue to not be explored
in other words, vaxx protection is transient at best - or negative (appearing more like attraction than protection) in some studies & some time frames
Studies show that covid is airborne, as people exhale viral particles
Studies show that masks do little-or-nothing to stop the airborne spread
New (preprint) study shows that, when people have covid, their vaxx status makes little or no difference to how much airborne virus they exhale.
Vaccinated and unvaccinated patients exhale similar levels of virus over the course of infection, the research shows.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.09.06.23295138v1
Here, we collected exhaled breath specimens from COVID-19 patients and used RTq-PCR to show that numbers of exhaled SARS-CoV-2 RNA copies during COVID-19 infection do not decrease significantly until day 8 from symptom-onset. COVID-19-positive participants exhaled an average of 80 SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA copies per minute during the first 8 days of infection, with significant variability both between and within individuals, including spikes over 800 copies a minute in some patients. After day 8, there was a steep drop to levels nearing the limit of detection, persisting for up to 20 days. We further found that levels of exhaled viral RNA increased with self-rated symptom-severity, though individual variation was high. Levels of exhaled viral RNA did not differ across age, sex, time of day, vaccination status or viral variant.
All pieces in place now to show that covid vaxxes cannot reduce spread of covid. & therefore, never did.
If anyone needs to remember Fauci, Biden & many others claiming vaxx do stop the spread, or lessen it, & MUST be taken for love of others: let me know.
I'd be happy - except I'm not. Really it's sad, when libs face consequences they brought on.
Williams declined to prosecute 65% of all criminal cases in New Orleans in 2021
@raphjd Never complimented you on this article. Here goes. I agree with main point, though not with all side points.
Sodom was derived from the Hebrew word "S'dom," which means "burnt."
That's interesting because "faggot" has a meaning of "A bundle of sticks and branches bound together" - that you throw on a fire ie. burnt.
Various stories say how "faggot" came to mean "sexually subordinate male" but I figure it's another time homophobes connected gay bottoms to Sodom.
Why is it that we are told that the bible is an accurate written copy of the precise oral tradition when they can't even remember the actual names of the 2 cities?!
Easy to explain: the disaster made an impression. Bible has many times when something is renamed after big event; and sometimes, old name forgotten or left out.
bring them out so they could "know" them. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing exactly what "know" means in this situation
To me, "interrogate" them - like "get to know them, with undertone of suspicion & questions, potential violence" - is most natural & plausible reading.
No where does it say what the sex of the angels are
That's interesting. Bible usually represents angels as male, when on Earth. But as you say, it's unspecified here - and IF the angels were represented on Earth as female this time, then Lot offering his 2 daughters under a sexual interpretation starts to make more sense.
"anshei ha'ir, anshei S'dom" means "the people of the city [not only men]
Very interesting, if true.
You'd think that with all the fire and brimstone raining down...
This gets us to the scientific part. Sodom's destruction was more a 3900C flash event. (Could have rained stones in outlying areas.)
First - Bible's internal geographic indicators strongly put Sodom at North East end of Dead Sea.
https://www.amazon.com/Discovering-City-Sodom-Fascinating-Testaments-ebook/dp/B008J2BQTA
Known to 19th century scholars. Then 20th century scholars decided to put Sodom at south end of Dead Sea. That view still lives among 21st century scholars - but not all - pendulum begins to swing back.
And indeed there is a key ruin at NE end of Dead Sea, now called Tall El Hammam.
And it was destroyed roughly 3700 years ago by meteor airburst like Tuskunga of 1908.
Here is the paper, written by astrophysicists (NOT Steven Collins):
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97778-3
The question is not whether it happened. The paper went through unusual extra rounds of peer review after people kept questioning it. And survived.
The question, rather, is whether it is correct to move Abraham & Lot into same era & location & thus identify Tall El Hammam with Bible's "burnt - a ruined heap" city.
I say yes. Arguments exist on both sides. But arguments on the "no" side tend to be regressive misunderstandings of the "yes" side by people who simply hate Bible & want it to be 100% myth.
In a generation or two, I think identification of Tall El Hammam with Bible's "burnt - a ruined heap" city will be taken as obvious.
Thus, it will be (or maybe is already) impossible to call Sodom's existence & destruction a myth.
Still the question remains of WHETHER GOD destroyed Sodom and if yes, WHY. Let's get back to that.
Ezekeiel [sic; Ezekiel] 16:49 says "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." Again, no mention of homosexuality.
Yes. Well, you must continue into verse 50 which mentions people doing "detestable things". But again, that could mean anything. Still no specific reference to homosexuality.
Matthew 10:14-15 is a quote from Jesus...
Correct. Christ's quote links Sodom to the idea of deep inhospitality - cruelty to the needy & stranger - not to sex.
Judges 19:13-27...
That story, to me, is a little more obviously sexual.
Homophobes often forget how NORMAL, yet still potentially-disgraceful or sometimes-disgraceful, male-homosexual acts are in ancient & Middle Eastern cultures.
Guys will toss each other off, may even fuck each other secretly. But public rape - str8 rape or gay rape - Very disgraceful to the rape victim (female or male), and, since it shows cruelty and inhospitality, somewhat disgraceful to the rapist.
In other words: If Judges story is sexual, then it's a story about cruel public rape.
We can agree that all rape is wrong - whether it's adults having sex by force, or people molested who just can't give a meaningful consent (kids, needy subordinates, the dead).
Seems Frank Biden is a character. https://jonathanturley.org/2023/10/09/the-biden-family-tree-how-investigations-are-exposing-the-bidens-influence-peddling-dynasty/
Frank’s need for money was not only great but known to his brother. In 1999, at age 43, Frank was involved in a car crash in Cardiff-by-the-Sea near Encinitas, California. He was accused of responsibility for the death of single father Michael Albano and then of evading service and responsibility in lawsuits by Albano’s surviving children. He only recently began paying what he owes.
Having had his driver’s license suspended in Florida, Frank nonetheless rented a Jaguar and had a younger man [cough] whom he had met at a Whole Foods [cough] driving him. Biden, sitting in the passenger seat, reportedly shifted the car into manual gear and encouraged Jason Turton, 25, to “punch it,” at which point he hit 80 miles per hour in a 35 mph zone.
Turton was later reportedly found to have twice the allowed level of alcohol in his system. Witnesses said everyone in the car was drinking that day and Frank was accused of telling Turton to “keep driving” after killing Albano. Frank would ultimately remain at the scene after Turton ran off by foot.
The police report suggested Frank was uncooperative with police on key points of the investigation.
Frank Biden defaulted in the action brought by Albano’s daughters, but he left California and spent decades evading payments. When attorney John F. Hayter, representing the daughters, garnished Biden’s Wells Fargo bank account in February, he found it virtually empty.
It took 20 years to get him to pay any of the $1 million he owed in damages. He was also reportedly dodging creditors.
The daughters had repeatedly asked Joe Biden to intervene, but nothing occurred for years until he was running for the vice presidency and the media began to pick up on his brother’s evasion of liability.
When Biden was still a senator, Albano’s daughter did finally get a response from Joe Biden’s staff that explained, “As you are aware, however, Frank has no assets with which to satisfy the judgment. The senator regrets that this is where matters stand and that he cannot be more helpful.”
@raphjd Fact check: Mostly true.
Natural BO of Chad who had showered sometime in last 24 hrs & now does his awesome exercise habit, is great mmmmm!
BO of lazy resentful people who stew for days in lazy resentment, is foul.
& libs more likely to be the 2nd. While Chad is right-wing stereotype.
@lololulu19 Moon (sustained presence - not just tourist selfies), Mars, asteroids. LOTS of resources out there. Entire solar system literally made of resources - for our benefit.
But economic web at home, as a base for sustained efforts, must be very wide & deep. Elon figures we need a population of 16 billion & climbing, living in relative freedom ie. economic development & rule of law.
Idea that a small population could do it -IF- correctly "enlightened" & indoctrinated, is neo-Marxist fantasy. (Star Trek garbage)
You won't see this in "Brought to you by Pfizer" media.
But I haven't seen it yet from a scientist, so I don't vouch for it, ie. post to Debate rather than Health.
How could vaxx poster kids die of sudden heart failure?
But I have not personally done autopsies, checked death records etc.
The 8-year-old “poster boy” of Israel’s national Covid vaccine roll out has died suddenly after suffering cardiac arrest while taking a bath.
Yonatan Moshe Erlichman...appeared in a video produced by the Mateh Binyamin Regional Council in 2020 when he was just 5-years-old...The film emphasizes that children have no choice when it comes to getting the mRNA shots.
Last year, Argentina’s poster boy for childhood vaccination, Santino Godoy Blanco, also died at just 4 years old.
Healthy kids to die of sudden heart failure was nearly unheard-of, before something....... what? oh, something........... was done to many millions of kids.
...growing evidence that accounts offered by the White House over the discovery of [Biden thounsands of classified] documents are false...
after...his term as vice president [which, to begin with, never empowered Biden to declassify or keep anything], the documents were repeatedly moved and divided up. Some were found in the Penn Center office used by Biden in Washington, D.C. Others were found in his garage and reportedly in his library...
...The White House and Biden’s counsel have long maintained that, as soon as documents were discovered in the D.C. office, they notified the national archives...
It now appears that this was not true...evidence demolishes the timeline long maintained by the Biden team...
Biden’s counsel...declared repeatedly that no further classified documents were found. That was repeatedly found to be untrue.
Moreover...Biden’s lawyers, in the course of these private searches, may have consolidated material and contaminated the scene...
So, add conscious lying & destruction of evidence, to the rest.
Trump's rather minor documents case is, of course, faked by USA Regime to distract from Biden's.
@raphjd Much as I deplore this war, silver linings:
people can remove Ukraine flags now / stop pretend to support Ukraine
vaxx pressure, covid talk also on back burner
@raphjd This one is fine here - or could instead go under Religion?
But to your point, let's try to imagine headline like
Israeli Diplomat Stabbed in Honolulu During Catholic Call for ‘Day of Rage’
or even
USA Diplomat Stabbed in Nairobi During Buddhist Call for ‘Day of Rage’
They're unimaginable.
PS. Catholic Cardinal of Jerusalem offers to exchange himself for Israeli children taken hostage by Hamas
@lololulu19 Again I disagree. The bigger our population, the more we can sustain a technological & space-faring civilization.
"Population crisis" is no more worth worry, than "climate crisis".
Lib civil war, pro-Israel gets upper hand over pro-Hamas.
https://www.arabnews.com/node/2391271/media
LONDON: Two sources have confirmed to Arab News that US news network MSNBC has suspended the shows of three Muslim anchors amid rising tensions in Gaza.
Earlier today, Semafor revealed that Mehdi Hasan, Ayman Mohieddine and Ali Velshi were “quietly taken out of the anchor’s chair since Hamas’ attack on Israel.”...
@raphjd Wow she goes for the moral issue: coercion, segregation & discrimination.
The community that faced the most restrictions on their freedoms were [the unvaxxed]... fired from their job, or not allowed to watch their kids play hockey, or not allowed to go visit a loved one...not allowed to go get on a plane...or even travel across the border. So they have been the most discriminated-against group that I've ever witnessed in my lifetime, that's a pretty extreme level of discrimination... we are not going to create a segregated society on the basis of a medical choice.
Too many just do "If we knew then what we know now" type apologies, reflects downfall of the vaxx, BUT, suggests their own hateful, evil actions would have been OK - if only vaxx had been better products. Wrong.
Even if vaxx worked: coercion, discrimination & segregation was still morally evil.
Context:
Argentina "land of silver" is really "land of hyperinflation"
NO ONE saves in pesos, or ought to
Milei said nothing but truth
This is how world works. Fake charges, added to various types of ballot fraud, sometimes assassinations, sometimes wars, sometimes hoax to justify "lockdown"...is how Regimes rig elections. USA are experts.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/prosecutor-charges-argentine-trump-javier-milei-days-before-election
President Alberto Fernández had called for the investigation in a complaint filed Wednesday, saying that the right-wing populist candidate was trying to scare the public and that his actions were "a severe affront to the democratic system."
USA "Democrats" just nodded heads in agreement.
Prosecutor Franco Picardi on Friday referred a criminal case to a federal judge, going off Fernández's accusation that claimed Milei and other candidates on his party's ticket were inciting public fear...
Whoa - "public fear"?? REally?
Covid, anybody?
Climate, anybody?
"White nationalism" faked by USA FBI, anybody?
Milei is considered the frontrunner in the Oct. 22 election, after rocking Argentina’s political landscape when he unexpectedly received the most votes in August primaries that are widely seen as a massive poll of voter preferences.
Egypt doing EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to keep Gaza a prison, fuck-over Palestinians.
A senior Egyptian security official has told AP that Egypt has taken “unprecedented measures” to prevent a breach to its borders with Gaza. Thousands of security forces have been deployed at the border.
No "refugees" or "migrants who just need opportunity", for Egypt.
@raphjd If Gates weren't disgusting in other ways (cough, deadly vaxx), this would be a great quote:
“There’s a lot of climate exaggeration,” said Gates at a recent event. “The climate is not the end of the planet. So the planet is going to be fine...no temperate country is going to become uninhabitable."
@raphjd But did white life matter here - because he is Democrat?
Would Ingham County Prosecutor John Dewane done otherwise, if victim was, say, out to spread word about USA election fraud?
Still enriched by diversity: "French TV is reporting that a man shouted "Allahu akbar" before he killed a teacher and seriously injured two others this morning at a lycée in the centre of Arras, France."
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1712774954586894671
The teachers put themselves in front of students - suggests real target was students:
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1712799295659999529
Some want to hide the ethnic or Muslim angle:
A teacher was killed in a knife attack in a school in France’s northern city of Arras on Friday, while another teacher and the school’s security guard were injured, the latter seriously, police said.
https://twitter.com/globalnews/status/1712797607427297628
Btw - globalist Henry Kissinger, of all people, at age 100, just made a stunning admission:
Kissinger says it was 'grave mistake' for Germany to take in so many migrants
"It was a grave mistake to let in so many people of totally different culture and religion and concepts...
Ireland in trouble. Remember, they once did extreme things to be rid of British.
https://twitter.com/iamyesyouareno/status/1712757009110442395
