Handling "dead" torrents.
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Is there a way for the tracker to better report why a torrent is dead on the torrent client side?
I've got "some" unregistered torrents. (As reported by the tracker)
That means:- taken down?
- tracked decided to mark them as "dead"?
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Why I don't delete them? Because sometimes torrents "revive".
Could you improve that messaging system please?
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@kco said in Handling "dead" torrents.:
Is there a way for the tracker to better report why a torrent is dead on the torrent client side?
I've got "some" unregistered torrents. (As reported by the tracker)
That means:- taken down?
- tracked decided to mark them as "dead"?
- ¿?¿?
Why I don't delete them? Because sometimes torrents "revive".
Could you improve that messaging system please?
If there are no seeders, but the torrent wasn't deleted, you'll get a registration with the tracker...
If the torrent was deleted or suspended, you get the "unregistered torrent" - but that's because that particular torrent doesn't exist in the system anymore.. Tell me, do you leave a post-it note in the pantry when you throw away the empty cereal box? I don't! You know it's gone because it's not there anymore.
Finally, The moderators have a way to make a torrent "unavailable" - which I would think would also give you that "unregistered torrent" message. I had an upload that they wanted to "review" once... once it was "passed", it reappeared on the site.
Hopefully this explains what you're seeing - and why significant changes aren't really possible...
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@kco said in Handling "dead" torrents.:
I've got "some" unregistered torrents. (As reported by the tracker)
That means:
. taken down?"Unregistered torrent" usually means that the site has deleted the torrent--most likely because of a takedown request, but there can be other reasons. Once it's gone from the system, the tracker will no longer play matchmaker between you as a seeder and others who are leeching the torrent. But, if you were connected to other leechers when it was taken down, you'll be able to continue seeding to those specific leechers. The tracker is out of the loop at this point, and you won't get upload credit for whatever you're seeding...but will get the satisfaction of sharing your own seed with someone else. (The same situation is true in reverse if you were leeching material--if you were connected to seeders when the torrent was deleted from the tracker, you'll still be able to leech from them as long as they keep the torrent alive in their client.)
Why I don't delete them? Because sometimes torrents "revive".
Strictly speaking, a torrent that is removed won't "revive." But, if the original uploader (or someone who has snatched all of the content) uploads a new torrent with the same name and file contents, it will look similar enough to the tracker that if you still have the original torrent in your client, the tracker will connect to it and you can resume seeding to new leechers. While in my experience this doesn't happen very often, I will keep a dead torrent active in my client for a few days to see if a replacement torrent is uploaded. If this hasn't happened in a week, I'll delete the torrent from my client, and archive or delete any downloaded material.
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@eobox91103 said in Handling "dead" torrents.:
Strictly speaking, a torrent that is removed won't "revive." But, if the original uploader (or someone who has snatched all of the content) uploads a new torrent with the same name and file contents, it will look similar enough to the tracker that if you still have the original torrent in your client, the tracker will connect to it and you can resume seeding to new leechers. While in my experience this doesn't happen very often, I will keep a dead torrent active in my client for a few days to see if a replacement torrent is uploaded. If this hasn't happened in a week, I'll delete the torrent from my client, and archive or delete any downloaded material.
That's my point.
I get your point. I don't do it for the ratio but for keeping as many torrents as long as possible. I just would like to clean up some stuff in case its not possible to reupload again.
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f.e. here I am sharing "REDCLARK" torrent (29.1GB), and does not seem to be neither active nor dead. I can't find it in the tracker. Used to be rather popular.
I could reupload the torrent (wasn't mine) and share the content again or just delete it and make the content unavailable.
I'm not planning to delete the files (at least most of them) If i delete the torrent. I find a shame to just make the content unavailable, there are other torrents of this guy, but not as complete as this one.How do I know if it was taken down? If It was, how come there are older torrents with part of its content?
The expected "user behavour" is delete the torrent and forget about it? -
@kco said in Handling "dead" torrents.:
f.e. here I am sharing "REDCLARK" torrent (29.1GB), and does not seem to be neither active nor dead. I can't find it in the tracker. Used to be rather popular.
When you say "I am sharing ...," does your torrent client show other users that are live? I did a search for that torrent and didn't find it. In my client such a torrent will be identified as "unregistered," meaning that even though my client is trying to share it, the tracker doesn't recognize it, and won't hook me up with other users for file sharing.
How do I know if it was taken down?
If it shows up as unregistered, then it was removed from the system. The site will do this for a variety of reasons, such as a DMCA take-down request, a duplicate, something on the banned list, or general housekeeping if it's been dead for a long time. Admins/moderators don't discuss reasons for removing a specific torrent. If it's gone, it's gone.
If It was, how come there are older torrents with part of its content?
(I'm not an official site person, so I can only give my understanding here. If others have better information, please correct this.) If the torrent to which you refer was taken down in response to a valid DMCA request, it's possible there wasn't a request made on the older torrents--if they involve copyrighted material owned by the same people, perhaps they didn't see the other torrents, or didn't care about having them taken down.
The expected "user behavour" is delete the torrent and forget about it?
Since this site is all about sharing material, I think there's a philosophy of encouraging people to share as much as possible--and you seem to be a "good sharer." If you want the Redclark material to be available to other users, I suggest uploading a new torrent that will show up on the system. I don't know if you can upload the same torrent file that you downloaded from the site, or if you have to create a new torrent. I think it's the latter, because there's some user-specific information that is part of the torrent file...but someone else will have to weigh in on this one.
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Also not an official for the site, but IMHO, if you had a torrent that was removed (unregistered torrent error), I would avoid attempting to re-publish the exact same torrent again. As you don't know why it was removed, submitting the exact same torrent might raise alarm bells...
Instead, I would recommend creating a "collection" of 2 or more similar files and re-uploading them TOGETHER. That makes for a new torrent, if not new files.
Also, in case it was removed for being a duplicate, so long as your collection isn't a duplicate of someone else's collection, you don't get removed for THAT cause. (If it has something else wrong with it - like it's kiddie porn, or something banned like that - don't submit it at all, naturally!)
