Dems who once decried "loose canon" Trump, now defending Biden "going off script"
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Throughout the Trump administration, President Trump would routinely add his own words to speeches - esp at pressers... much to the dismay of his staff, and the delight of his detractors. He had some real doozies in his day (remember when he - off the cuff - seemed to imply that he wanted to use household disinfectants, intravenously, to fight COVID-19?)
The Dems were all "The President's words matter" at the time...
Now, the President is an even OLDER man: Joe Biden... and one who, while not as often (IMHO: because he's not actively trying to be the headline of every news-cycle!) ALSO has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth!
Most recently, President Biden remarked that (paraphrasing) Putin cannot remain in power... which is an implication that he's ready to commit to "regime change" in Russia! (That is actually a violation of US Law - for the US to "participate in the overthrow" of a Government, esp if done violently - without the express approval of Congress... like was done for Iraq).
Also, while in Poland and addressing US Troops stationed there, Biden remarked "off the cuff" that they (the troops) would see for themselves the butchery of Putin's army in Ukraine... in spite of the fact that we have a National Security Policy that states that we WILL NOT send US Troops to Ukraine as part of this conflict! (oops)
This is what happens when you have leaders THIS OLD! Biden is even older than Trump - and neither are mentally as sharp as they once were.
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Come on, you can't be that dumb.
Trump could do no right and Biden can do no wrong.
There were/are 2 sets of rules.
We see this in Supreme Court nomination hearings.
Even recently, a user here said that if there isn't a conviction, it didn't happen referring to Hunter's laptop and the Biden corruption, but he believes everything bad said about Trump, despite no proof.
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I'm delighted that Biden refused to walk back his comments.
People need to understand that the Russian people have a different concept of how power is both interpreted and wielded. Biden was speaking their language and the handwringing by almost every talking head shows that none of these fucks have even the most basic understanding of the Russian psyche.
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I need proof, no deflecting, I want absolute proof.
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@bi4smooth said in Dems who once decried "loose canon" Trump, now defending Biden "going off script":
Throughout the Trump administration, President Trump would routinely add his own words to speeches - esp at pressers... much to the dismay of his staff, and the delight of his detractors. He had some real doozies in his day (remember when he - off the cuff - seemed to imply that he wanted to use household disinfectants, intravenously, to fight COVID-19?)
Heady days!
Most recently, President Biden remarked that (paraphrasing) Putin cannot remain in power... which is an implication that he's ready to commit to "regime change" in Russia! (That is actually a violation of US Law - for the US to "participate in the overthrow" of a Government, esp if done violently - without the express approval of Congress... like was done for Iraq).
Wrong, he's not calling for regime change with those comments. That's your flawed understanding of his appeal to the Russian people to rise up and stop the madness.
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Do I sound like I care what you want?
Having the understanding I do would require reading, and I'm not talking about Fox, Breitbart, and Turning Points.
Broaden your information sphere and you might start to grasp things a bit better than through the partisan stooge lenses you view every situation.
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Typical liberal.
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*Typical educated and well read person who is unwilling to stoop to your level in the mud.
I will give you a starting point, locate Dugin's book, 'Foundations of Geopolitics' and read it. Then contrast its philosophy to what is going on now, and prepare to be amazed.
It's only when you have insight like this that you could engage on a level approaching mine.
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Ah, you won't stoop to my level, but ASSUME what news outlets I watch/read.
Thanks for trying though.
I do love the fake snobbery of the left.
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It's obvious where you draw your news and views from.
Go and read that book.
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Ok, dearie.
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@bi4smooth said in Dems who once decried "loose canon" Trump, now defending Biden "going off script":
The Dems were all "The President's words matter" at the time...
Now, the President is an even OLDER man: Joe Biden... and one who, while not as often (IMHO: because he's not actively trying to be the headline of every news-cycle!) ALSO has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth!
Going off-script has its perils--that's why people have scripts. At the same time, extemporaneous remarks often give a clearer view of what the person is really thinking, and that's not always good to share in a public setting. But there's a difference between a "Trump moment" and this "Biden moment."
Biden's riff echoed what any sane person in the world world would think: That it's wrong to have a brutal dictator in power who bombs hospitals and kills children.
Trump's more frequent riffs included things like "there were some good people among the white supremacists" and "injecting bleach might cure covid." (For a musical riff on the latter, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPDPzbLFeP4. This is especially useful for those who can't or won't read.)
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@eobox91103 said in Dems who once decried "loose canon" Trump, now defending Biden "going off script":
"there were some good people among the white supremacists"
Please try again.
He said there are good people on both sides of the statue argument. He condemned the neo-nazis.
It reminds me of when Trump was talking about MS13 and the liberal media and the DNC claimed he was talking about ALL brown people.
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@raphjd said in Dems who once decried "loose canon" Trump, now defending Biden "going off script":
Please try again.
Will do...although this will require reading, and confronting facts, which you may find distressing:
Here's a partial transcript of your Dear Leader's comments about the "Unite the Right" march in Charlottesville:
Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name." [emphasis added]
(Trump frequently praised Robert E. Lee as a "very fine general," even though he commanded an army that fought against the United States.)
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Are you saying that a General can't be a "great General" just because we don't like the side they fought on?
Alexander the Great is considered by many as one of, if not the greatest military mind, but he was conquering other nations/peoples.
I don't know enough about General Lee's "military mind" to have a discussion on that, but I think you get my point.
Why does your side get to riot, loot, and murder to get what they but conservatives don't?
The reporter you are quoting is clearly working from the narrative that called it the "summer of love" and "mostly peaceful" while demonizing people who disagreed with it. It's like the Bopsi Twins on CNN saying that protests don't have to be peaceful and only turned against the rioting, looting, and murdering once it affected the polls.
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@raphjd My bad. I thought we could have a rational, fact-based discussion...but that can be threatening to a simplistic world view.
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You can certainly try to "couch" Biden's remarks vis-à-vis "regime change" in Russia - as "harmless" and "misinterpreted" ... all the liberals ARE!
Just the same as when Trump wanted a "bleach infusion" to stop COVID-19, the Trumpites lamented exactly the same thing!
The one thing the Dems (when it was Trump), and the talking heads you now disagree with are agreed upom is:
The words of the President of the United States matter!
I cant find a source, but I'm pretty sure that's a close actual quote from ... candidate Joe Biden ca. 2020!
Biden's off-the-cuff remark may have been intended as a plea to the Russian populace to rid themselves of a tyrant - but it's also perfect fodder for Putin's narrative that the "West" is plotting against the Russian People and that NATO is poised to attack at any moment!
Could Biden have said the same thing WITHOUT providing a "the yanks are coming - after us" soundbite for Putin's propaganda machine? you know it! That's what speechwriters are for!
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@bi4smooth said in Dems who once decried "loose canon" Trump, now defending Biden "going off script":
Could Biden have said the same thing WITHOUT providing a "the yanks are coming - after us" soundbite for Putin's propaganda machine? you know it! That's what speechwriters are for!
This is the take-away point from the overall situation: Presidents (and probably everyone else) need a filter between their own thoughts-of-the-moment and what gets released publicly. Biden shares the view held by most people that Putin should not have the power to do what he's doing. Putin likely feels the same way about Biden, but on the rare occasions that Putin's not behind layers of handlers, he can call upon his decades of experience as a professional liar.
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@eobox91103 said in Dems who once decried "loose canon" Trump, now defending Biden "going off script":
he can call upon his decades of experience as a professional liar
You're talking about Biden, right?
